there's more precision in fahreinheit, why do others keep using celsius?

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iGas

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Born2bwire said:
Honestly, metric is completely arbitrary. There is absolutely no rhyme or reason to how they set the units.

A meter is distance travelled by light in 1/299792458 seconds? Sure ok, what ever.
A kilogram is the mass of a volume of water of the distance travelled by light in 1/299792458 seconds cubed? If you say so Frenchie.
100 grad is the boiling point of water? Yeah, I know exactly how hot that feels. :rolleyes:

The English system is the only system that actually makes any real world sense.

0 is the freezing point of salt water, like in our bodies.
100 is the internal temperature of the human body and boy that's not a hard thing to find in a pinch is it?
1 foot is the length of the average human foot, I think most people have one of those.
1 yard is three feet. Even beauty contest entrants can count to three.
1 mile is 1000 paces. You can walk and count at the same time can't you?
1 pound is 7000 pieces of grain, the true standard of the average farmer.
1 acre is the area plowed by a typical farmer and ox in a day.

These are the units of the people, something that the average person can relate to, not set by some high-faluting pie-in-the-sky Gaullic scientist who wouldn't know the first thing about living in the real world. And you know, for all their little mathematical knowledge and calculating machines, they sure whine a lot about having to divide by something as simple as three or four. Yeah, now who looks dumb, eh?
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0F is the temperature that Mr. Fahrenheit was able to easily replica in his lab, not because it is the freezing temperature of human liquid.
98.6F = body temperature.
1 foot = who foot is it? a man foot, a woman foot, a child foot, a WASP foot, an African foot, an Asian foot, or a Brit foot (their average human foot isn't any where near 12") I'm taller than an average person and my foot is 257mm or 10 1/4".
1 yard = how many miles, inches, it is about 3 1/2 X the length of my foot, could be more or less for other people.
1 mile = 1000 paces, are you sure it is 1000 paces? a basket ball player paces or a midget paces?
1 pound = 7000 grains, see my post above to see how retarded weight measurement in imperial is.
1 acre = when was the last time you saw an ox plowed a field? Get on with progress, use machine to do your work, and logical/advance system for measurement & calculation.

That the case, then people like you & the OP should go back to writing Sanskrit on stone, and stop posting, emailing & stop using the internet, because it doesn't have a long history and isn't develop by the average person or farmer.
 
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fstime

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Only on the internet does this turn into a 8 page discussion.

Some of you need to get outside the house.
 
Born2bwire

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iGas said:
0F is the temperature that Mr. Fahrenheit was able to easily replica in his lab, not because it is the freezing temperature of human liquid.
98.6F = body temperature.
1 foot = who foot is it? a man foot, a woman foot, a child foot, a WASP foot, an African foot, an Asian foot, or a Brit foot (their average human foot isn't any where near 12") I'm taller than an average person and my foot is 257mm or 10 1/4".
1 yard = how many miles, inches, it is about 3 1/2 X the length of my foot, could be more or less for other people.
1 mile = 1000 paces, are you sure it is 1000 paces? a basket ball player paces or a midget paces?
1 pound = 7000 grains, see my post above to see how retarded weight measurement in imperial is.
1 acre = when was the last time you saw an ox plowed a field? Get on with progress, use machine to do your work, and logical/advance system for measurement & calculation.

That the case, then people like you & the OP should go back to writing Sanskrit on stone, and stop posting, emailing & stop using the internet, because it doesn't have a long history and isn't develop by the average person or farmer.
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Typical arrogant Euro-centric thinking. You do realize that there are people in the world who are not as blessed with the luxuries of electricity and motorized vehicles? Large portions of the populations in Africa, Asia, and even South America still rely on animal husbandry to supply the majority of their "mechanized" power. You would work to alienate a large percentage of the world's population just because you have become disconnected with thousands of years of human civilization? Please.

And in answer to your other so-called "criticisms," obviously there is a standard foot and pace that is selected. We can easily choose a well known figure to as the basis of merit, say a king. In this way since everybody knows the king everybody will obviously know the proper metric to use and compensate accordingly. The other simple solution is to simply take the average of a localities foot length. That way, everyone of a local region will be able to mark out reasonable distances with a minimum of deviation from from the accepted standard.

Of course there are these wonderful devices that contain predetermined markings of agreed upon standards of measurement. These devices are widely distributed throughout the populace for a nominal fee and provides the ability for anyone to become intimately familiar with the specific standard of the nation's foot length or other similar metrics.
 
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Colt45 said:
I'm not sure WTF you're getting at there.
VW is hard metric. I'd assume Toyota is too. Ford and GM are half and half, hardware at least. Not sure at the drafting stage.
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I'm not sure about VW, but Toyota is not fully metricized.

Colt45 said:
No Idea what the oil Co's use, I would assume that depends on the specific installation, being global outfits.

Royal Dutch Shell (458) .........NL
BP (367).................................UK
Toyota (204)..........................JP
Volkswagen (167)..................DE
Say what again?
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If they do business with the United States or manufacture their products stateside (refineries, plants, part manufacturing/sourcing), they use and will continue to use imperial units. Thus all of the firms above will require costs to retool and fully metricize.

The "American firms" part refer to all US-based or US-created business entities that participate in international commerce, not specifically referring to the selected firms above.
 
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Arcadio said:
That's because Celsius uses 0 as the freezing point of water and 100 as the boiling point of water. That makes it easier to use and understand. Same with the rest of the metric system.
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There's more to it.

A cubic centimeter of water is exactly one gram. Therefore 1 kilogram (1000g) equals also one liter of water. So..."our" system makes more sense than yours and things are in a relationship...while "your" system is just weird :)

The English system is the only system that actually makes any real world sense.

0 is the freezing point of salt water, like in our bodies.
100 is the internal temperature of the human body and boy that's not a hard thing to find in a pinch is it?
1 foot is the length of the average human foot, I think most people have one of those.
1 yard is three feet. Even beauty contest entrants can count to three.
1 mile is 1000 paces. You can walk and count at the same time can't you?
1 pound is 7000 pieces of grain, the true standard of the average farmer.
1 acre is the area plowed by a typical farmer and ox in a day.
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roflmao. I think the LEAST thing i can expect is to give a system a *somewhat* scientific background - and not nonsense like "the average human foot" or "how far the ox travels if its well fed".

Metric system makes sense, it also goes hand in hand with the math we use which is a decimal system. 1- 10 -100 -1000 etc.

"1 yard is three feet"...where's the logic...same with 7000 pieces of grain. Its totally counter productive, that's also the reason that for science the metric system is used and not that "ox math" :)
 
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MotF Bane said:
USA NASA shouldn't use metric at all, how's that? :p
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NASA is metric too. It's the fucking contractors that forgot that.

Yeah, you try to tell the international scientific community NASA is abandoning SI...

I think the NASA scientists will hunt you down first. You have single handedly made them the laughing stock of the scientific community :biggrin:
 
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All these non-americans seem to think we have no idea what the metric system is.

"It's so easy OMG just multiply/divide by ten!!" No shit, we learned that in 3rd fucking grade. As about two dozen posters have already pointed out, the US already uses the metric system in just about every industry. MPH, Gallons, F, Pounds, etc are for everyday use.

When I was in the military we used mils and meters so even a dumb private could compute machine gun ranges/trajectory's in his head. Works great, but we still moved at MPH and weiged our gear in pounds. Big fuckin deal.

The company I work for now does software for contractors, it allows the user to do thier units in Feet/Meters/Yards. Simple drop down list, it aint rocket science. Accurate down to a 32 bit floating point variable, which is well beyond the precision any home builder is going to need.
 
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Born2bwire said:
Typical arrogant Euro-centric thinking. You do realize that there are people in the world who are not as blessed with the luxuries of electricity and motorized vehicles? Large portions of the populations in Africa, Asia, and even South America still rely on animal husbandry to supply the majority of their "mechanized" power. You would work to alienate a large percentage of the world's population just because you have become disconnected with thousands of years of human civilization? Please.

And in answer to your other so-called "criticisms," obviously there is a standard foot and pace that is selected. We can easily choose a well known figure to as the basis of merit, say a king. In this way since everybody knows the king everybody will obviously know the proper metric to use and compensate accordingly. The other simple solution is to simply take the average of a localities foot length. That way, everyone of a local region will be able to mark out reasonable distances with a minimum of deviation from from the accepted standard.

Of course there are these wonderful devices that contain predetermined markings of agreed upon standards of measurement. These devices are widely distributed throughout the populace for a nominal fee and provides the ability for anyone to become intimately familiar with the specific standard of the nation's foot length or other similar metrics.
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Screw all the scientific advancements, progress, and norms...
Lets keep "standards" established 5000 year ago in Egypt...
:rolleyes:
 
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Train said:
Far more errors have been caused by misplacing a decimal point, which is exacly how you change units in metric.
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lol whut? decimal point has nothing to do with the measuring unit... you can have 3.5" you know.

you honestly think converting inches to feet is easier than converting cm to m?
 
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A fair number of people screw up on converting between cgs and SI units too, so it's not like the metric system is foolproof. As a matter of fact, one could argue that because the conversion is done solely by raising the powers of 10 it's more error prone for someone who's careless.
 
sandorski

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Parasitic said:
A fair number of people screw up on converting between cgs and SI units too, so it's not like the metric system is foolproof. As a matter of fact, one could argue that because the conversion is done solely by raising the powers of 10 it's more error prone for someone who's careless.
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Any Math can have errors. This is not News.
 
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sandorski said:
Any Math can have errors. This is not News.
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If any math can have errors, then what's the big deal of making conversions in imperial units?

If you can keep track of your conversion factors, there will be little chance in errors.

And no, we Americans don't sit around converting meters to feet to inches to miles all day for no reason.
 
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Parasitic said:
If any math can have errors, then what's the big deal of making conversions in imperial units?
If you can keep track of your conversion factors, there will be little chance in errors.

And no, we Americans don't sit around converting meters to feet to inches to miles all day for no reason.
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Arbitrary Units requiring many different Equations just to perform Simple Tasks.
 
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sandorski said:
No Proof offered....aka Google Results are not Proof.
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theres a million examples of misplaced decimal disasters! Hello? I though metric users were smart?

You know how much money is lost each year on misplaced decimal points? Its right there if you want to read it.
 
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Parasitic said:
A fair number of people screw up on converting between cgs and SI units too, so it's not like the metric system is foolproof. As a matter of fact, one could argue that because the conversion is done solely by raising the powers of 10 it's more error prone for someone who's careless.
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It's even more fun when you're using ANSYS.

Units aren't labeled anywhere.
For example:
Yield Strength: 30000
Density: 0.294

But what are the units? Even if you tell it to use "SI" or "BIN" (SI vs English), the text boxes elsewhere in the program still don't tell you exactly what they're using (psi? ksi? psf?). You need to have it memorized, or else hope it's in the help file somewhere.

Fortunately, their newer iteration of ANSYS, ANSYS Workbench, does incorporate the amazingly revolutionary idea of unit-labeling.
 
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