19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[EagleKeeper]

Here is a good write up on it.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/i...wner_charged_in_killing_o.html#incart_m-rpt-2

He awoke to someone banging on the front door. According to the prosecutor he opened the front door and shot the girl through the screen door, which was locked. This wasn't an accident.............................

Unless the homeowner stated the screen door was locked; how would the prosecutor know.

In order to leave the house via the front door; the screen door would have to be unlocked. Unless the police report states that the shooter never left the house and the door was locked when the police arrived.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Here is a good write up on it.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/i...wner_charged_in_killing_o.html#incart_m-rpt-2

He awoke to someone banging on the front door. According to the prosecutor he opened the front door and shot the girl through the screen door, which was locked. This wasn't an accident.............................

Let's see what the homeowner told the police, if he didn't confess to such then it's what the prosecution is basing their case on.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

This site shows pics of the house/door which look to me like an intact (not shot up) storm door, not a screen door and a solid front door, and it even says "However, the door to the home is solid, with no window, and a clear glass outer door. Both remain intact..."

Who knows which it is? Screen, storm? Intact or not? Not me.

It's not that difficult to push out the screen in that type of screen door. I would not be surprised if the defense brings this up in their side of the case.

 

[Geosurface]

Here's a thought...

What if he goes to the door to see who it is and what they want, but he brings the shotgun in case it's someone who means him harm. Then, he realizes he needs to open the door to see who they are... but he doesn't want to lower the shotgun. So he tries to open the door (or both doors?) while still holding the gun and pointing it toward the door... which forces him to hold up the shotgun with only one arm, in order to free the other one to manipulate door knobs and swing doors aside...

Is it possible he shot the gun because, while not even fully awake yet, he asked too much of his two hands... the proverbial chew bubble gum and pat yourself on the top of the head at the same time?

Is it possible he confused his finger muscles and really did accidentally pull the trigger? Maybe even pulling back on the trigger as an instinctive reaction to the gun starting to move forward? It can't be easy to hold up a shotgun with only one hand for any period of time... and your natural reaction to something in your hand slipping is to pull back, try to move it back to how you had it... counteract the force of gravity, etc.

It's a possibility this is how the trigger got pulled.

 

[spidey07]

What likely happened.

She's banging on door. Home owner opens his main door leaving the screen door between him and the home invader. She then bangs on the screen door demanding to be let in, this constitutes attempting to enter illegally as the screen door could easily be broken through by home invader's banging.

Boom head shot, lawfully a good shoot.

Don't go banging on peoples doors at 3 in the morning. Remember she was drunk as a skunk and high to boot, not likely acting rationally or coherently.

 

[nehalem256]

He awoke to someone banging on the front door. According to the prosecutor he opened the front door and shot the girl through the screen door, which was locked. This wasn't an accident.............................

Actually that sounds an awful lot like an accident.

He wakes up to hear banging on his door. He opens the main wooden door with one hand while hold his shotgun with the other. And in the midst of balancing opening the door with holding his shotgun one-handed accidentally fire his shot gun through the closed screen door.

 

[SheHateMe]

Theodore Paul Wafer will be charged.

No signs of forced entry
Screen door was locked
Fail.

"We do not believe he acted in lawful self defense,"

Evidence suggested that she knocked on Wafer's locked screen door and that he opened his front door and was inside the house when he fired a shot through the open door, but a still closed and locked screen door, the prosecutor said.

There was no evidence of forced entry to the home, Worthy said.

The prosecutor said that in Michigan someone who claims lawful self defense must have "honest and reasonable belief of imminent death or imminent great bodily harm" to themselves or another person and that the use of force must be necessary to prevent that.

In the audio of 9-1-1 sending police officers to the scene of McBride's shooting, the dispatcher reportedly described receiving a call from a man who said he shot someone on his porch and then hung up.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/renisha-mcbrides-alleged-shooter-charged-murder/story?id=20899735


Also, lol at Nehalem still trolling this thread. My God. Now Spidey is here, too. I missed a lot in the past two days.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'm still going to wait until I see all the evidence before I decide whether or not this man should be convicted.

At this point he's still innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Also, lol at Nehalem still trolling this thread. My God. Now Spidey is here, too. I missed a lot in the past two days.

How is your call out any different than their "trolling'?

 

[SheHateMe]

Evidence suggested that she knocked on Wafer's locked screen door and that he opened his front door and was inside the house when he fired a shot through the open door, but a still closed and locked screen door, the prosecutor said.

Keep waiting

How is your call out any different than their "trolling'?

Its trolling to call out people in the thread? Oh my!

 

[Aegeon]

What likely happened.

She's banging on door. Home owner opens his main door leaving the screen door between him and the home invader. She then bangs on the screen door demanding to be let in, this constitutes attempting to enter illegally as the screen door could easily be broken through by home invader's banging.

Boom head shot, lawfully a good shoot.

Don't go banging on peoples doors at 3 in the morning. Remember she was drunk as a skunk and high to boot, not likely acting rationally or coherently.

I think you have established you support murder if someone happens to worry you.

If the screen door was not even damaged, that means it still doesn't count as unlawful entry and he had the ability to close the door again and lock it. (If the person is about to successfully break through the door the situation probably would be different, but that did not happen here.) Based on what we know of his current testimony, he is not even claiming to have attempted to warn the victim off one more time before firing the weapon.

Contrary to your belief, someone banging on your door at 3:00 AM does not mean you can shoot them, and there are actually a various situations where someone would clearly be indisputably justified in doing so. (I.E. what if hypothetically she was banging on the door after being just violently raped on the street and had been seriously injured with her cell phone taken or escaping from a neighbor who had held her in captivity for an extended period?)

It should also be noted that the evidence appears to clearly show he made no effort to call 911 until after shooting the victim, which is what he should have done if he was really worried about his safety in that situation. (He could have been waiting with his gun if necessary, but if you are that likely to shoot when you still have an intact locked screen door in the way you should not confront the banger other than verbally directly until the cops arrive unless the situation escalates.)

 

[Dari]

Soon, people here will be saying Wafer was the real victim...

 

[SheHateMe]

Soon, people here will be saying Wafer was the real victim...

Well, several people have already said that Renisha DESERVED to die. I'd say that most of those people already think Wafer was the real victim.


If someone told them that they deserved to die, they'd hit that report button so fast.

 

[Geosurface]

Soon, people here will be saying Wafer was the real victim...

Well, in a way his life is completely ruined because she decided to drive underage, outrageously drunk, and then flee the scene of the accident to avoid accountability for it.

At least in a meta, roundabout sort of way.

EDIT:

But I should make it clear, I don't think it's remotely permissible to shoot someone simply because they're drunk, and knocking on your door at any hour.

My sympathy for him is largely contingent on her having done something aggressive and threatening at the door. If that didn't happen, my sympathy drops to almost nothing for him... with a little nugget still remaining due to my disgust with drunk drivers.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

We could also see after the jury has been presented the "evidence" they decide to acquit the homeowner on all charges as well.

 

[SheHateMe]

Well, in a way his life is completely ruined because she decided to drive underage, outrageously drunk, and then flee the scene of the accident to avoid accountability for it.

At least in a meta, roundabout sort of way.

So that's it? The Universe only works in one direction? She made him do it?

The ultimate twisting of fates, I suppose.

 

[Geosurface]

So that's it? The Universe only works in one direction? She made him do it?

The ultimate twisting of fates, I suppose.

She didn't make him do it. And he has no right to blast someone in the face with a shotgun who is merely seeking help, drunk or not.

But it's hard not to feel bad on some level for some guy who, if not for her drunk driving and accident scene fleeing, would have slept peacefully til the morning and gone on with his life.

 

[SheHateMe]

But it's hard not to feel bad on some level for some guy who, if not for her drunk driving and accident scene fleeing, would have slept peacefully til the morning and gone on with his life.

Perhaps, but the world works in mysterious ways. Who knows, he could have shot someone else in her place. The Universe bought these two together for some reason.

I mean....if we REALLY want to talk about fate. Some of you suggested that Renisha had it coming (ie, she deserved to die)...but how do you know Theodore didn't have this coming as well?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well, several people have already said that Renisha DESERVED to die. I'd say that most of those people already think Wafer was the real victim.


If someone told them that they deserved to die, they'd hit that report button so fast.

It's pretty sickening to know that too. Renisha deserved to die, that's just horseshit.
"It was a good shoot" What kind of pathetic, sick, weak-minded sociopath even contemplates that thought, let alone has the temerity to voice it aloud?

 

[SheHateMe]

"It was a good shoot" What kind of pathetic, sick, weak-minded sociopath even contemplates that thought, let alone has the temerity to voice it aloud?

Don't forget the proverbial "Get dead".

Just be glad you only have to encounter these people on the internet. That's all I have to say.

 

[Geosurface]

Perhaps, but the world works in mysterious ways. Who knows, he could have shot someone else in her place. The Universe bought these two together for some reason.

I mean....if we REALLY want to talk about fate. Some of you suggested that Renisha had it coming (ie, she deserved to die)...but how do you know Theodore didn't have this coming as well?

Well I don't believe in fate. I'm a denier of all supernatural notions.

I'll also point out that my ability to sympathize with him increased in proportion to my ability to sympathize with her decreasing.

I had a lot more sympathy for her back when I thought she had an accident while sober, and merely started knocking on the doors of houses nearby for help, and got shot for no reason.

When you start to realize that she was drunk off her ass, and had a track record of DUI (seemingly) and that she HAD help (twice) at the scene of the wreck itself, but ran off... and personally, I consider it almost unquestionable that at least part of why she left the scene was that she didn't want help if that help came with strings attached like, y'know, a breathalyzer.

I think she had just enough coherence and self-preservation instinct left to her to realize that if she came into contact with police, she was boned.

I think her repeating "I just want to go home" was a naive, drunken attempt to get neighbors to take her home and not summon the authorities.

She has become a considerably less sympathetic figure due to the info that has come out.

 

[nehalem256]

I mean....if we REALLY want to talk about fate. Some of you suggested that Renisha had it coming (ie, she deserved to die)...but how do you know Theodore didn't have this coming as well?

Lets see Theodore was sleeping peacefully in his bed.

Renisha was out driving drunk(which given the door of cars she trashed she had likely done before), crashing into cars, fleeing the scene of an accident...

 

[bshole]

Perhaps, but the world works in mysterious ways. Who knows, he could have shot someone else in her place. The Universe bought these two together for some reason.

I mean....if we REALLY want to talk about fate. Some of you suggested that Renisha had it coming (ie, she deserved to die)...but how do you know Theodore didn't have this coming as well?

I think we can all agree that is a tragedy for both families.

On a related note, I am willing to bet the bank that he is aquitted if he gets an all-white jury and convicted if he gets an all-black jury. What does that say about our justice system?

 

[Geosurface]

I am willing to bet the bank that he is aquitted if he gets an all-white jury and convicted if he gets an all-black jury. What does that say about our justice system?

That multicultural societies are fundamentally flawed and don't work?

 

[nehalem256]

I think we can all agree that is a tragedy for both families.

On a related note, I am willing to bet the bank that he is aquitted if he gets an all-white jury and convicted if he gets an all-black jury. What does that say about our justice system?

Wasn't Zimmerman acquitted by an all non-white jury?