I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

[woolfe9998]

I am all for killing the filibuster. No longer serves a purpose since its been so over used.
Sure some shit will get over turned or some turds get appointed regardless that’s great. Imagine a 2016 Republican Congress defending why they thought it was a good idea to kill the ACA especially today with Corona treatment.
Regarding Turds getting appointed it has been proven Republicans will appoint turds regardless of the filibuster.

Appointing turds is irrelevant to the argument over ending what remains of the filibuster, because the Senate already ended it for all appointments. Currently it only applies to legislation.

 

[soundforbjt]

Craziest of all is the "this is what Joe Biden's America will be like" in regards to the violence, when in actuality it is already happening in Donald Trump's America. The Dems need to hammer this point home relentlessly. I was glad to hear the Portland mayor finally call out Trump and his '"good people" on this, but it needs to be stressed over and over again. So far Biden seems very focused (rightly) on covid, but he needs to attack Trump just as relentlessly on his spreading of hatred and division.

Edit: it would also be nice to hear some of the Democrats actually saying this *is* a great country, even though we still have systemic unresolved problems that need to be addressed.

They need to get Harris on attacking Trump daily...his massive ego will erupt in tweets that will turn off women suburban voters and women in general.

 

[Jaskalas]

Craziest of all is the "this is what Joe Biden's America will be like" in regards to the violence, when in actuality it is already happening in Donald Trump's America.

Those are Democrat voters rioting, looting, and burning cities. And Democrat Mayors and Governors who do not put a stop to it.
You understand that narrative, right?

That is how Trump claims "law and order" President, as he wants to meet violence with violence. To put an end to it with force. Stopping Riots makes sense to a large number of people.

 

[MrSquished]

Those are Democrat voters rioting, looting, and burning cities. And Democrat Mayors and Governors who do not put a stop to it.
You understand that narrative, right?

That is how Trump claims "law and order" President, as he wants to meet violence with violence. To put an end to it with force. Stopping Riots makes sense to a large number of people.

Anarchists and looters are Democrats by definition? You think anarchists support Joe fucking Biden? That's funny.

Hell, probably a strong contingent of the peaceful but leftist protesters can't even stand Joe Biden. You think looting opportunists that hijack protests give a shit about voting in general, let alone Joe fucking Biden? That's rich.

 

[woolfe9998]

Anarchists and looters are Democrats by definition? You think anarchists support Joe fucking Biden? That's funny.

Hell, probably a strong contingent of the peaceful but leftist protesters can't even stand Joe Biden. You think looting opportunists that hijack protests give a shit about voting in general, let alone Joe fucking Biden? That's rich.

I think it's self-evident that this is correct, or else why are they doing what they're doing. They're hurting Biden's candidacy and quite clearly do not care.

 

[Jhhnn]

Those are Democrat voters rioting, looting, and burning cities. And Democrat Mayors and Governors who do not put a stop to it.
You understand that narrative, right?

That is how Trump claims "law and order" President, as he wants to meet violence with violence. To put an end to it with force. Stopping Riots makes sense to a large number of people.

Do you understand that Trump sending in his supporters in force makes it worse, quite by intention? Shee-it, Sherlock. This shit is straight out of Mussolini's playbook. The worse he can make it the better his fascist pitch looks to his supporters.

Trump unleashes barrage of tweets in response to Portland violence, says ‘big backlash’ to protests ‘cannot be unexpected’

 

[Jaskalas]

Do you understand that Trump sending in his supporters in force makes it worse, quite by intention? Shee-it, Sherlock.

People believed there was a pedo ring under a pizza parlor.
People also believe that if there are riots on the streets, you simply shoot them.

Both happen to be Trump voters.

That taking action to "fix" the problem can make the situation worse, I assure you, that thought never crossed their minds.
And it's not just hardcore Republicans either. Check the polls.

CNN's Lemon warns of Democratic 'blind spot' on 'riots': 'It shows up in the polling'

 

[shortylickens]

People believed there was a pedo ring under a pizza parlor.
People also believe that if there are riots on the streets, you simply shoot them.

Both happen to be Trump voters.

That taking action to "fix" the problem can make the situation worse, I assure you, that thought never crossed their minds.
And it's not just hardcore Republicans either. Check the polls.

CNN's Lemon warns of Democratic 'blind spot' on 'riots': 'It shows up in the polling'

Yeah its sad but attacking your opponent in the dirtiest way possible tends to win elections these days.
The DNC should probably go out of their way to show off dead bodies in hospitals and in the streets. Fear elects more presidents than hope.

 

[Jhhnn]

People believed there was a pedo ring under a pizza parlor.
People also believe that if there are riots on the streets, you simply shoot them.

Both happen to be Trump voters.

That taking action to "fix" the problem can make the situation worse, I assure you, that thought never crossed their minds.
And it's not just hardcore Republicans either. Check the polls.

CNN's Lemon warns of Democratic 'blind spot' on 'riots': 'It shows up in the polling'

*Checks polls* & notes lack of change. Try it yourself-

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It wouldn't be the first time Don Lemon had his head up his ass.

 

[MrSquished]

Yeah its sad but attacking your opponent in the dirtiest way possible tends to win elections these days.
The DNC should probably go out of their way to show off dead bodies in hospitals and in the streets. Fear elects more presidents than hope.

I'm starting to think you are right. Start showing mobile morgues and body bags of Covid victims. Show video of these right wing protesters faces snarled in anger pointing guns at unarmed protesters, up close. Do it.

 

[Jaskalas]

*Checks polls* & notes lack of change. Try it yourself-

It wouldn't be the first time Don Lemon had his head up his ass.

Curious.

The Atlantic: This Is How Biden Loses

NY Post: Wisconsin Democrats say Kenosha riots will help Trump top Biden

Reason.com: Remember When a Democratic Polling Firm Fired the Guy Who Thought Violent Protests Could Backfire Politically?

A pre-Kenosha poll shows support for Black Lives Matter plummeting among white voters in Wisconsin.​

Among the two of us looking for supportive evidence, and there is plenty of it... which reality do you think prevails?

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh, here is the one I remember reading.

2020 election: Kenosha riots sway Wisconsin voters towards Trump after president warns of chaotic America should Biden win election

 

[nickqt]

Oh, here is the one I remember reading.

2020 election: Kenosha riots sway Wisconsin voters towards Trump after president warns of chaotic America should Biden win election

Right-wing agitators are doing their jobs very well.

They thank you for your support.

 

[shortylickens]

I'm starting to think you are right. Start showing mobile morgues and body bags of Covid victims. Show video of these right wing protesters faces snarled in anger pointing guns at unarmed protesters, up close. Do it.

its ugly. but a second trump term is even uglier.
of course we'd have to deal with Fox News pushing the sheep into Civil War II, and I dont know if Joe Biden can solve that problem.
My opinion is we dont have any great leaders these days. Or at least, not running for office.

 

[Jaskalas]

They thank you for your support.

Do you honestly think of yourself as a good person, as you support violence on the streets?
Your choice to tell people you deny them self defense. That you threaten their safety and security. To tell voters you support a mob attacking them. Maybe you get some joy thinking it is for a righteous cause. As you work to re-elect Donald Trump.

Forgive me, if I do not support rioters murdering people on the streets.
No American should. And the voters see that.

 

[nickqt]

Do you honestly think of yourself as a good person, as you support violence on the streets?
Your choice to tell people you deny them self defense. That you threaten their safety and security. To tell voters you support a mob attacking them. Maybe you get some joy thinking it is for a righteous cause. As you work to re-elect Donald Trump.

Forgive me, if I do not support rioters murdering people on the streets.
No American should. And the voters see that.

You've defended a rioter murdering multiple people on the street. The guy who came to riot was the guy with an AR-15 strapped to his chest.

You've also stated that if someone resists arrest that the police are justified in killing that person.

You're the one going to bat to defend right-wing authoritarianism.

You claim that I support violence?

Back that up. It should be pretty easy since you can easily scroll down all of my comments and find just one where I support violence by anyone, against anyone.

I'll wait here.

 

[K1052]

Anarchists and looters are Democrats by definition? You think anarchists support Joe fucking Biden? That's funny.

Hell, probably a strong contingent of the peaceful but leftist protesters can't even stand Joe Biden. You think looting opportunists that hijack protests give a shit about voting in general, let alone Joe fucking Biden? That's rich.

Anarchists and agitators are known for their huge Biden flags lol.

I think there is an argument that fears of this turning the election actually drives the left wing of the party deeper into Biden's arms.

 

[Indus]

Oh, here is the one I remember reading.

2020 election: Kenosha riots sway Wisconsin voters towards Trump after president warns of chaotic America should Biden win election

Read this then

Trump's signal to his followers is clear: Violence and chaos are my only hope

 

[zinfamous]

Do you honestly think of yourself as a good person, as you support violence on the streets?
Your choice to tell people you deny them self defense. That you threaten their safety and security. To tell voters you support a mob attacking them. Maybe you get some joy thinking it is for a righteous cause. As you work to re-elect Donald Trump.

Forgive me, if I do not support rioters murdering people on the streets.
No American should. And the voters see that.

He's not saying that.

He's saying that you agree with the narrative that the rightwing terrorists are there to create: this is BLM violence. We didn't show up here to create it, it's just "natural" that we would be here anyway, to start the violence.

The purpose of their activity is to create violence in order to influence mentally primed bed-wetting whites into blaming everything on the protests, and not the violent terrorists that showed up to commit violence against the protestors.

That also isn't contradicting what your news articles are saying--yes, that is a problem, because your articles and nicktq are pointing out that this is the point. So, "thank you for your support" means "thanks for validating the goals of the rightwing terrorists by shifting blame as they want you to."

All it takes is for responsible adults to be louder than the fascists. Stop telling your friends or reporters or pollsters that you are now concerned that non-violent protestors are suddenly violent because the brown shirts showed up. The brown shirts are violent. They are and should only be the target of any patriotic american's ire. That's the only side of this story. The only side.

 

[K1052]

Anarchists and agitators are known for their huge Biden flags lol.

I think there is an argument that fears of this turning the election actually drives the left wing of the party deeper into Biden's arms.

Yes, please somebody introduce me to the Stein-Trump voter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1300421233188769798

 

[Paratus]

According to 538 of the swing states that put Joe currently over the line to win (if the election was held today) polls show his % chance of winning each state:

• AZ 53-47
• Nebraska’s 2nd 56-44
• FL 61-39
• PA 68-32

These are the ones to watch closely as they put Joe over 270 (B315 to T223)

The closest swing state Joe is currently losing is NC at 46-54

 

[K1052]

According to 538 of the swing states that put Joe currently over the line to win (if the election was held today) polls show his % chance of winning each state:

• AZ 53-47
• Nebraska’s 2nd 56-44
• FL 61-39
• PA 68-32

These are the ones to watch closely as they put Joe over 270 (B315 to T223)

The closest swing state Joe is currently losing is NC at 46-54

A lot of the state level polling is unfortunately stale at this point but it was expected not to be refreshed until after both conventions had passed and any bumps mostly worn off.

Trafalgar polls should be basically thrown in the trash no matter what they say. They just released a poll where Biden is outperforming Clinton in MO by 10 points unless anybody thinks I'm biased. They aren't a good outfit.

 

[NostaSeronx]

I think there is an argument that fears of this turning the election actually drives the left wing of the party deeper into Biden's arms.

The left should be abandoning the dems for the greens. The right will be abandoning the repubs for the libertarians.

Both major party candidates are neoliberals.
Where Trump can tick off a scoreboard of being a fascist. Biden equally can tick off a scoreboard of being a protofascist.

This is where the minor parties that got >1% of the vote in 2016 will come in. In which, they will save America from leaning further to American Nazism. Where both Dem/Repub candidates are both promoting in their slogan and messaging. Make America Great Again = Build Back Better.

 

[fskimospy]

The left should be abandoning the dems for the greens. The right will be abandoning the repubs for the libertarians.

Both major party candidates are neoliberals.
Where Trump can tick off a scoreboard of being a fascist. Biden equally can tick off a scoreboard of being a protofascist.

This is where the minor parties that got >1% of the vote in 2016 will come in. In which, they will save America from leaning further to American Nazism. Where both Dem/Repub candidates are both promoting in their slogan and messaging. Make America Great Again = Build Back Better.

The main problem with the left going to the greens and the right going to the libertarians is that most voters don’t agree with those parties.

For example the median Democratic voter is probably something like a moderately socially conservative black guy who wants an improved social safety net but also to hire more police. Why would the Green Party be more appealing to them?

 

[NostaSeronx]

For example the median Democratic voter is probably something like a moderately socially conservative black guy who wants an improved social safety net but also to hire more police. Why would the Green Party be more appealing to them?

They aren't going to get an improved social safety net. The democrats aren't socialists nor are they going to fix the problems in which why more Police is required.

Greens and Libertarians both act on the problems themselves, while the New Democrats/Tea Republicans kick it off till 10 years from now, then 10 years from now, then 10 years from now, then 10 years from now, ad infinitum.

It is a get smart or get screwed moment for America.