UK: Retired widow could face 5 years of prison after man broke into her house...

[nobodyknows]

I'm pretty content with the difference between:

Applying for a shot gun license
Having a police background check
Receiving a license
Having the police come round the house to check how the weapon is to be stored, Checking who owns a key
Having a disassembled shotgun with no ammunition stored in a secure box that has been checked by the police
Police re-check every year or so

vs

Old woman has a pistol in a box.

that belonged to hre late husband and she forgot she even had. If the Judge gives her 5 years (which I believ is the lightest mandatory sentence) your fine with it?

 

[nobodyknows]

No I do not.

Unbelivable. Why own a gun just to trap shoot??

I guess I'm spoiled. I own 5 shotguns, 4 that I hunt with and 1 that's an antique. I hunt pheasant, partridge, dove, grouse, ducks, and geese. I trap shoot once or twice a month just to keep the "eye" tuned in.

I8f i didn't have a place to hunt I probably would sell most of my guns... except of course my pistols and a deer rifle.

 

[HAL9000]

that belonged to hre late husband and she forgot she even had. If the Judge gives her 5 years (which I believ is the lightest mandatory sentence) your fine with it?

So if they don't remember that they are committing a crime it's ok?

I'm fine with it.

 

[HAL9000]

Unbelivable. Why own a gun just to trap shoot??

I guess I'm spoiled. I own 5 shotguns, 4 that I hunt with and 1 that's an antique. I hunt pheasant, partridge, dove, grouse, ducks, and geese. I trap shoot once or twice a month just to keep the "eye" tuned in.

I8f i didn't have a place to hunt I probably would sell most of my guns... except of course my pistols and a deer rifle.

I'd never kill anything living with a gun or any other weapon by choice.

 

[nobodyknows]

So if they don't remember that they are committing a crime it's ok?

I'm fine with it.

Show me her criminal intent.

 

[nobodyknows]

I'd never kill anything living with a gun or any other weapon by choice.

That's your choice, but if you eat meat, somebody has to kill it.

 

[HAL9000]

Show me her criminal intent.

She needs to intend to commit a crime to commit one now?

 

[HAL9000]

That's your choice, but if you eat meat, somebody has to kill it.

That's true, and I'm not getting into my meat eating again

 

[nonlnear]

She needs to intend to commit a crime to commit one now?

Yes, in sane countries.

 

[HAL9000]

Yes, in sane countries.

Really? So if you claim you don't remember doing it and you've killed someone, it doesn't count?

 

[schneiderguy]

Police re-check every year or so

When the police come to check do they let you know ahead of time? Or do they just show up?

I'm just curious, I didn't know that was a requirement in the UK.

 

[HAL9000]

When the police come to check do they let you know ahead of time? Or do they just show up?

I'm just curious, I didn't know that was a requirement in the UK.

They let you know ahead of time.

 

[nonlnear]

Really? So if you claim you don't remember doing it and you've killed someone, it doesn't count?

What does memory after the fact have to do with intent before and during the commission of the act? You seem confused... about a lot of things.

 

[Ronstang]

The problem with the Brits is that the government stole their rights so slowly that the younger generations don't even see the problem. It is truly disgusting what progressives and liberals do to a society.

 

[HAL9000]

What does memory after the fact have to do with intent before and during the commission of the act? You seem confused... about a lot of things.

I was referring to the OP, she forgot the gun was there, so her intent to own an illegal gun can't really be argued as she forgot she had it, doesn't change the fact that she owns the gun.

 

[nobodyknows]

She needs to intend to commit a crime to commit one now?

In other words you can't show me criminal intent befause she had none.

If someone kills sombody in a car accident and someone else murderes somebody do they get the same mandatory sentence for taking a life?

Of course not, one was an accident and one had criminal intent.

This lady shouldn't get get the same sentence as someone who owns a gun with the criminal intent of robbing or hurting someone.

 

[nobodyknows]

That's true, and I'm not getting into my meat eating again

LOL, so you DO eat meat. That makes me chuckle.

 

[HAL9000]

In other words you can't show me criminal intent befause she had none.

She committed a crime, IDGAS if she can't remember it.

If someone kills sombody in a car accident and someone else murderes somebody do they get the same mandatory sentence for taking a life?

No they don't, but if one person kills someone and can't remember it and another person kills someone they committed the same crime.

Of course not, one was an accident and one had criminal intent.

This lady shouldn't get get the same sentence as someone who owns a gun with the criminal intent of robbing or hurting someone.

She owned a gun, that is the crime, not what she intended to do with the gun, it's irrelevant what she intended to do with it.

 

[HAL9000]

LOL, so you DO eat meat. That makes me chuckle.

I'm OK with that.

 

[schneiderguy]

She committed a crime, IDGAS if she can't remember it.

If your memory problems made you forget to renew your shotgun license or something and you were caught with it would you be OK with going to jail for 5 years?

 

[HAL9000]

If your memory problems made you forget to renew your shotgun license or something and you were caught with it would you be OK with going to jail for 5 years?

If I ignored the letters reminding me at 3 months, 60 days and 30 days, and on the day it happened. Then the follow up calls that you'll get if you forget. Then yeah, I'd be fine with getting 5 years.

 

[nonlnear]

I was referring to the OP, she forgot the gun was there, so her intent to own an illegal gun can't really be argued as she forgot she had it, doesn't change the fact that she owns the gun.

If she didn't remember that the gun was in the house when it became her property, then she did not have intent to take possession of it. That being the case, she would be acquitted in jurisdictions where intent is part of the standard for a criminal offense.

If you buy a property that had toxic waste illegally buried on it, should you be convicted of a crime if somebody discovers it? A reasonable legal system would consider you an innocent party.

 

[HAL9000]

If she didn't remember that the gun was in the house when it became her property, then she did not have intent to take possession of it. That being the case, she would be acquitted in jurisdictions where intent is part of the standard for a criminal offence.

She knew where it was, according to the OP, she said it was in a locked box, how would she know that if she didn't remember it existed, the gun was in a house she lived in, as soon as she was aware of it's existence she had a duty to get rid of it, she didn't, instead she unknowingly (apparently) took possession of it when her husband died, she knew it existed even if she had forgotten, it was her responsibility to deal with it.

If you buy a property that had toxic waste illegally buried on it, should you be convicted of a crime if somebody discovers it? A reasonable legal system would consider you an innocent party.

I'm not sure. how the law would deal with that.

 

[nobodyknows]

She committed a crime, IDGAS if she can't remember it.

Actually it was her husband who commited the crime, she just got caught holding the bag

No they don't, but if one person kills someone and can't remember it and another person kills someone they committed the same crime.

Sounds like a temporary insanity case to me.

She owned a gun, that is the crime, not what she intended to do with the gun, it's irrelevant what she intended to do with it.

She had no intentions of doing anything with the gun becuse she didn't even know she had it, so that fact make her intentions relevant. You admit that there are varying degrees of homicide so why can't there be varying degrees of illegal gun ownership?

 

[HAL9000]

Actually it was her husband who commited the crime, she just got caught holding the bag

See above.

Sounds like a temporary insanity case to me.

That's for the courts to decide.

She had no intentions of doing anything with the gun becuse she didn't even know she had it, so that fact make her intentions relevant. You admit that there are varying degrees of homicide so why can't there be varying degrees of illegal gun ownership?

Because either you own the gun or you do not, there is no grey area.