When I worked in a restaurant a few years ago, wait staff was paid at $2.80 an hour. However, if the staff did not make enough tips to cover minimum wage, by law the business had to make up for the deficit. I would like to know how many waiters/waitresses/delivery people actually report EVERYTHING they earn to the IRS and business... I knew people who would only report up to minimum wage and then pocket the rest. That being said, TIPPING is not required, it is used TO INSURE PROMPT SERVICE.
I am not a cheap skate, I will tip those people that I feel DESERVE it. Asking me if I want change back is a good way to lose some tip money as I find that it is rude, I will tell you if I want you to keep the change. Just last night I tipped a waiter 20%+, he did everything right, was polite, prompt, and did not hound me about my change.
I do tip, but I will not be forced/guilted into it.
I am not a cheap skate, I will tip those people that I feel DESERVE it. Asking me if I want change back is a good way to lose some tip money as I find that it is rude, I will tell you if I want you to keep the change. Just last night I tipped a waiter 20%+, he did everything right, was polite, prompt, and did not hound me about my change.
I do tip, but I will not be forced/guilted into it.
What is up with this "My job is so hard! Tip me more!" stuff? I used to pick blueberries for $14 a day. I had to wake up at 6am, and didn't come home until 6pm. I had to work under the sun, no bathroom, water breaks, etc.
So guess what? I got another job, and I don't ever think I should've paid more for the blueberries I eat today so the blueberry pickers can get paid more money.
Of course, I don't think y'all want more money cuz your job is so hard. I think you just want more money for the same reason as everyone else(money rocks and that's why).
Like some said, I don't get why I should tip more at a more expensive restaurant. It's not as if the food is heavier or the kitchen is farther away at more expensive restaurants. In my experience, I've found that many servers at "fancy" restaurants are no more knowledgeable about the food they serve than the servers are cheaper restaurants. And obviously, you can find friendlies and jackasses at all price ranges.
<----- Asian, tips about 15%-20%.
So guess what? I got another job, and I don't ever think I should've paid more for the blueberries I eat today so the blueberry pickers can get paid more money.
Of course, I don't think y'all want more money cuz your job is so hard. I think you just want more money for the same reason as everyone else(money rocks and that's why).
Like some said, I don't get why I should tip more at a more expensive restaurant. It's not as if the food is heavier or the kitchen is farther away at more expensive restaurants. In my experience, I've found that many servers at "fancy" restaurants are no more knowledgeable about the food they serve than the servers are cheaper restaurants. And obviously, you can find friendlies and jackasses at all price ranges.
<----- Asian, tips about 15%-20%.
It's true. I waited and I tip a minimum of 20% If you're a dumbass I'll tip you 15%.... The job sucks ass, I'll always remember that...
I've even talked the majority of my close family into tipping at LEAST 15%
One has to experience the act of being snubbed or ignored by servers in order to truly appreciate the value of tips. I'd rather leave a poor tip than complain to the management about poor service. If its truly bad service, I'll be a real a-hole and do both. If the service is awesome, I'll leave up to 30% sometimes. Customer appreciation is mandatory. Service appreciation must be justifiable.
Poor tippers are poor tippers. I'm sure everyone has friends that tip poorly and some that tip well regardless of circumstance, whatever race they are.
Poor tippers are poor tippers. I'm sure everyone has friends that tip poorly and some that tip well regardless of circumstance, whatever race they are.
No that example doesn't. I have however worked in restaurants where the only people that patronized them were well educated and wealthy. The correlation was there even at those places. I am not saying that just because someone's skin is black they tip 6%. It isn't written into the DNA but as a general rule black people do not tip as well as other races with all things being equal. Could you contribute this to other factors such as culture? Sure you can but it doesn't change the correlation just the causes of it.
Shrugs, i usually tip anywhere between 8% and 28%, with an average of 19% tip. It all depends on service tho.
Im asian if that is statistically helpful
One thing i hate is gratuity. Ive been to restaurants with a part of 6 and they purposely give terrible service and force you to pay the 18% grat. That pisses me off.
Im asian if that is statistically helpful
One thing i hate is gratuity. Ive been to restaurants with a part of 6 and they purposely give terrible service and force you to pay the 18% grat. That pisses me off.
Yep and I for one would rather be able to set the price of my food based on the service I receive.
tipping is the biggest scam in this country.. i tip as little as possible, 10% max
when i was in taiwan i got a haircut for $4.. that included a neck massage, shampoo and the haircut.. no tip expected from anyone.
when i was in taiwan i got a haircut for $4.. that included a neck massage, shampoo and the haircut.. no tip expected from anyone.
How is it a scam. You are paying a set cost for your meal and then paying for the service based on what you feel it was worth.
That's the dumbest idea I have ever heard. If I had just finished my meal and somebody told me that most people tip 15% if they liked the service, I'd be livid. If the waiter had told me this, I would say that I usually tip 20% and now I won't ever be coming to this store again and proceed to give him jack squat. Had a manager said it, I'd give my waiter their deserved tip and tell them they won't be seeing me around again.
You insult people by assuming the worst from them. You can't discriminate people based upon how much you THINK they're going to tip. That business model is completely ludicrous.
Here's the list of the people I tip:
Pizza delivery people
Waiters/Waitresses
Bartenders
I tip pizza guys $2-3 usually and I usually do 20% for waiters unless they gave horrible service. Anybody else working common jobs expecting tips is bullcrap. I tip for good service and that's it.
From all of my friends that have ever held jobs deemed 'tip-worthy', they typically made between $12-18 / hr including tips. Then they complain about people not tipping enough? I guarantee my job was 2x more difficult than theirs and dealt with more crap on an everyday basis and I was happy to be making $11.50/hr. If you're making over $8-9 an hour as a college student, you should be the happiest person on Earth, enough said. Stop being such greedy assholes.
-silver
I'm a good tipper--barber gets 30% and most food services get around 20%.
That said I hate tipping bartenders, even the broads.
You have to wait forever to get a beer when you hang over the bar, and even then all they do is twist the cap. If you think that is worth 20% you can blow me.
That said I hate tipping bartenders, even the broads.
You have to wait forever to get a beer when you hang over the bar, and even then all they do is twist the cap. If you think that is worth 20% you can blow me.
yes i do discriminate based on how people tip and any of you who said you wouldn't are liars. If i know we have a regular who tips ~30% everytime vs. some jackass I know to be cheap, I will be much more helpful to the regular. That being said, I wont treat the other guy poorly, he will get adequate service, but I'm not going to rush around for everything he needs and bust my ass to get his stuff out first if I know i'm not going to be compensated.
And as for confronting customers and informing them about tips, I do that on the attrocious ones (less than 10%). Anything over 10% i keep my mouth shut and just think your a jackass, but less than 10 is insulting. Some people honestly make math mistakes or accidently leave a bill out of the checkbook by accident. They are never offended when I ask them and are often embarrased and appologetic. I see nothing wrong with confronting them in this situation.
Other people are just cheap and shouldn't eat out at a sitdown resturaunt because they dont believe in tipping over 10%. No, there is no law requiring you to do it, but its a social norm. You can't compare it to other countries so dont try, accept how things opperate here. Believe me, its a better system.
My first job waiting tables was at a country club where there really were no tips. We recieved an hourly salary above min wage (not the 2.38/hr I make now) because tips were not expected. Members simply gave their membership number to charge the meal to and it was all billed home at the end of the month. An 18% "gratuity" was always added on to each bill even though we never saw any of this money, but that was the markup that paid for our services. Of course the gratuity never met all our of wages and the resturaunt opperated on a loss, but the bar and golf club and everything more than made up for it. That being said, since we all got paid regardless of our service, the service provided in that place was piss poor. That was the main reason I quit. It was a very slow, laid back atmosphere, but the staff dicked off more than anyone I have ever seen. People would hide out, take breaks all the time and disappear, just do anything cause they were getting paid while someone else took tables. This system sucked because there was no incentive to work hard for a bunch of rich asshole who didnt appreciate your efforts or even respect you.
At a regular resturaunt, this choice is up to you. You cannot leave a sub 10% tip and expect great service, that just wont happen. It doesnt make me a whore to only work for good tippers (which isnt true, i work for everyone except really shi*ty tippers) because my time and efforts are worth more than 2$ for a 40$ meal.
And as for confronting customers and informing them about tips, I do that on the attrocious ones (less than 10%). Anything over 10% i keep my mouth shut and just think your a jackass, but less than 10 is insulting. Some people honestly make math mistakes or accidently leave a bill out of the checkbook by accident. They are never offended when I ask them and are often embarrased and appologetic. I see nothing wrong with confronting them in this situation.
Other people are just cheap and shouldn't eat out at a sitdown resturaunt because they dont believe in tipping over 10%. No, there is no law requiring you to do it, but its a social norm. You can't compare it to other countries so dont try, accept how things opperate here. Believe me, its a better system.
My first job waiting tables was at a country club where there really were no tips. We recieved an hourly salary above min wage (not the 2.38/hr I make now) because tips were not expected. Members simply gave their membership number to charge the meal to and it was all billed home at the end of the month. An 18% "gratuity" was always added on to each bill even though we never saw any of this money, but that was the markup that paid for our services. Of course the gratuity never met all our of wages and the resturaunt opperated on a loss, but the bar and golf club and everything more than made up for it. That being said, since we all got paid regardless of our service, the service provided in that place was piss poor. That was the main reason I quit. It was a very slow, laid back atmosphere, but the staff dicked off more than anyone I have ever seen. People would hide out, take breaks all the time and disappear, just do anything cause they were getting paid while someone else took tables. This system sucked because there was no incentive to work hard for a bunch of rich asshole who didnt appreciate your efforts or even respect you.
At a regular resturaunt, this choice is up to you. You cannot leave a sub 10% tip and expect great service, that just wont happen. It doesnt make me a whore to only work for good tippers (which isnt true, i work for everyone except really shi*ty tippers) because my time and efforts are worth more than 2$ for a 40$ meal.
You waiters crack me up every time y'all whip out the "I make $2.38(or whatever amount) an hour" line like I'm supposed to think now that you do the job solely for the joy of serving food to complete strangers(or regulars, whatever). You guys get paid about the right amount(tips included
). You refill drinks and bring me food. I, and everyone I know, do this every day when we're not eating out. It's not that hard. Yes, you are kept busy because you have multiple tables. Is that supposed to earn you points? I'm supposed to give you more money because you brought drinks to people I don't know? Like I said earlier, I tip about 15%-20%, but only because I've been doing this all my adult life. It's not because I'm thankful/impressed.
you dont have to be impressed and above 15% is fine. Also, i'm not saying I make 2.38 for sympathy, of couse I take home more that that, I was using it as a comparison to the 8/hr i made at the club without tips.
I also know you you can make food and get drinks, but you're not eating out to do that, you're eating out to have someone else do it for you. I and everyone I know drive cars. Just as I can very easily drive, I don't screw a cabby out of a tip because I feel he's not doing anything special and bitch about the price of the ride. I pay for the ride and tip a buck or so depending on how long the drive was, what the fare came out to, and if he made an effort to be friendly or not. If its short crappy ride and the cabby doesn't say much, I tip decently and go on my way. I'm not trying to make an ordeal out of this or say that people who work service jobs deserve anything special, but don't screw them out of what they deserve because theres no law forcing you to pay them.
I also know you you can make food and get drinks, but you're not eating out to do that, you're eating out to have someone else do it for you. I and everyone I know drive cars. Just as I can very easily drive, I don't screw a cabby out of a tip because I feel he's not doing anything special and bitch about the price of the ride. I pay for the ride and tip a buck or so depending on how long the drive was, what the fare came out to, and if he made an effort to be friendly or not. If its short crappy ride and the cabby doesn't say much, I tip decently and go on my way. I'm not trying to make an ordeal out of this or say that people who work service jobs deserve anything special, but don't screw them out of what they deserve because theres no law forcing you to pay them.
i don't believe in why we the consumer has to pay the restaurant's staffing.
i tip cuz if i dont im only hurting the waitress and not the restaurant itself. But there should be a government regulation to ban tipping and make the restaurant owners pay the waitresses their full wages. if the waitresses sux, they should be fired. simple economics. when i buy groceries, i dont tip the cashier cuz she's doing a fine job scanning my food. when i buy i car at a dealership, i don't tip the salesman selling me the car because he was really nice to me. why should waitressing be any different. if the waitress sux, the consumer will tell the owner, she will get fired, theyn someone else will be hired just like any other friggin job. instead of giving waitresses minimum or even less than min wage + tips, it should be setup as tiers based on how good they are like training tier ($9/hr), average tier ($11/hr), exceptional waitress tier($13/hr).
i do tech support over the phone making 12/hr. why don't my company make it so that we get paid minmum plus any tips we get over the phone??
i just dont understand how restaurants are setup like this..
mostlikely in response to you they will raise the price of your food, which i am all up for. the employees will get a FIXED wage, but it will be alot higher than min wage. crappy waitresses get fired, good waitresses are kept, how simple this sounds to me eh?
I agree in principle with what you're saying about not screwing people out of what they "deserve". You did clear up some of the points that I disagreed with in your above post. Regardless, there's always going to be that minority that doesn't care to tip more than 10%. It's just one of those things you have to deal with.
with fixed wages, your service would decline. See what I said about the country club before. What would happen with fixed wages is it would cost the management too much to have a full staff on the floor all the time at 10/hr or whatever. Right now at 2.38 an hour it costs next to nothing to be overstaffed on a crappy day that people dont come in, but to be overstaffed on a crappy day at 10/hr would cost too much. Therefore, less people would be scheduled at a time to reduce costs and overall service would degrade during busy hours. Its just too hard to predict when people will come to a resturaunt.
you kind of have a point , about the cost of management BUT your saying its hard to predict when ppl come to restaurants??? most people eat breakfast at 7-9, lunch at 11-2, dinner at 5-8. cmon now.
its much harder to gauge what times ppl buy cars, what time ppl call for tech support, what times ppl need their pool cleaned. etc....
but the same could be said about movie theaters. i worked at edwards cinema, its crazy busy in morning, and crazy busy at evenings. midday though its deserted. but we were still paid min wage throughout. but it is min wage only, and not around 10/hr. but really teh same could be said for any other jobs car car dealers, im pretty sure they get days when its just bone dry and the salesman's just dick around most of the day. sometimes it could get busy really fast, etc..
salesmen opperate on commission though so the dealership doesnt have to pay them too much (another incentive based form of pay) and places like movie theatres rake in enough money to pay people during the slow periods. Most resturaunts run on a pretty thin profit margin and a stretch of bad days could hurt them pretty alot worse if wages were higher.
Christ, this thread got hijacked once again.
We were discussing how tipping in relation to race but it has turn into why service people do not deserve 15%...blah blah...
We were discussing how tipping in relation to race but it has turn into why service people do not deserve 15%...blah blah...
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