Tipping and race - is there a correlation.......

[nCred]

Originally posted by: Zontor

Originally posted by: nCred
I´m white and I´ve never tipped anyone in my life.

Like eating bodily fluids, eh?

😀

Actually, I live in a country where you don´t tip, and I like it that way.

 

[poncherelli2]

no one is trying to guilt you into tipping more or make you feel 15% is insufficient and you need to do 20%. Yes, 20% is nice when you give good service, but I dont expect more than 15%. If everyone left a 15% tip things would be fine and dandy since management figures your salary to be 2.38 + ~.15*total sales. Its rude to tip less than 10% for good service. There are plenty of good delis and such that make fine food and hand it to you at a counter where there is no tip expected, eat there if you want good food but no service. Tipping is not picking up the employers slack, its simply a way of keeping food costs down and giving you control over how much you feel the service was worth. You wouldnt want all menu prices to be raised by 18%, have the waiter on a fixed salary, and your service decline because of it. Reward good service, pay average for average service, and have a word with the manager for terrible service. The system is setup to give you control, but don't abuse it just because you can. Yes the jobs are not that hard and don't take too much skill, but its still someones job and they are trying to make a living, whether its to support a family or pay for school to get a better job. Also, just because you can do the job doesnt mean you should automatically pay less. I can do many, many things that I have to pay other people to do and I still pay them fairly.

 

[poncherelli2]

jesus, some of you guys have comprehension problems. I don't give an after meal lecture on the etiquette of tipping. I'm curteous to everyone. I confront people after they thank me for the meal, I tell them to have a good day and then they walk away and I find a 0-5% tip in the book. Thats when I go over and ask them afterward if the service was ok and if it was why they left me sh*t. I'm not a fvcking retard who treats everyone like crap.

How you would find me to be rude and arrogant before this happens and have the forsight to leave a small bit a change I dont know. How would you leave a 0% tip after this? Reach into my pocket and take your money back? I'm very friendly to everyone until the screw me purposely, then I don't give a sh*t about them.

 

[DWW]

Originally posted by: poncherelli2
no one is trying to guilt you into tipping more or make you feel 15% is insufficient and you need to do 20%. Yes, 20% is nice when you give good service, but I dont expect more than 15%. If everyone left a 15% tip things would be fine and dandy since management figures your salary to be 2.38 + ~.15*total sales. Its rude to tip less than 10% for good service. There are plenty of good delis and such that make fine food and hand it to you at a counter where there is no tip expected, eat there if you want good food but no service. Tipping is not picking up the employers slack, its simply a way of keeping food costs down and giving you control over how much you feel the service was worth. You wouldnt want all menu prices to be raised by 18%, have the waiter on a fixed salary, and your service decline because of it. Reward good service, pay average for average service, and have a word with the manager for terrible service. The system is setup to give you control, but don't abuse it just because you can. Yes the jobs are not that hard and don't take too much skill, but its still someones job and they are trying to make a living, whether its to support a family or pay for school to get a better job. Also, just because you can do the job doesnt mean you should automatically pay less. I can do many, many things that I have to pay other people to do and I still pay them fairly.

That's just it--some people feel that you are only worth $2.38/hour 😉

 

[jjyiz28]

some of you guys are talking like a bunch of reds

yeah a doctor that spends years at schools, is in hundreds of thousand dollars in debt, should make the same as a janitor that doesn't even have a high school diploma because

"its a respectable job that my father used to do to pay the bills and feed our mouths", or "its a job that SOMEONE has to do that no one really wants to do it so in actuality they're doing US a favor by taking those types of jobs"

or "a doctor doesn't automatically make you smart, I know a lot of janitors that are geniouses, and a bunch of doctors that are dumb as nails", or

"being a doctor doesn't make you a better person than a janitor just because its more socially respected or higher paying"

or "because it is hard work feeding 5 kids and a pregnant wife because back in jr. high and high school i was a major fukup in class, and never went to a higher education, and therefore it isn't fair that a guy that studies hard in school, devotes his time and money in a higher education should be making more than me, because most likely he doesn't have kids like i do, and being paid minimum wage feeding all these mouths is hard work".

some of you guys need to stfu and learn that what your job is worth is based on how many other ppl can do your job.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: jjyiz28
some of you guys are talking like a bunch of reds

yeah a doctor that spends years at schools, is in hundreds of thousand dollars in debt, should make the same as a janitor that doesn't even have a high school diploma because

"its a respectable job that my father used to do to pay the bills and feed our mouths", or "its a job that SOMEONE has to do that no one really wants to do it so in actuality they're doing US a favor by taking those types of jobs"

or "a doctor doesn't automatically make you smart, I know a lot of janitors that are geniouses, and a bunch of doctors that are dumb as nails", or

"being a doctor doesn't make you a better person than a janitor just because its more socially respected or higher paying"

or "because it is hard work feeding 5 kids and a pregnant wife because back in jr. high and high school i was a major fukup in class, and never went to a higher education, and therefore it isn't fair that a guy that studies hard in school, devotes his time and money in a higher education should be making more than me, because most likely he doesn't have kids like i do, and being paid minimum wage feeding all these mouths is hard work".

some of you guys need to stfu and learn that what your job is worth is based on how many other ppl can do your job.

I agree. Perhaps, we have a couple of socialist waiters on AT.

 

[vood0g]

Originally posted by: nan0bug
I'm not going to sit here and say its an extremely difficult job. It takes a certain amount of dedication to do it well and actually make a living at it, and most people get burnt out really quickly. You have to do more than just deliver pizza to actually get enough hours to, say, support a child with the pay you make from delivering pizzas. At my store, I do basically everything that a manager does except for inventory: Answering phones, dealing with customer complaints, routing inexperienced drivers, training in-store staff, slapping and making pizzas, cutting and boxing pizzas, folding pizza boxes, washing dishes, sweeping and mopping floors.

I'm expected to do all these things in between deliveries. Deliveries where I do nothing but my job to the best of my ability and get crapped on by society because for some reason it is ingrained in our culture that workers in the service industry are worthless, uneducated, ignorant, etc.

On a day to day basis, I listen to people complain constantly about things that I have no control over, bitching at me because the ordertaker forgot to add an item, or because I was late delivering their pizza when they neglected to turn their porch light on and their address marker is nothing short of invisible. When I'm driving, I'm under a microscope. I get driving complaints constantly, even though my driving record is probbably cleaner than your underwear. If someone next to me does a burnout at a light, I will get blamed because their car doesn't have a sign with a phone number on it. It's always MY fault when something goes wrong. How easy would your job be if everything that went wrong in your workplace got blamed on you, and your expected response was to apologize and take people's crap with a smile? Oh, and lets not forget about robberies. I've been chased down the street by armed thugs trying to rob me for 40 some dollars and a large pizza. Have you ever had that happen at your workplace? Please tell me how much money you think just that aspect of the job is worth, on an hourly basis.

I think people need to stop looking at it as 'oh, he just carries pizzas around and sits on his ass all day'. Its more like working in a call center, restaurant, and as a truck driver all rolled in to one. For $5.15 an hour plus tips, with little or no benefits even though its the 5th most dangerous job in the country. Its a high stress job. Jumpem, If you think its easy, why don't you take a vacation from your job for a little bit and try doing it for 60 hours a week, say for a month. I don't think you would even make it to 60 hours in one week.

Its really simple. If you don't want to tip, then come pick your pizza up yourself. After all, if its not THAT hard to do, then you should be fully capable of doing it yourself.

Some people say 15%, but I don't know any pizza guy who will complain about a $2 tip. If you can't or won't spend $2 to have someone deal with traffic, bad weather, the threat of robbery, and wear and tear on their own personal vehicle just to bring a hot pizza to your door, you're pretty pathetic and I hope you choke on your pizza and die. One less asshole I gotta deliver to 🙂

OH MY GOD!!! why the hell do we need to pick up our own pizza if we dont want to leave a tip. what is your fvcking title, retard? that's right, you're the PIZZA DELIVERY GUY!!! you deliver pizza. so if getting 5.15 isnt enough for you to deliver pizza then take it up with management or quit. i am pretty sure there are many other people who will want your job, and will be happy to do it with or without the tips.

 

[johnjbruin]

i add 15% and then take the ceiling of that number.
eg. $10 charged. $1.50 tip.
ceiling( 10 + 1.50) --> leave $12

 

[johnjbruin]

Originally posted by: vood0g

Originally posted by: nan0bug
I'm not going to sit here and say its an extremely difficult job. It takes a certain amount of dedication to do it well and actually make a living at it, and most people get burnt out really quickly. You have to do more than just deliver pizza to actually get enough hours to, say, support a child with the pay you make from delivering pizzas. At my store, I do basically everything that a manager does except for inventory: Answering phones, dealing with customer complaints, routing inexperienced drivers, training in-store staff, slapping and making pizzas, cutting and boxing pizzas, folding pizza boxes, washing dishes, sweeping and mopping floors.

I'm expected to do all these things in between deliveries. Deliveries where I do nothing but my job to the best of my ability and get crapped on by society because for some reason it is ingrained in our culture that workers in the service industry are worthless, uneducated, ignorant, etc.

On a day to day basis, I listen to people complain constantly about things that I have no control over, bitching at me because the ordertaker forgot to add an item, or because I was late delivering their pizza when they neglected to turn their porch light on and their address marker is nothing short of invisible. When I'm driving, I'm under a microscope. I get driving complaints constantly, even though my driving record is probbably cleaner than your underwear. If someone next to me does a burnout at a light, I will get blamed because their car doesn't have a sign with a phone number on it. It's always MY fault when something goes wrong. How easy would your job be if everything that went wrong in your workplace got blamed on you, and your expected response was to apologize and take people's crap with a smile? Oh, and lets not forget about robberies. I've been chased down the street by armed thugs trying to rob me for 40 some dollars and a large pizza. Have you ever had that happen at your workplace? Please tell me how much money you think just that aspect of the job is worth, on an hourly basis.

I think people need to stop looking at it as 'oh, he just carries pizzas around and sits on his ass all day'. Its more like working in a call center, restaurant, and as a truck driver all rolled in to one. For $5.15 an hour plus tips, with little or no benefits even though its the 5th most dangerous job in the country. Its a high stress job. Jumpem, If you think its easy, why don't you take a vacation from your job for a little bit and try doing it for 60 hours a week, say for a month. I don't think you would even make it to 60 hours in one week.

Its really simple. If you don't want to tip, then come pick your pizza up yourself. After all, if its not THAT hard to do, then you should be fully capable of doing it yourself.

Some people say 15%, but I don't know any pizza guy who will complain about a $2 tip. If you can't or won't spend $2 to have someone deal with traffic, bad weather, the threat of robbery, and wear and tear on their own personal vehicle just to bring a hot pizza to your door, you're pretty pathetic and I hope you choke on your pizza and die. One less asshole I gotta deliver to 🙂

OH MY GOD!!! why the hell do we need to pick up our own pizza if we dont want to leave a tip. what is your fvcking title, retard? that's right, you're the PIZZA DELIVERY GUY!!! you deliver pizza. so if getting 5.15 isnt enough for you to deliver pizza then take it up with management or quit. i am pretty sure there are many other people who will want your job, and will be happy to do it with or without the tips.

:beer:
seriously - that was the most retarded argument for picking up pizzas yourself.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
:beer:
seriously - that was the most retarded argument for picking up pizzas yourself.

He's absolutely correct though. I'm tired of snotty people in the food service industry thinking tips are required, and must be quite generous at that.

 

[Zontor]

Originally posted by: nCred

Originally posted by: Zontor

Originally posted by: nCred
I´m white and I´ve never tipped anyone in my life.

Like eating bodily fluids, eh?

😀

Actually, I live in a country where you don´t tip, and I like it that way.

Fair enough....

_________________

So, do any restaurant management types have any comments?

 

[vood0g]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
i add 15% and then take the ceiling of that number.
eg. $10 charged. $1.50 tip.
ceiling( 10 + 1.50) --> leave $12

either that, or you can just take the tax (where sales tax is normally ~8%) and multiply that by 2. round up/down to the nearest dollar depending on how generous you are. that's how my wife does it.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
man some of you fvckers really are cheap. Usual service gets about 15-20%. 25%+ for good service. If you worked as a waiter, you realized that some of you people really are asses.

No, we just don't like feeling that you are owed 15% if you do a crappy job.

I generally tip ~13-18% for normal service (depending on what is conveniend in terms of bills and change I have,) up to 20% if service is exceptional, down to 0% if service is poor.

The problem I have is that when I tip poor, the wait staff thinks I am a cheap ass. I'm not a cheap ass, YOU SUCKED and didn't deserve more than I gave you.

One place I had service SO bad, and they were dumb enough to not remove the tip from the previous customers. Early on I put the tip in plain sight so they could realize their mistake and take it. They didn't, and we had the worst service ever. I ended up taking a couple bucks from the previous customer's tip and leaving what was left, which was somewhere around 5%.

It is an exception when I don't leave ~15%, please don't think me cheap when I don't, think about what you did or did not do that cost you the extra money. I worked in food service, I used to get tips, I have seen the other side. Try to think of what the customer may have had an issue with instead of getting mad at them because they are cheap. Complaining at someone who is already gone does nothing. Looking at what you could have done better and working to improve will help get you moving towards manager and away from the trenches.

 

[Doggiedog]

I once went to this Korean restaurant that was so rude to me (I'm Japanese) I was furious. They took their time coming around, served other people that came after us before us, made rude comments towards me in Korean (my wife is Korean and understood) and they expected me to tip them.

I paid them and expected my change. After waiting a few minutes, I realized they weren't going to give me my change so I demanded my change. I left them a penny in the glass when I left and my wife cursed them out.

I couldn't believe how obnoxious these people were and I didn't even do anything but want dinner. I am about the least demanding person and usually generous too. Even to this day, it boils my blood.

 

[krunchykrome]

I work at a resturaunt.
Whites tip good.
Blacks tip badly.
Indians tip the worst.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: poncherelli2
I know it sucks for those black people who are good customers and tip well, but when most black people come in, none of the servers want to take their table. I guess thats why there are lawsuits and stuff against dennys, but I do feel for the servers there who've probably been stiffed more times then I'd like to think about by ignorant patrons. Its by no means right, but I totally understand why it happens.

That doesn't sound racist, it IS racist. You are treating someone differently solely on the color of their skin. Everyone unknown deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Think this would happen if restaurants paid your full wages instead of customers... depending on the severity of the racism, and how racist the manager was you'd be anything from praised to fired based on the RESTAURANT'S policies, not based on who the wait person likes and dislikes.

Such a policy also invites corruption. You are the friend of the host/hostess, they sit people who tip well in your section for you. They sit people who tip crappy at some guy's table who he doesn't like so much. It's not merit based, or experience based it's based purely on who the host/hostess likes the best... a popularity contest. Isn't there enough of that in high school.

I worked in food service when I wasn't well enough educated to do anything else. All you need to deliver pizzas is a warm body with a car. Why does that deserve to be paid more than minimum wage? It's hard to screw up delivering a pizza unless you do it on purpose.

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
I once went to this Korean restaurant that was so rude to me (I'm Japanese) I was furious. They took their time coming around, served other people that came after us before us, made rude comments towards me in Korean (my wife is Korean and understood) and they expected me to tip them.

I paid them and expected my change. After waiting a few minutes, I realized they weren't going to give me my change so I demanded my change. I left them a penny in the glass when I left and my wife cursed them out.

I couldn't believe how obnoxious these people were and I didn't even do anything but want dinner. I am about the least demanding person and usually generous too. Even to this day, it boils my blood.

koreans dont like japanese cuz of what japanese did in korean occupation. older koreans mind you, i have no prob

 

[lightweight]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I love how they use the term black and white in here, it really works well to show his racism.

So which is the correct term for you? Retarded or Mentally Handicapped? Wouldn't want to offend.

handicapable 😉

 

[Ns1]

For valet parking, I tip normally $2-5, but I absolutely HATE valet parking. Will walk long distances to avoid it. It's not about being cheap. It's about protecting your vehicle. All you need to do is spend like 2 minutes listening to the valets tearing through the parking complexes to realize it.

i don't agree. i worked as a valet for 2.5 years, i never had a claim. but i did drive cars fast as sht =D. but then again i valet'ed my car and then it got hit...


however if you got the cash, tip like 5-20 up front (start up low and work your way up) and have them park your car someplace close

 

[DWW]

Originally posted by: Concillian

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316
man some of you fvckers really are cheap. Usual service gets about 15-20%. 25%+ for good service. If you worked as a waiter, you realized that some of you people really are asses.

No, we just don't like feeling that you are owed 15% if you do a crappy job.

I generally tip ~13-18% for normal service (depending on what is conveniend in terms of bills and change I have,) up to 20% if service is exceptional, down to 0% if service is poor.

The problem I have is that when I tip poor, the wait staff thinks I am a cheap ass. I'm not a cheap ass, YOU SUCKED and didn't deserve more than I gave you.

One place I had service SO bad, and they were dumb enough to not remove the tip from the previous customers. Early on I put the tip in plain sight so they could realize their mistake and take it. They didn't, and we had the worst service ever. I ended up taking a couple bucks from the previous customer's tip and leaving what was left, which was somewhere around 5%.

It is an exception when I don't leave ~15%, please don't think me cheap when I don't, think about what you did or did not do that cost you the extra money. I worked in food service, I used to get tips, I have seen the other side. Try to think of what the customer may have had an issue with instead of getting mad at them because they are cheap. Complaining at someone who is already gone does nothing. Looking at what you could have done better and working to improve will help get you moving towards manager and away from the trenches.

Way to go :roll:

 

[Nick5324]

I have a friend who has been a waitress for years. She has worked for a couple different resturants and i have heard countless stories of how blacks do not tip well at all. I have also heard from her that it is common occurance for blacks to eat ~90% of their meal, and then come up with a bogus complaint about the meal and demand to speak to the manager. After a quick conversation with the manager, they will recieve about 25% off their bill (sometimes a free meal) and leave a $1 tip. The waitstaff is familiar with numerous people who come in on a regualr basis and do this everytime. She said many times in this situation, as they are leaving they will make a comment to her along the lines of 'don't get mad about the tip, you don't deserve anything' or 'even though you are a lousy waitress, i left you a tip'. I've never worked as a server, but I can see how frustrated they become with situations like these.

 

[IHYLN]

wheres Dorkstar757, we need more "black people are oppressed" rhetoric!!!

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

$8/hr. seems about right for a pizza guy. It's a simple low skill job.

You can take your time delivering the pizza if you want. If it takes more than half an hour (that's generous since we live six miles from town) I simply won't pay for it. It's quite simple.

Piss and moan all you want, because I make a lot more than that, even after car expenses are accounted for. IT HELPS ME FINISH COLLEGE without taking on any more debt, you aSSumptive fool. I'm not un-ambitious, and I don't settle for anything.

Oh, BTW, where I work, if you don't pay, you don't get a pizza. (How's that for simple?) And if you drag a guy 6 miles (that's considered "long distance" in my book, BTW) only for you to not pay for your food, you're a dirtball. Do it twice, and after a short consultation with the manager on duty, you'll simply be placed on the "86" list (AKA, the ?too much BS list"). We simply won't take your delivery order anymore.

 

[maziwanka]

its not a race thing. its an income thing (not with tip percentage but with tippers vs stiffers).

edited: read some more of the thread

 

[vood0g]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: Jumpem

$8/hr. seems about right for a pizza guy. It's a simple low skill job.

You can take your time delivering the pizza if you want. If it takes more than half an hour (that's generous since we live six miles from town) I simply won't pay for it. It's quite simple.

Piss and moan all you want, because I make a lot more than that, even after car expenses are accounted for. IT HELPS ME FINISH COLLEGE without taking on any more debt, you aSSumptive fool. I'm not un-ambitious, and I don't settle for anything.

Oh, BTW, where I work, if you don't pay, you don't get a pizza. (How's that for simple?) And if you drag a guy 6 miles (that's considered "long distance" in my book, BTW) only for you to not pay for your food, you're a dirtball. Do it twice, and after a short consultation with the manager on duty, you'll simply be placed on the "86" list (AKA, the ?too much BS list"). We simply won't take your delivery order anymore.

what the hell are you talking about, fool? this topic is about people stiffing on tips. it's not about people not paying for the food. i am pretty sure pizza hut isnt going to put me on the "86" list just because i dont tip the delivery boy.