UK: Retired widow could face 5 years of prison after man broke into her house...

[nobodyknows]

Because either you own the gun or you do not, there is no grey area.

She didn't own it, her husband did. No grey area there.

 

[HAL9000]

She didn't own it, her husband did. No grey area there.

How is she being arrested then? Was it not left to her in his will? did she not become the owner of it? I mean if she didn't own it, then obviously none of that happened....

 

[nonlnear]

She knew where it was, according to the OP, she said it was in a locked box, how would she know that if she didn't remember it existed, the gun was in a house she lived in, as soon as she was aware of it's existence she had a duty to get rid of it, she didn't, instead she unknowingly (apparently) took possession of it when her husband died, she knew it existed even if she had forgotten, it was her responsibility to deal with it.

Have you ever completely forgotten that you had something? Imagine you had a small heirloom object that somebody else in your household owned, and always kept it in the same place. You've forgotten about it, and somebody asks you "where did xxx keep the [insert object]?" It's not unlikely that you would know the answer to that question without much hesitation even though you had no thought of its existence prior to having your memory jogged by the question.

I'm not sure. how the law would deal with that.

Punctuation is apparently hard enough for you, so I won't trouble you with these hard questions.

 

[HAL9000]

Have you ever completely forgotten that you had something? Imagine you had a small heirloom object that somebody else in your household owned, and always kept it in the same place. You've forgotten about it, and somebody asks you "where did xxx keep the [insert object]?" It's not unlikely that you would know the answer to that question without much hesitation even though you had no thought of its existence prior to having your memory jogged by the question.

Well if that's the case then as I said she knew about it.

Punctuation is apparently hard enough for you, so I won't trouble you with these hard questions.

OK.

 

[nobodyknows]

If she didn't remember that the gun was in the house when it became her property, then she did not have intent to take possession of it. That being the case, she would be acquitted in jurisdictions where intent is part of the standard for a criminal offense.

If you buy a property that had toxic waste illegally buried on it, should you be convicted of a crime if somebody discovers it? A reasonable legal system would consider you an innocent party.

Well said.

 

[irishScott]

What's the penalty for trolling? Whatever it is, you should get it.

He's not trolling. He legitimately believes it. He's also admitted to being mentally ill and his views have been openly derided and rejected by his own countrymen on this forum. See my sig for the basis of his argument.

 

[HAL9000]

He's not trolling. He legitimately believes it. He's also admitted to being mentally ill and his views have been openly derided and rejected by his own countrymen on this forum. See my sig for the basis of his argument.

I'm bipolar, it has no baring on how I feel about gun ownership, grow up, fuck off.

 

[nonlnear]

Well if that's the case then as I said she knew about it.

If you had asked hr to list the contents of her house she would not have been able to list the gun without being explicitly reminded of it by the question about its location.

 

[nobodyknows]

How is she being arrested then? Was it not left to her in his will? did she not become the owner of it? I mean if she didn't own it, then obviously none of that happened....

Was the gun specifically mentioned in the will? Obviously not.

She inherited it, but didn't know she had it. I wouldn't doubt that she had never even so much as touched it.

 

[HAL9000]

If you had asked hr to list the contents of her house she would not have been able to list the gun without being explicitly reminded of it by the question about its location.

Oh! Well in that case, fuck it she get's a get out of jail free card, even if she had some corpses under her bed, it's fine. I mean, if she doesn't remember...

 

[HAL9000]

Was the gun specifically mentioned in the will? Obviously not.

She inherited it, but didn't know she had it. I wouldn't doubt that she had never even so much as touched it.

She knew about it.

She owned it.

It was an illegal gun

/Discussion.

 

[irishScott]

I'm bipolar, it has no baring on how I feel about gun ownership, grow up, fuck off.

Coming from you that's laughable. Struck a nerve did I?

And bipolarism aside, you've openly admitted to not being able to remember experiences or emotions past 6 days. I'm no psychologist, but I'm pretty sure that impairs one's ability to empathize or sympathize, as well as stunting emotional development. You say it makes you more logical, I say it makes you handicapped if not incapable of understanding the human element of a situation, which is often the determining factor. You look at human beings as statistics and concrete, absolute, inaccurate classes, nothing more.

As for your specific views on gun rights, I don't think we need another rehash of how messed up they are. I can agree to disagree and even understand the perspective of many gun control advocates. Your views are simply broken.

 

[nonlnear]

Oh! Well in that case, fuck it she get's a get out of jail free card, even if she had some corpses under her bed, it's fine. I mean, if she doesn't remember...

Now you're getting it! (As long as the corpses weren't a result of an action she did, and their original placement under the bed by their prior owner was lawful.)

 

[HAL9000]

Coming from you that's laughable. Struck a nerve did I?

Yes it did, I have e-fucking-nough of people saying that the fact I have bipolar disorder somehow relates to you being able to disregard every argument I make or every one of my beliefs. As I said grow up you fucking ignorant moron.

And bipolarism aside, you've openly admitted to not being able to remember experiences or emotions past 6 days. I'm no psychologist, but I'm pretty sure that impairs one's ability to empathize or sympathize, as well as stunting emotional development.

That's right your no psychologist, don't attempt to diagnose me without having ever met me or without any comprehension of who I am.

[QUPTE]
You say it makes you more logical, I say it makes you handicapped if not incapable of understanding the human element of a situation, which is often the determining factor. You look at human beings as statistics and concrete, absolute, inaccurate classes, nothing more.[/QUOTE]

Do I? wow. I had no idea that you suddenly have a great insight into my intent or how I view the world than I, my friends, my family, my therapist, my fiancee and my psychiatrist combined, I think next time I need to talk about any issues I have with someone I'll PM you rather than discussing it with someone who actually knows me or who is qualified to discuss it.

As for your specific views on gun rights, I don't think we need another rehash of how messed up they are.

I love how you pro-gun morons always say that my beliefs are messed up. Grow up.

 

[HAL9000]

Now you're getting it! (As long as the corpses weren't a result of an action she did, and their original placement under the bed by their prior owner was lawful.)

I'm pretty sure that if she was aware they were there, then there'd be a crime involved, something like aiding and abetting a killer. Perverting the course of justice etc.

 

[nonlnear]

I'm pretty sure that if she was aware they were there, then there'd be a crime involved, something like aiding and abetting a killer. Perverting the course of justice etc.

Oh, so you were intentionally drawing a parallel between the case in point and something that is in no way analogous? I would never have suspected you of such treachery!

 

[HAL9000]

Oh, so you were intentionally drawing a parallel between the case in point and something that is in no way analogous? I would never have suspected you of such treachery!

OK.

 

[irishScott]

Yes it did, I have e-fucking-nough of people saying that the fact I have bipolar disorder somehow relates to you being able to disregard every argument I make or every one of my beliefs. As I said grow up you fucking ignorant moron.



That's right your no psychologist, don't attempt to diagnose me without having ever met me or without any comprehension of who I am.

You say it makes you more logical, I say it makes you handicapped if not incapable of understanding the human element of a situation, which is often the determining factor. You look at human beings as statistics and concrete, absolute, inaccurate classes, nothing more.

Do I? wow. I had no idea that you suddenly have a great insight into my intent or how I view the world than I, my friends, my family, my therapist, my fiancee and my psychiatrist combined, I think next time I need to talk about any issues I have with someone I'll PM you rather than discussing it with someone who actually knows me or who is qualified to discuss it.



I love how you pro-gun morons always say that my beliefs are messed up. Grow up.

I'm going off your own posts. You've openly said it makes you "more logical." Search for it if you like, pretty sure it's in a thread you started a few weeks ago.

As for my inferences, they're mild at best and highly visible in your posts if one takes a decent look for more than 5 minutes. I have no deep insights into you, I'm just going off your displayed behavior. In any case your anger here indicates I've got something right, why be so defensive unless there's something to defend? I don't need to attack your integrity, you killed that on this forum yourself long ago. I'm just adding facts and mild inferences from those facts that others might not be aware of.

And like I said, I can understand the perspective of some gun control advocates, and can agree to disagree with more than a few. Yours are simply broken from the inside out.

 

[nobodyknows]

She knew about it.

She owned it.

It was an illegal gun

/Discussion.

OK

* I'd be careful what you wish for. The way things are going in your country it may not be too long before they come for your shotgun.

 

[HAL9000]

I'm going off your own posts. You've openly said it makes you "more logical." Search for it if you like, pretty sure it's in a thread you started a few weeks ago.

Brilliant, then why not get back to me about my health in that thread.

As for my inferences, they're mild at best and highly visible in your posts if one takes a decent look for more than 5 minutes. I have no deep insights into you, I'm just going off your displayed behavior. In any case your anger here indicates I've got something right, why be so defensive if there's nothing to defend?

I am defending myself, and my beliefs and the fact that I have no diagnosed health problems that give you the right to disregard my beliefs.

I don't need to attack your integrity, you killed that on this forum yourself your long ago. I'm just adding facts and mild inferences from those facts that others might not be aware of.

I don't give a shit about my integrity on these forums, what I give a shit about is people who attempt to tell me how valid my opinions are based on my health.

And like I said, I can understand the perspective of some gun control advocates, and can agree to disagree with more than a few. Yours are simply broken from the inside out.

In your opinion.

 

[nonlnear]

OK

* I'd be careful what you wish for. The way things are going in your country it may not be too long before they come for your shotgun.

If their legislators think anything like him, they'll make it retroactively illegal and lock him up for having it all these years.

 

[HAL9000]

OK

* I'd be careful what you wish for. The way things are going in your country it may not be too long before they come for your shotgun.

I'm fine with that, the difference is they won't be coming for it, I'll be handing it in.

 

[irishScott]

Brilliant, then why not get back to me about my health in that thread.



I am defending myself, and my beliefs and the fact that I have no diagnosed health problems that give you the right to disregard my beliefs.



I don't give a shit about my integrity on these forums, what I give a shit about is people who attempt to tell me how valid my opinions are based on my health.



In your opinion.

Not remembering emotional experiences past 6 days is a form of mental illness. Or were you lying about that? I never specifically mentioned your bipolarism until you did. Although for the record, in the context of a post made while in a mood swing (due to being bipolar) , being bipolar could very easily disqualify your views.

But I digress. I've explained how I believe the 6-day memory thing you've got going impairs your social empathy/sympathy. That's a very mild inference based on simple logic and proven with high visibility by your posts. Therefore, on issues that involve the human element to a significant degree (such as gun rights) in my highly justified opinion it does give me leeway to disregard your arguments.

And if you don't give a shit about your integrity then I guess that's even more reason to disregard your views. Why should any of us waste our time listening to, let alone conversing with, some British brat who just admitted that he doesn't care and is just here to shit out of his mouth at our expense?

 

[nobodyknows]

Not remembering emotional experiences past 6 days is a form of mental illness. Or were you lying about that? I never specifically mentioned your bipolarism until you did. Although for the record, in the context of a post made while in a mood swing (due to being bipolar) , being bipolar could very easily disqualify your views.

But I digress. I've explained how I believe the 6-day memory thing you've got going impairs your social empathy/sympathy. That's a very mild inference based on simple logic and proven with high visibility by your posts. Therefore, on issues that involve the human element to a significant degree (such as gun rights) in my highly justified opinion it does give me leeway to disregard your arguments.

And if you don't give a shit about your integrity then I guess that's even more reason to disregard your views. Why should any of us waste our time listening to, let alone conversing with, some British brat who just admitted that he doesn't care and is just here to shit out of his mouth at our expense?

He sure doesn't seem to be inclined to change his mind about anything and sometimes glosses right over or ignores important points. I'd have to say your "analysis" seems pretty damn close.

 

[HAL9000]

Not remembering emotional experiences past 6 days is a form of mental illness . Or were you lying about that? I never specifically mentioned your bipolarism until you did. Although for the record, in the context of a post made while in a mood swing (due to being bipolar) , being bipolar could very easily disqualify your views.

Let me rephrase this for you, simply so you will understand it. You know nothing about me, or psychology, so until you get back to me with a scan of your psychology degree, or it turns out you are someone who knows me really well, fuck off. Also being bipolar has no baring on my views.

But I digress. I've explained how I believe the 6-day memory thing you've got going impairs your social empathy/sympathy. That's a very mild inference based on simple logic and proven with high visibility by your posts. Therefore, on issues that involve the human element to a significant degree (such as gun rights) in my highly justified opinion it does give me leeway to disregard your arguments.

Let me rephrase this for you, simply so you will understand it. You know nothing about me, or psychology, so until you get back to me with a scan of your psychology degree, or it turns out you are someone who knows me really well, fuck off. Also being bipolar has no baring on my views.

And if you don't give a shit about your integrity then I guess that's even more reason to disregard your views. Why should any of us waste our time listening to, let alone conversing with, some British brat who just admitted that he doesn't care and is just here to shit out of his mouth at our expense?

I've never said that's why I'm here.

The reason this subject pisses me off so much is that people who use a persons health or sexual orientation as an argument against someone's beliefs are the lowest form of moron on this forum. You have just made that list. Congrats.