UK: Retired widow could face 5 years of prison after man broke into her house...

[D-Man]

I'm fine with that, the difference is they won't be coming for it, I'll be handing it in.

I am very sorry for your country what else have your citizens willingly gave up? I will not be handing my rights in and I refuse to give away my liberty. You are a sheep waiting to be thrown to the ground to be sheered. The sad part is your country are ours are supposed allies our men with guns and planes died to help protect your freedoms and you are giving them away. Soon you will be France

 

[HAL9000]

I am very sorry for your country what else have your citizens willingly gave up?

Generally just things that are designed exclusively to kill.

I will not be handing my rights in and I refuse to give away my liberty.

In the UK owning a gun is not a right, nor should it be.

You are a sheep waiting to be thrown to the ground to be sheered. The sad part is your country are ours are supposed allies our men with guns and planes died to help protect your freedoms and you are giving them away. Soon you will be France

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[nobodyknows]

Generally just things that are designed exclusively to kill.



In the UK owning a gun is not a right, nor should it be.

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http://www.shootr.co.uk/started/cert.html

Every British resident has the right to own a shotgun, but must first to get a certificate to do so. Provided you don't have a criminal record, and are free from mental illness, you should have no dramas with your application.

 

[HAL9000]

http://www.shootr.co.uk/started/cert.html

Ahh shootr.co.uk that unquestionable source for british legal facts.

 

[nobodyknows]

Ahh shootr.co.uk that unquestionable source for british legal facts.

LOL, so says who? You? As if your unquestionable. You are now officailly trolling.

Attack the info, not the source.

 

[HAL9000]

LOL, so says who? You? As if your unquestionable. You are now officailly trolling.

Attack the info, not the source.

OK the info is "Every British resident has the right to own a shotgun, but must first to get a certificate to do so. Provided you don't have a criminal record, and are free from mental illness, you should have no dramas with your application."

I disagree, some british subjects are legally allowed to own a shotgun if they get through the vetting process, it's not some god given right that everyone has.

 

[nobodyknows]

OK the info is "Every British resident has the right to own a shotgun, but must first to get a certificate to do so. Provided you don't have a criminal record, and are free from mental illness, you should have no dramas with your application."

I disagree, some british subjects are legally allowed to own a shotgun if they get through the vetting process, it's not some god given right that everyone has.

I realize you have laws, and every license has to be appoved by the local police, but is this info wrong?

Shotguns (Section 2 Firearms under the 1968 Act as amended) are defined in UK law as smoothbore firearms with barrels not shorter than 24 inches (60 cm) and a bore not larger than 2 inches (5 cm) in diameter, no revolving cylinder, and either no magazine or a non-detachable magazine that is not capable of holding more than two cartridges.[8] This effectively gives a maximum three round overall capacity, while shotguns with a capacity exceeding 2+1 rounds are subject to a firearm certificate. Shotguns thus defined are subject to a slightly less rigorous certification process, in theory a UK citizen has a right to own a shotgun, and the Police must prove the person is not suitable to hold a shotgun certificate.[9] On being granted a certificate the holder may own as many shotguns as he or she can securely store, they are legally obliged to inform the Police of each shotgun they have acquired, and are required to renew the certificate every 5 years.

Of course over here we are "citizens" and over there you are "subjects".

 

[HAL9000]

I realize you have laws, and every license has to be appoved by the local police, but is this info wrong?



Of course over here we are "citizens" and over there you are "subjects".

Hey if that's the law, that's the law, that's fine. I'm happy to be wrong. That being said give it time and that wont be a right over here any more.

We are subjects not citizens

 

[irishScott]

Let me rephrase this for you, simply so you will understand it. You know nothing about me, or psychology, so until you get back to me with a scan of your psychology degree, or it turns out you are someone who knows me really well, fuck off. Also being bipolar has no baring on my views.



Let me rephrase this for you, simply so you will understand it. You know nothing about me, or psychology, so until you get back to me with a scan of your psychology degree, or it turns out you are someone who knows me really well, fuck off. Also being bipolar has no baring on my views.



I've never said that's why I'm here.

The reason this subject pisses me off so much is that people who use a persons health or sexual orientation as an argument against someone's beliefs are the lowest form of moron on this forum. You have just made that list. Congrats.

I know what you've blatantly posted, which is a lot, and I have common sense. That's all I'm using, sorry if you don't like the conclusions. Unless you were lying in all those threads where you described your conditions in detail. I don't need to have a psychology degree to understand your descriptions and repeat them back to you, even if you don't remember posting them.

Maybe not, but you've admitted you don't care about your integrity on this forum. Why should we care about anything you have to say if that is the case?

And you might as well call me a moron for saying a paraplegic can't run a marathon because he has no legs. Sorry if you're in denial about the effects of your conditions. Having had no other context to compare to that's perfectly understandable.

And just because you've opened the door so wide for me: How do we know that your bipolarism isn't affecting your posts? We have no way of knowing if you're the in the middle of an extreme mood swing or not aside from your word, and you've just admitted that you don't care about the integrity of your word. So what assurance do we have that you're not just here for shits and giggles at our expense (aka trolling)? This should be good.

 

[nobodyknows]

Hey if that's the law, that's the law, that's fine. I'm happy to be wrong. That being said give it time and that wont be a right over here any more.

We are subjects not citizens

Perhaps you should spend some time learning your own laws before telling us how to make ours.

 

[HAL9000]

Perhaps you should spend some time learning your own laws before telling us how to make ours.

Nope, I'm pretty content. I'm not hugely interested in legality, I'm far more interested in morality.

 

[HAL9000]

bipolarism

It's bipolarity, not bipolarism, which you would know if you knew anything about bipolar disorder.

 

[guyver01]

I have no diagnosed health problems

diagnosed by who? by you?
IIRC, you stated YOU self-diagnosed your own issues and conferred with a doctor whether you were right or not. The vaunted Free British Healthcare. Self-diagnose yourself, and then check if you're correct..

 

[HAL9000]

diagnosed by who? by you?
IIRC, you stated YOU self-diagnosed your own issues and conferred with a doctor whether you were right or not. The vaunted Free British Healthcare. Self-diagnose yourself, and then check if you're correct..

I have no diagnosed health problems that give you the right to disregard my beliefs.

You missed out the important bit.

 

[guyver01]

You missed out the important bit.

but if that's the case... then your DIAGNOSED bipolar disorder DOES QUALIFY..

Bipolar Disorder can include the following symptoms
Poor judgment
Reckless behavior and lack of self control

All of your "troll threads" and "trolling comments" are a sure sign of Poor Judgement and Lack of Self Control.

 

[HAL9000]

but if that's the case... then your DIAGNOSED bipolar disorder DOES QUALIFY..




All of your "troll threads" and "trolling comments" are a sure sign of Poor Judgement and Lack of Self Control.

Great, in a manic phase that's absolutely a potential symptom, but it's not a symptom every mood I'm in.

This thread isn't about this, if you want to discuss my health PM me.

 

[Zargon]

I don't know of anyone who stores their weapons loaded though. That would just be stupid and you can't easily fix stupid.

my home defense firearm is pretty useless empty

 

[nobodyknows]

my home defense firearm is pretty useless empty

If you have kids around you should put a trigger lock on it... IMO.

 

[irishScott]

It's bipolarity, not bipolarism, which you would know if you knew anything about bipolar disorder.

I never claimed to be an expert. And bipolarism sounds cooler. I'll take some pride in driving you into semantics though.

 

[irishScott]

If you have kids around you should put a trigger lock on it... IMO.

Or keep it in a lock box. They make some fancy biometric ones now that literally open at the touch of a finger or hand, so no fumbling with locks or combinations. Expensive, but would be worth the peace of mind if I had kids IMO.

 

[Zargon]

If you have kids around you should put a trigger lock on it... IMO.

yup. I have 2 trigger locks, but no kids, when my brother visited I locked the trigger and moved the mags into a drawer they couldnt reach

I would like a biometric for when I have kids, much quicker to open in case of bumps in the night

 

[Jaskalas]

Anyone thinking this woman belongs in prison should be evicted from planet earth. The abuse of human rights is incredibly thick and intolerable.

 

[HAL9000]

Anyone thinking this woman belongs in prison should be evicted from planet earth. The abuse of human rights is incredibly thick and intolerable.

How is someone being arrested for owning an illegal firearm an abuse of human rights?!

 

[Siddhartha]

Good. that's what you get for being a criminal.

Most of the posters, at least on the first couples of pages, assume that gun ownership is an universal right. It is not.

I grew up in the US and support the US Constitution so I support gun ownership and would not consider taking anyone's guns away. But considering the social and economic costs of guns I would not have trouble living in a country where private gun ownership was not legal.

 

[HAL9000]

Most of the posters, at least on the first couples of pages, assume that gun ownership is an universal right. It is not.

I grew up in the US and support the US Constitution so I support gun ownership and would not consider taking anyone's guns away. But considering the social and economic costs of guns I would not have trouble living in a country where private gun ownership was not legal.

Well fair enough, but the fact is that gun ownership is not a fundamental human right, many people in the UK (myself included) pride themselves on the fact that we don't have private gun ownership in the UK, so enforcing that isn't depriving anyone of their rights, it's just enforcing the system we have put in place.