I would guess that it's a combination of race culture and income levels. I would say white people tip the best as they are more likely to be both decently well off and have grown up in the US. Blacks on average make less. Then there's the Asians/Indians, who are undeniably cheap and decently well off. However, I would say their children are not always cheap, but many of them are, too.
flexy
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Its not that blacks necessarely hate whites - but i THINK that blacks (and otehr non whites) often have a inferiority-complex...a la "you (as a white) have it better anyway, we dont. And therefore any 'negative' action against a white person is quasi legitimate.
I once was robbed by turkish guy, who told me: "Well its not that bad for you, you can get the money easily back etc..): Quasi apologizing for his actions ... <- you get the idea
The funny thing is, if you experience this (on the work place or anywhere else)...its just RACISM, and, yes, not "reverse" Racism...and i often have the impression the others (which are blacks, hispanic etc...) dont realize that.
On a funny sidenote, the black co-worker was quite ASTONISHED telling him that i need a green-card/visa etc. for staying in the Unites States. He seriously (!!!!!!!!) thought that all white people do NOT NEED a green card !!!
Besides of that rather funny issues..i dont have any problem with all my co-workers..rather the opposite
I just wish that some of the "non-whites" would sometiems think from the OTHER pespective and not keep riding on their 'we have it so bad, because we're black etc....' Ehrm yes, there are also poor WHITE people..just as a sidenote....and everyone tipping under 15% is definatly a bung-hole - then better go to taco-bell or just dont go in any restaurants if you think you are too poor for the tip
my $0.2
People take waiter/ waitress jobs because they know there is money to be made in tips. Because of this you can end up with some really good people. If the resturaunt pays them instead of allowing tips one of two things will happen.
1. They raise the price of the food. You are still paying the tip but you are no longer able to do so based on the service that you receive.
2. They pay just above minimum wage and now the good people they could have had working for them go elswhere. Now you are being served by that rude, nonattentive slob that used to work at fast foods bottom tier.
I would rather go to a place knowing that there is a set cost for food and what I pay for service is based on my dining experience.
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First of all, I find your mean spirited, niggardly attitude personally despicable. You are the first veteran of restaurant work I have ever run accross who tips less than 20%, as a minimum. Most tip more, no matter the state of their personal finances.
I've been a cook (in more than one country even), and was part of a group who owned and ran a restuarant. 20% is the minimum, more is better and of course called for if the service was exceptional or you ran your waitron ragged.
I also find it very hard to believe that Jumpem ever waited tables before. If you don't like to tip, go eat at McDonalds.
And for those of you that compare tipping here to other countries, when you're in this country you follow the customs here. Do you bitch about having to pay for health insurance because other countries have nationalized health insurance? Do you steal gas in other countries because it's so expensive there? Don't like it? Then move.
And for those of you that compare tipping here to other countries, when you're in this country you follow the customs here. Do you bitch about having to pay for health insurance because other countries have nationalized health insurance? Do you steal gas in other countries because it's so expensive there? Don't like it? Then move.
purbeast0
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this is ridiculous ... some of you guys are just cheap as hell.
i worked 8 years doing grocery bagging, and still am. i started when i was 14. the baskets can't go off the porch at the store, due to the fact that the parking lot is a hill and people will leave em in the lot, and they will roll into cars and damage things. so we offer to help take groceries out to cars for people. the average tip is definitely in the $1 range. and remmber, not NEARLY everyone needs help to their car. on a weekday, I make about $5-$7/hr in tips alone. but once we get to the closing hour or so, hardly anyone comes in the store. on a weekend, in a good six hours, I can make $40 in tips if its a busy day.
we make minimum wage + these tips. my job is also pretty physical, in the sense you are always on your feet and always moving, and you have to be quick. that is also what a waiter does. they are on their feet all day, moving quickly. when I go out, i ALWAYS tip very very well, and when a pizza guy comes, for the sheer fact that I know how it feels to get crappy tips. and i tell you, it SUCKS TO GET CRAPPY TIPS! atleast 2 or 3 times a day I receive a stiff. i do receive a few $2 or $3 tips as well, and it feels great
but for all you people who tip crappy, grow up and tip the people. it is expected in their pay, and they take the job expecting to receive these jobs. if they didnt work for tips, then trust me ... you would have some waiters who were completely rude and a$$es. they wouldn't care because no matter what they are receiving the same pay, so who cares if they are rude or not?
just stop being cheap and pay em, it's expected ... unless you want them to leave and have the crappy people working there.
i worked 8 years doing grocery bagging, and still am. i started when i was 14. the baskets can't go off the porch at the store, due to the fact that the parking lot is a hill and people will leave em in the lot, and they will roll into cars and damage things. so we offer to help take groceries out to cars for people. the average tip is definitely in the $1 range. and remmber, not NEARLY everyone needs help to their car. on a weekday, I make about $5-$7/hr in tips alone. but once we get to the closing hour or so, hardly anyone comes in the store. on a weekend, in a good six hours, I can make $40 in tips if its a busy day.
we make minimum wage + these tips. my job is also pretty physical, in the sense you are always on your feet and always moving, and you have to be quick. that is also what a waiter does. they are on their feet all day, moving quickly. when I go out, i ALWAYS tip very very well, and when a pizza guy comes, for the sheer fact that I know how it feels to get crappy tips. and i tell you, it SUCKS TO GET CRAPPY TIPS! atleast 2 or 3 times a day I receive a stiff. i do receive a few $2 or $3 tips as well, and it feels great
but for all you people who tip crappy, grow up and tip the people. it is expected in their pay, and they take the job expecting to receive these jobs. if they didnt work for tips, then trust me ... you would have some waiters who were completely rude and a$$es. they wouldn't care because no matter what they are receiving the same pay, so who cares if they are rude or not?
just stop being cheap and pay em, it's expected ... unless you want them to leave and have the crappy people working there.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
That was one of my many pet peeves.
I don't see a lot of blacks hating whites, but I don't get out much.
Well I'm white and living in NYC and though NYC is, majority wise white town (though we are still the melting pot), I have felt racism from blacks several times. You know how most people become less prejudiced as they get older? Well I've become more. I'm not a racist but I can honestly say I am prejudiced against blacks that dress a certain way (none against a black guy in a suit) .. Is this fair? Probably not. But I've had several experiences with black 15-20 year olds who dress like they are in the hood (even though I live in a fine neighberhood) who tried to scare me or on one instance, put his face an inch from mine while he rode next to me on his stupid little Razor and then tried to get his friends to chase me/ beat me up when, verbally, I told him to get away. When he called his friends, I did the smart thing 4 or 5 v 1. I ran like hell.
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Completely OT but... Holy shlt, you are in Canandaigua? I don't know how many drunken, late night meals I consumed at that very restaurant when I was a young lad.
I probably cooked them!
I eat at fast food occassionally during work if I get hungry. If I go out with the gf for a meal I'll usually go somewhere the food is better.
Megatomic
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I don't know man, I'm 34 and those meals were consumed when I was 17/18 years old. Thems was the days.Originally posted by: Jumpem
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Completely OT but... Holy shlt, you are in Canandaigua? I don't know how many drunken, late night meals I consumed at that very restaurant when I was a young lad.
I probably cooked them!
you are a duesche and I high doubt you've ever waited a table if you claim all a server does is carry food. Most servers are required to show up to their shift 1-2 hours early to setup, fold napkins, clean tables, prepare for brunch/lunch/dinner whatever, stock the server items in the kitchen... among other things. Also, most servers have to stay 30min-1hr after their shift to clean up, finish side work, count checks/money, tip out and all that. This means you are looking at maybe 2 hours of "untipped" time while working. Then you say you understand the server tips out bartender/busser/hostess, this can take away about 30% of the tips you made. Waiters and waitress are not rich people. A 2$ tip isnt worth dick. What your doing by leaving a 2$ tip is expecting others to pick up the slack for your miserly ass by leaving more generous tips.
If you were a customer of mine (and I have many like you), I would confront you by asking how you enjoyed the food and if you were happy with the service you recieved. If you said you were, I would explain that typically customers who are satisfied leave a minimum of 15% if they enjoyed everything, sometimes more (as some people are just naive or messed up the math or thought another person would leave the tip and they apologize and tip an approptiate amount). If you the insisted everything was fine but that you don't care to tip for service or dont believe in it for some reason, I'd ask you to not come back because you are not the type of customer we want in our establishment. We have a very good clientel and don't need people who use our server's time and resources when they couldn be better used on appreciative customers.
This has happened before and people have come back and been identified by our servers as asshole and refused service either by the staff who simply won't waste time on them or by our manager if the customer gets indignant about the situation. In contrast to this, we have many regular customers who always tip b/w 25-50%, and they recieve excellent, personable service everytime as we all know their names, favorite menu items/drinks, and its a much more pleasant experience to work for them.
If you were a customer of mine (and I have many like you), I would confront you by asking how you enjoyed the food and if you were happy with the service you recieved. If you said you were, I would explain that typically customers who are satisfied leave a minimum of 15% if they enjoyed everything, sometimes more (as some people are just naive or messed up the math or thought another person would leave the tip and they apologize and tip an approptiate amount). If you the insisted everything was fine but that you don't care to tip for service or dont believe in it for some reason, I'd ask you to not come back because you are not the type of customer we want in our establishment. We have a very good clientel and don't need people who use our server's time and resources when they couldn be better used on appreciative customers.
This has happened before and people have come back and been identified by our servers as asshole and refused service either by the staff who simply won't waste time on them or by our manager if the customer gets indignant about the situation. In contrast to this, we have many regular customers who always tip b/w 25-50%, and they recieve excellent, personable service everytime as we all know their names, favorite menu items/drinks, and its a much more pleasant experience to work for them.
I never said there wasn't a correlation. However, I did say there is another correlation that you never initially mentioned that probably has an equally large impact on the tipping amount as the race does. This experiment was obviously not done with a relatively homogenous sample with race being the only differing factor.
business model?
oh, and btw, I'm waiting tables while in college studying chemical engineering. When I'm done college and working as an engineer (who are gods in your view and deserve the highest pay for their troubles), I will continue to tip well because I understand how difficult it can be. It makes no sense to say engineers deserve high pay because they put in so much work to get there and waiters dont because its an unskilled job. Alot of the work to become and engineer is outside the classroom (i.e. waiting tables) to pay for the education to get there.
oh, and btw, I'm waiting tables while in college studying chemical engineering. When I'm done college and working as an engineer (who are gods in your view and deserve the highest pay for their troubles), I will continue to tip well because I understand how difficult it can be. It makes no sense to say engineers deserve high pay because they put in so much work to get there and waiters dont because its an unskilled job. Alot of the work to become and engineer is outside the classroom (i.e. waiting tables) to pay for the education to get there.
It just sounds like you need to find a better fvcking job and you're pissed that some people only tip 10%. Where is the law that states you have to tip anything? Oh wait there is none. I was a waiter for Chilis and did some other food service related work. The average pull for Friday night was $100. $100 / 7 hours is over $14 an hour. On a Saturday night, I made $150. That includes the 10% tip or less people. I treated everyone equally, regardless of how much they tipped. If you really care to discriminate against your customers based on what they tip, then you're the worst kind of waiter there is.
The guy who tips 10% might be the CEO of a multi-million dollar company, who only tipped 10% that time because he wanted a quick lunch, and later comes back with 15 people and for a $250 bill, left you a $100 tip. He sure as hell wouldn't come back if I took your stupid ass aproach of confronting him and telling him to basically fvck off. If I ever had a waiter confront me, I'd tell his sorry ass to meet me in the parking lot or I might throw my drink in his face.
You know what you're getting yourself into by being a waiter in terms of pay. To expect everyone to tip more than 10% is ludicrous. To discriminate against customers and confront them is even dumber. Idiot post of the day. :roll:
UglyCasanova
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Not trying to be rude or mean or anything, but where I work people would rather be seated white people than black people. Even the black people that work there joke about this and try to get out of it. For a while I had noticed that I could expect a little less from a party of blacks than a party of whites, but it crossed the line when I was stiffed by a party of 12 blacks on a sunday afternoon right after church. They recieved PERFECT service from me and even complemented me on how well I did, but after they left there was not a single penny on the table. Talk about pissed.
That said my best tip today was from a black family, and they were also the nicest table I've had all week.
That said my best tip today was from a black family, and they were also the nicest table I've had all week.
Yeah since the know they are not working for tips, they treat you like sh*t and get away with it
I deliver pizza too, and on my personal estimates 4/5 black people don't tip, 1/5 of everyone else doesn't tip. I had a good 8 hour day today with only 4 stiffs. Oh, and those where from the only black people I devlivered to.
And it's not a matter of personal finances either. 20% of my area is six figure houses < 5 years old. Blacks stiff there just as much. It's sad but you just get used to it, I just try to avoid every delivery with "meat lovers" pizzas or wings
And it's not a matter of personal finances either. 20% of my area is six figure houses < 5 years old. Blacks stiff there just as much. It's sad but you just get used to it, I just try to avoid every delivery with "meat lovers" pizzas or wings
ahha this thread is getting funny.
Tipping is a social norm. It's a guilt issue and not a gratuity issue. The history and custom of tipping is always at debate, but usually comes down to the same general conclusion.
Tipping is a social norm. It's a guilt issue and not a gratuity issue. The history and custom of tipping is always at debate, but usually comes down to the same general conclusion.
so you're just a big tip whore, and a fake at that.
hey gimme money and i'll be nice to you! don't? then fvck off!
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