UK: Retired widow could face 5 years of prison after man broke into her house...

[HAL9000]

LOL the UK should make rape legal.

What?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Good. that's what you get for being a criminal.

Don't you own a gun?

Edit: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31672089&postcount=15 You do!

Quick... someone call Scotland Yard!

 

[schneiderguy]

Error! Does not correlate, right to defend != right to own guns.

Saying you have the right to defend yourself but not the right to own guns is like saying you have the right to free speech but not the right to criticize the government.

 

[nonlnear]

I'm not going to argue with you about US politics, I don't give a shit what Obama did recently, you know what I mean when I say right to life.

I know what you mean, but you apparently do not. You are talking about rights as a legal construct. I am demonstrating that rights as legal constructs are meaningless under any standard of scrutiny worth having. If you believe that rights are bestowed by governments, then it is only fair to look at the actions of said governments to see what those "rights" really are.

 

[irishScott]

Saying you have the right to defend yourself but not the right to own guns is like saying you have the right to free speech but not the right to criticize the government.

More like the right to breath but not the right to adequate concentrations of oxygen.

 

[HAL9000]

Don't you own a gun?

Edit: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31672089&postcount=15 You do!

Quick... someone call Scotland Yard!

I do!

Saying you have the right to defend yourself but not the right to own guns is like saying you have the right to free speech but not the right to criticize the government.

No it isn't, the right to criticise the government is a necessary part of free speech.
Owning a gun is not a necessary part of defending yourself.

 

[HAL9000]

I know what you mean, but you apparently do not. You are talking about rights as a legal construct. I am demonstrating that rights as legal constructs are meaningless under any standard of scrutiny worth having. If you believe that rights are bestowed by governments, then it is only fair to look at the actions of said governments to see what those "rights" really are.

Fair enough.

 

[guyver01]

Owning a gun is not a necessary part of defending yourself.

:hmm:

apparently everyone in Britain is a ninja.

:ninja:

 

[HAL9000]

:hmm:

apparently everyone in Britain is a ninja.

:ninja:

Confirmed.

 

[Fear No Evil]

I'm pretty content with the difference between:

Applying for a shot gun license
Having a police background check
Receiving a license
Having the police come round the house to check how the weapon is to be stored, Checking who owns a key
Having a disassembled shotgun with no ammunition stored in a secure box that has been checked by the police
Police re-check every year or so

vs

Old woman has a pistol in a box.

Do the police check to see if your computer has any illegal mp3's or software on it while they are there?

 

[HAL9000]

Do the police check to see if your computer has any illegal mp3's or software on it while they are there?

No they do not, what does that have to do with gun ownership?

 

[guyver01]

Confirmed.

then someone should let this guy know, that's not a Katana in his hand..

Since a gun isn't necessary to defend yourself...

 

[HAL9000]

then someone should let this guy know, that's not a Katana in his hand..

Since a gun isn't necessary to defend yourself...

OK.

 

[schneiderguy]

Owning a gun is not a necessary part of defending yourself.

Against someone who is armed it is.

 

[HAL9000]

Against someone who is armed it is.

Which is why we banned guns for everyone, not just some, it's rare that someone gets shot over here now, and so it is rare that I would need a gun.

 

[davmat787]

Owning a gun is not a necessary part of defending yourself.

How do you recommend a woman living by herself defend against an intruder/rapist, should she feel that is a legitimate threat?

 

[guyver01]

How do you recommend a woman living by herself defend against an intruder/rapist, should she feel that is a legitimate threat?

didn't you see his previous response? If she's british, it's obvious she's a ninja and a master of hand-to-hand combat

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

No it isn't, the right to criticise the government is a necessary part of free speech.
Owning a gun is not a necessary part of defending yourself.

Then why do you own one?

 

[HAL9000]

How do you recommend a woman living by herself defend against an intruder/rapist, should she feel that is a legitimate threat?

I don't presume to recommend the best method of defending yourself. It's not for me to say, I know little about it.

 

[HAL9000]

Then why do you own one?

Clay pigeon shooting. I don't own ammunition.

 

[schneiderguy]

Which is why we banned guns for everyone, not just some, it's rare that someone gets shot over here now, and so it is rare that I would need a gun.

Did you ban kitchen knives? Baseball bats? Fire axes? Chainsaws? Swords? I don't know about you but if someone was trying to kill me with a sword I'd need a gun to defend myself against them.

And your government still has guns. A lot of them. Why aren't they disarmed also? Since no one needs guns :hmm:

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

How do you recommend a woman living by herself defend against an intruder/rapist, should she feel that is a legitimate threat?

Dude... There is a thread in OT where this argument raged with HAL for hundreds of posts... Let's not relive it.

In a nutshell... If she can physically fight off her attacker, good for her. If she can't, she just has to lay back and enjoy it. That's things work in HAL's world. But of course, HE is allowed to have a gun.

 

[davmat787]

Clay pigeon shooting. I don't own ammunition.

I could swear I have seen you state guns are only for killing.

I don't presume to recommend the best method of defending yourself. It's not for me to say, I know little about it.

But you just state guns are necessary to defend yourself.

 

[HAL9000]

Did you ban kitchen knives? Baseball bats? Fire axes? Chainsaws? Swords?

Ermm, No, No, No, and Some.

And your government still has guns. A lot of them. Why aren't they disarmed also? Since no one needs guns :hmm:

Other countries still have them. As do some criminals, the police don't carry guns, except special units that get called when someone has a gun etc.

 

[HAL9000]

I could swear I have seen you state guns are only for killing.

Guns are built for killing.