Union Goons Beat People At St Louis Townhall

[Patranus]

Here is a closeup of the back of a shirt. What exactly does it say on the top of the logo on the back of the shirt?

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_jNYRNQk8...Y/s800/Picture%201.png

I am having trouble making it out.

It looks like SEIU...

But that cant be?!?!?!?

 

[alchemize]

I love how it's only been 8 months since Bush and the leftie-neocons like senseamp and heyheydouchebag are showing their true colors.

Push for Iraq war = versus push for mystical healthcare reform, different sides of the same coin. Of course, if the dems weren't such pussies folding, nay actively supporting, the Iraq war, the last time around we could probably afford UHC!

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: HomerJS
The only douches around here perpetuate intellectual dishonesty

Here the spin. The was no violence at any of these town halls until Pres Obama ordered union members in to beat people up.

Obviously the OP and other posters have been ignoring clips from various town halls over the last 2 weeks.

Hey, at least the poor unemployed folks got paid to get beat up and do some beating.

Better than flipping burgers

Most of the people there were stopping by the town hall meeting after work. Most were still in uniform or business related attire.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, so those who are happy with their plan can keep it. But we need a public option to address the problem with uninsured, and take cases where insurance companies don't want to provide coverage due to preexisting conditions and such.
I don't see why it matters if we pay for their care through taxes or through high healthcare premiums like we do now to cover unpaid hospital bills. I'd rather pay taxes to pay for preventative care than pay high premiums for ER care.

Problem is that the private sector CANNOT compete with a public option. It is simply not possible. The government makes the rules and skews the rules to help it s government backed companies (see GM tax breaks on losses).

Secondly, the government can simple PRINT MONEY to subsidize costs or just raise taxes on those with private insurance.

Post office does compete with UPS and USPS and DHL etc.

OK, I might be missing something here, but I'd like for you to carefully reread the bolded sentence you wrote and tell me what you missed.

I meant Fedex instead of USPS

 

[lokiju]

Damn this is an entertaining thread

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, so those who are happy with their plan can keep it. But we need a public option to address the problem with uninsured, and take cases where insurance companies don't want to provide coverage due to preexisting conditions and such.
I don't see why it matters if we pay for their care through taxes or through high healthcare premiums like we do now to cover unpaid hospital bills. I'd rather pay taxes to pay for preventative care than pay high premiums for ER care.

Problem is that the private sector CANNOT compete with a public option. It is simply not possible. The government makes the rules and skews the rules to help it s government backed companies (see GM tax breaks on losses).

Secondly, the government can simple PRINT MONEY to subsidize costs or just raise taxes on those with private insurance.

Post office does compete with UPS and USPS and DHL etc.
Also, Ford is competing with GM just fine, as is pretty much every other automaker.
I don't think it's right to leave people with no health coverage just to avoid government competing with private insurers.

No it doesn't only USPS are ALLOWED to delivery letters to POST BOX.

Well, if you leave out that whole pesky packages part of the equation. Sure, then it fits your agenda.

UPS/FedEx do fine in that dept.

USPS - letters, packages

UPS - packages

Fedex - packages

DHS- packages

USPS is the only entity in US that are allowed to delivery letters and they are losing money in it.

But there is healthy competition in package delivery, even with a government player involved.
I don't think the point of public option is to make a profit off the uninsured. Clearly if those people with expensive preexisting conditions could be tapped for profit, the private sector would be covering them already.

 

[Pens1566]

Quit bringing up the package delivery thing, it kills their point.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Hmm, next we will see an organized defense force on US soil to ensure Obama's wishes are met.

this is what "he" needs to institute martial law, even though he instigated it.

White House aides David Axelrod and Jim Messina traveled to the Capitol for their presentation to Democratic senators. Senators saw videos of disruptions at events held by House members, and were told to organize their events more carefully as well as work with labor unions and other friendly groups to generate enthusiasm. They also were urged to use these events to stress insurance reforms such as a limit on out-of-pocket expenses for those covered by insurance, a ban on coverage cancellation for the seriously ill and protections for small businesses. Messina, the deputy White House chief of staff, also said any advertising attack would be met with a bigger response, these officials said. "If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard," Messina told senators, according to two people in the room. "It's a challenge, no question about it, and you've got to get out there and make the case," Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., said afterward. "This is not the time for the faint-hearted."

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
Well, there are crazies on both sides(Like those Obama Plantation activist) I guess, but violence like this should be put down. Why hasn't Obama gone on public TV and condemn any violence used by the Unions? Everyone and their mother knows he likes being on TV so I am surprised right now.

For the same reason you make nos ense when you post....

I believe you meant to say no sense, not nos ense as that wouldnt make sense.

Also, please point out how I make no sense? Barrack supports unions, and 4 union members beat on an innocent guy at a public place?

Did Obama not get all upset when his friend of that college got arrested? Why can't he at least have the common courtesy to tell the Union to stop using tactics that involve fear and violence?


You sir, make no sense.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Xellos2099

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: senseamp
Yeah, so those who are happy with their plan can keep it. But we need a public option to address the problem with uninsured, and take cases where insurance companies don't want to provide coverage due to preexisting conditions and such.
I don't see why it matters if we pay for their care through taxes or through high healthcare premiums like we do now to cover unpaid hospital bills. I'd rather pay taxes to pay for preventative care than pay high premiums for ER care.

Problem is that the private sector CANNOT compete with a public option. It is simply not possible. The government makes the rules and skews the rules to help it s government backed companies (see GM tax breaks on losses).

Secondly, the government can simple PRINT MONEY to subsidize costs or just raise taxes on those with private insurance.

Post office does compete with UPS and USPS and DHL etc.
Also, Ford is competing with GM just fine, as is pretty much every other automaker.
I don't think it's right to leave people with no health coverage just to avoid government competing with private insurers.

No it doesn't only USPS are ALLOWED to delivery letters to POST BOX.

Well, if you leave out that whole pesky packages part of the equation. Sure, then it fits your agenda.

UPS/FedEx do fine in that dept.

USPS - letters, packages

UPS - packages

Fedex - packages

DHS- packages

USPS is the only entity in US that are allowed to delivery letters and they are losing money in it.

But there is healthy competition in package delivery, even with a government player involved.
I don't think the point of public option is to make a profit off the uninsured. Clearly if those people with expensive preexisting conditions could be tapped for profit, the private sector would be covering them already.

This was gone through in another thread, one by techs, and quite thoroughly. USPS has FedEx dealing with its overnight packages, because it can't compete.

 

[jpeyton]

It's about time we got militant about this.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's about time we got militant about this.

I'm game if you are. What's the next town hall you plan on attending?

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's about time we got militant about this.

Yes.
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Nugent/Palin 2012

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
I read the article by the St. Louis Post Dispatch and nowhere in the article did it say Mr. Gladney was attacked by union members. The only people spreading that rumors are kooks on conservative web sites and blogs.

BTW - I've noticed other then this guy KG and the ones who attacked him, there has been an obvious lack of a minority presence at these town halls that are rife with shouting, disruptions and threats. I know the GOP and Fox are trying to label these people as part of random grass roots movement. Looking at the crowds it appears a segment of the population is being recruited by organized right wing groups.

Looks like the same people at the McCain/Palin rallys.

Sorry, the left groups already rounded up as many blacks as the could to support Obama.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
I read the article by the St. Louis Post Dispatch and nowhere in the article did it say Mr. Gladney was attacked by union members. The only people spreading that rumors are kooks on conservative web sites and blogs.

See my post at the top of the page.

 

[PJABBER]

Obama: I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking

Why don't you all just shut up and let me be your Leader?

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking." August 07, 2009

Unbelievable.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Obama: I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking

Why don't you all just shut up and let me be your Leader?

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking." August 07, 2009

Unbelievable.

you know if he acted the way he does not before the election there is no way in hell he would have won. we would have Clinton in office instead.

 

[Andrew1990]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Obama: I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking

Why don't you all just shut up and let me be your Leader?

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking." August 07, 2009

Unbelievable.

Isnt that how dictatorships start? Basically telling the other political parties to shut the fu*k up and listen to me?

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Obama: I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking

Why don't you all just shut up and let me be your Leader?

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking." August 07, 2009

Unbelievable.

you know if he acted the way he does not before the election there is no way in hell he would have won. we would have Clinton in office instead.

I Am Sick And Tired - Hillary Clinton

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Obama: I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking

Why don't you all just shut up and let me be your Leader?

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking." August 07, 2009

Unbelievable.

i think he means the dems in congress now...

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Obama: I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking

Why don't you all just shut up and let me be your Leader?

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking." August 07, 2009

Unbelievable.

you know if he acted the way he does not before the election there is no way in hell he would have won. we would have Clinton in office instead.

I Am Sick And Tired - Hillary Clinton

we knew exactly what we would get with hillary. there would have been no suprises.

With Obama he is not the man everyone thought he was BEFORE the election. he said he would do one thing and is doing another.

 

[boomerang]

The Democratic party is self-destructing from within far faster than I could ever have imagined it. When the party has to resort to violence, you know that the end is near.

The very same tactics the radical left employed in this country for decades are now unfair and unjust when used against them. Tactics that were developed to get the far right to listen to them - to listen and understand that they were not going away - that they were demanding that they be heard. Good then, bad now.

It's nothing more than pure desperation at this point. A last gasp attempt at keeping control. Instead of leading, Obama is inciting violence. His true colors are being shown for all to see. When his back is against the wall, he turns into an organizer's version of a street fighter. Incite the followers to hit harder. He's nothing more than a thug.

He's got us at a crossroads right now. He can call off the dogs and attempt to bring the country together as one, or he can continue on this path and further divide us. His background won't allow him to give up. His words today confirmed it.

So the path is clear. He'll be known as the man that single handedly destroyed the Democratic party.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: FerrelGeek

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Pens1566

You do realize that "death counseling" is just providing ability to create living wills, right?

And most likely information on health care power-of-attorneys ...

Nothing wrong with either of these items as they are something that we should all be aware of. The point that people are concerned about is that death counseling may alos mean 'sorry, you're too old and too expensive to maintain. We're going to stop your treatment and give you some pills...' I'm not saying that this is part of the current bill, but I can see a day when this could be seen as an acceptable cost control measure. I don't trust our government (don't care who's running it) to manage this.

So, you're against this effort because of a piece of it that you happen to agree with is being misrepresented by the right into something ridiculous that no one could possibly be in favor of?? Got it.

Summation for the simple - I have no problem with living wills or setting up power of attorney; these are wise things to set up at any age, not just for the old. I do not like giving any entity the potential power to tell the elderly that they're not worth keeping alive and to (figuratively speaking) go home and die. I don't like 'the right to die' transforming into 'the duty to die'.

 

[Googer]

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[bozack]

I love it how the MSM and others always raise the "well dressed" protester issue....like shopping at brooks brothers makes you a corporate stooge vs the vagrant looking "normal" protesters.

not really surprised the obama army is strongarming people, anything to get their agenda in place is fair game it seems.