there's more precision in fahreinheit, why do others keep using celsius?

[sandorski]

No, he is saying the measurement of 2 7/20 gallons is retarded, which it is.

For everyday use the imperial system is fine. I have no trouble visualizing a distance of 2 miles, or a table that is 3.5 feet tall. When I'm doing physics or some shit then I use metric for ease of conversion in math, but its harder for me to visualize something 1.23 meters tall.

Sure, I can easily tell its 123 centimeters tall, but really what benefit does that give me when its even harder for me to imagine something given in centimeters?


I'm not going to need to tell someone a distance in both feet and miles. If it can be rounded to "about a mile", its absurd to tell someone "oh, its about 5,280 feet away"

I agree, it is Retarded, however it is a possibility.

 

[Parasitic]

Scenario: Someone hands you a container of liquid. They want you to record the Volume in Ounces, all you have for Measuring the liquid is a container that measures Gallons. 2 7/20 Gallons is the result.

Compute to ounces.

Suggest one real scenario when that will occur. Three people have told you that you won't get a reading of gallons per twentieths. For most people they will rarely run into this problem.

The example you give is about as meaningful as measuring how much a piece of paper weighs and expressing it in mega Daltons, or that asking for readings in mV when given eV.

 

[Parasitic]

Not really correct. Some people still use the Imperial system in their personal LIves. Everything else is Metric, most Grocery Stores will also list Imperial measures with Produce/Meat/Bulk Products, but Metric measurements are always used.

That's exactly my point. Canada is only partially metric. We don't run into problems like that in the US.

 

[sandorski]

That's exactly my point. Canada is only partially metric. We don't run into problems like that in the US.

Incorrect. It is Fully Metric with only partial Imperial remnants remaining.

 

[sandorski]

Suggest one real scenario when that will occur. Three people have told you that you won't get a reading of gallons per twentieths. For most people they will rarely run into this problem.

The example you give is about as meaningful as measuring how much a piece of paper weighs and expressing it in mega Daltons, or that asking for readings in mV when given eV.

I already did

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Scenario: Someone hands you a container of liquid. They want you to record the Volume in Ounces, all you have for Measuring the liquid is a container that measures Gallons. 2 7/20 Gallons is the result.
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[Parasitic]

Incorrect. It is Fully Metric with only partial Imperial remnants remaining.

Hence not fully metric. A fully metric country would be like Japan, where markings on the road will only be in km. Temperature will only be in Celsius, and weights are only in grams or kilograms.

In the US at this moment only a few short stretches of highway near border states will have signs in km alongside miles.

 

[Sumguy]

I agree, it is Retarded, however it is a possibility.

k, so you have 2 7/20 gallons=14/20 gallons=7/10 gallons

Theres 128 fluid ounces per gallon, so 12.8*7=89.6 ounces


Counter question: Where the shit did you find something that has gallons marked off every twentieth of a gallon?

edit: lol oops...read that number totally wrong

2 7/20 gallons=47/20 gallons

so its 47*6.4=300.8 ounces

Still, realistically I haven't seen anything measured in fluid ounces once it passes ~30 ounces.

 

[us3rnotfound]

I already did

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Scenario: Someone hands you a container of liquid. They want you to record the Volume in Ounces, all you have for Measuring the liquid is a container that measures Gallons. 2 7/20 Gallons is the result.
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Shit, I'd rather say 2 1/3 gal than 300 fl. oz. myself.

I have never seen volume listed as above 30 fl. oz, so it actually just wouldn't happen outside of a 4th grade math booklet.

 

[Parasitic]

I already did

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Scenario: Someone hands you a container of liquid. They want you to record the Volume in Ounces, all you have for Measuring the liquid is a container that measures Gallons. 2 7/20 Gallons is the result.
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It's not a real scenario because you won't read 2 and 7/20 of a gallon. Containers will having markers in ((1/2)^n)th of a gallon in between. However, to entertain your pointless question, it's 300 fluid ounces.

 

[sandorski]

Hence not fully metric. A fully metric country would be like Japan, where markings on the road will only be in km. Temperature will only be in Celsius, and weights are only in grams or kilograms.

In the US at this moment only a few short stretches of highway near border states will have signs in km alongside miles.

Same up here the other way around.

Metric is everywhere here. There are no Regions without Metric used on everything.

 

[Parasitic]

I have never seen volume listed as above 30 fl. oz, so it actually just wouldn't happen outside of a 4th grade math booklet.

It probably does happen in Canada, which is why he somehow thinks Americans are retarded to keep using imperial units in the same meaningless way they do up north.

 

[Parasitic]

Same up here the other way around.

Metric is everywhere here. There are no Regions without Metric used on everything.

It's not fully metric in the sense that you still have funny units like "per 400g" and F around.

 

[sandorski]

k, so you have 2 7/20 gallons=14/20 gallons=7/10 gallons

Theres 128 fluid ounces per gallon, so 12.8*7=89.6 ounces


Counter question: Where the shit did you find something that has gallons marked off every twentieth of a gallon?

You Measured and found 7/19ths to be too much and 1/3rd too little. 7/20ths was just right.

For the exercise it doesn't matter if x/20ths are commonly used for Measurement or not. All that matters is the Result of the Measurement.

 

[Train]

Ironically, Canada is one of the few countries that has two official languages

If you really wanted to play the "simplify" card. tell me why Metric never solved the problem of "Show 7 hours, 17 minutes worked as just hours, for payroll"

Tell me why we still use a base 10 number system, when in thie modern age, a number system based on a power of 2 (i.e. 8 or 16) would be WAY more accurate. I still have to convert decimal to Hex/binary or back quite often when dealing with data.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Why do you guys care about arguing this? Let Americans use their silly system, it doesn't affect me one bit if they want to torture themselves with imperial units.

"Simple tasks"? such as? Dividing 60 by 12? Oh fuck without a calculator the only kind of math I know how to do is divide by ten because its easy!!! Im a fuckin EUROPEEEEEAN scientist!! I cant do anything not involving EASY factors of 10 because I chisel my work into cave walls and dont have computers or calculators. Gawd damn ameruhkins!

However this argument is silly. The idea that we use metric because we're not smart enough to use imperial measurements is specious.

You could put your bed on a high platform with a 10 meter ladder if you wanted, why don't you do that? Is it because you're physically incapable of climbing a 10 meter ladder, you fat fuck? Or is it just because it makes getting to bed unnecessarily difficult? Same with units. We use metric not because we're incapable of using caveman units, but because it's a PITA.

 

[MotF Bane]

Ironically, Canada is one of the few countries that has two official languages

If you really wanted to play the "simplify" card. tell me why Metric never solved the problem of "Show 7 hours, 17 minutes worked as just hours, for payroll"

Tell me why we still use a base 10 number system, when in thie modern age, a number system based on a power of 2 (i.e. 8 or 16) would be WAY more accurate. I still have to convert decimal to Hex/binary or back quite often when dealing with data.

Good luck teaching that system in schools. The teachers probably wouldn't get it, let alone the children.

 

[sandorski]

It's not fully metric in the sense that you still have funny units like "per 400g" and F around.

400? 454g = lb--haven't really seen this used, unpackaged items are usually sold in 100g or 1kg increments.

F is probably for US Tourists, I don't know any Canadian who uses F any more

I see your point though, it just seemed at first to sound like something else.

 

[Parasitic]

You Measured and found 7/19ths to be too much and 1/3rd too little. 7/20ths was just right.

For the exercise it doesn't matter if x/20ths are commonly used for Measurement or not. All that matters is the Result of the Measurement.

7/19? There is no measuring device that will be silly enough to measure things in that scale.
What you're discussing is a matter of precision and not a real problem.

Why do you guys care about arguing this? Let Americans use their silly system, it doesn't affect me one bit if they want to torture themselves with imperial units.

Of course it doesn't affect you because our systems work fine now and you benefit from it. NZ is less important globally than General Motors, a semi-failing company, when you compared your nominal GDP to how much gross revenue GM pulls in. NZ could disappear from the face of the earth and it still has less impact compared to GM going bankrupt.

Like I've mentioned earlier, the costs of retooling are so high than it's cost prohibitive to fully metricize, so the US uses this dichotomous system today. The only time I had to do a metric-to-imperial calculation at work in real life was when I had to order a column for chromatography and needed to figure out the inner diameters of tubing and connectors in inches. Even then was more or less a "part number" in a way that you just looked up what the corresponding sizes are and on a chart you figured out how big they ought to be.

 

[Train]

Let Americans use their silly system, it doesn't affect me one bit if they want to torture themselves with imperial units.

However this argument is silly. The idea that we use metric because we're not smart enough to use imperial measurements is specious.

You could put your bed on a high platform with a 10 meter ladder if you wanted, why don't you do that? Is it because you're physically incapable of climbing a 10 meter ladder, you fat fuck? Or is it just because it makes getting to bed unnecessarily difficult? Same with units. We use metric not because we're incapable of using caveman units, but because it's a PITA.

I'm a fat fuck? I'm 5'10", 175 pounds, and in great shape. I'm pretty sure thats only 7/20th the weight of your fat ass.

 

[Parasitic]

400? 454g = lb--haven't really seen this used, unpackaged items are usually sold in 100g or 1kg increments.

F is probably for US Tourists, I don't know any Canadian who uses F any more

I see your point though, it just seemed at first to sound like something else.

A few years back when I visited Vancouver some of the markets sold things by the pound and listed meat prices per 400g.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I'm a fat fuck? I'm 5'10", 175 pounds, and in great shape. I'm pretty sure thats only 7/20th the weight of your fat ass.

Are you that stupid? That comment was a response to you implying that people like me are too stupid to use imperial. FFS you're a moran.

 

[sandorski]

It's not a real scenario because you won't read 2 and 7/20 of a gallon. Containers will having markers in ((1/2)^n)th of a gallon in between. However, to entertain your pointless question, it's 300 fluid ounces.

The Point of the question is to show the increased Complexity involved using the Imperial system. In order to complete the Calculation, you had to use a Memorized Value(or accessed a Chart/Table) before beginning the Calculation.

OTOH, switching to Metric you don't need some Arbitrary Memorized Value

for eg
2 7/20 Litres---->cl(CentiLitre) aka cc(Cubic Centimetre)
2.35 Fraction--->Decimal
235cl/CC L--->cl/cc

The very names of the Metric Units(other than the Base) give the Values required for Calculation. There is no need to memorize arbitrary Values.

 

[sandorski]

A few years back when I visited Vancouver some of the markets sold things by the pound and listed meat prices per 400g.

Ahh ok. Not really standard practice.

 

[Parasitic]

The Point of the question is to show the increased Complexity involved using the Imperial system. In order to complete the Calculation, you had to use a Memorized Value(or accessed a Chart/Table) before beginning the Calculation.

OTOH, switching to Metric you don't need some Arbitrary Memorized Value

for eg
2 7/20 Litres---->cl(CentiLitre) aka cc(Cubic Centimetre)
2.35 Fraction--->Decimal
235cl/CC L--->cl/cc

The very names of the Metric Units(other than the Base) give the Values required for Calculation. There is no need to memorize arbitrary Values.

Most people with some basic ideas already know that. Train's argument was not that imperial units are better than metric units, but instead that no one outside the United States seems to understand how we work with imperial units. You for instance have demonstrated that by providing a scenario that will not be commonplace at all in ordinary life.

As I mentioned and would say again, in specialized fields such as science and engineering the preferred units are and will continue to be metric units.

 

[Train]

Are you that stupid? That comment was a response to you implying that people like me are too stupid to use imperial. FFS you're a moran.

Because "people like you" keep saying imperial is a pain in the ass. Which ironically, you said exactly that in the same post! uh duh.