there's more precision in fahreinheit, why do others keep using celsius?

[sdifox]

A few years back when I visited Vancouver some of the markets sold things by the pound and listed meat prices per 400g.

Them store owners be Amerincans :biggrin:

400g is an odd unit. 454g I can see since that is a pound. Although officially the country is metric, reality is there is a lot of people alive who know and use Imperial. It will go away eventually.

Legally everything has to be labelled and sold in metric, but the metric prices tend to be in a smaller font than the Imperial markings.

 

[sandorski]

Most people with some basic ideas already know that. Train's argument was not that imperial units are better than metric units, but instead that no one outside the United States seems to understand how we work with imperial units. You for instance have demonstrated that by providing a scenario that will not be commonplace at all in ordinary life.

As I mentioned and would say again, in specialized fields such as science and engineering the preferred units are and will continue to be metric units.

True enough. So you'll come to the Dark Side with us now? :hmm:

 

[sdifox]

whoosh. That was the point going over your head.

Go whoosh yourself. You missed my point. You guys use decimals with Imperial measurements. So 1.5 lb is a reality. How is the math different than say 1.5kg?

The point I was trying to make is this : I don't care what unit of measurement you use, be it US customary units or Metric, the numeral system is still Decimal. Hence your argument regarding misplaced decimal points is not valid.

and I pasted this from wikipedia so you can read it and think about it

"
The vast majority of U.S. customary units have been defined in terms of the meter and the kilogram since the Mendenhall Order of 1893 (and, in practice, for many years before that date).[2] These definitions were refined in 1959.[3]
"

 

[coolVariable]

Fahrenheit are retarded like the rest of the non-metric system.
There is a reason why science uses C or K.
I guess we have to keep Fahrenheit around for the retards.

 

[Parasitic]

Them store owners be Amerincans :biggrin:

400g is an odd unit. 454g I can see since that is a pound. Although officially the country is metric, reality is there is a lot of people alive who know and use Imperial. It will go away eventually.

Legally everything has to be labelled and sold in metric, but the metric prices tend to be in a smaller font than the Imperial markings.

Probably because 400g is close to a pound (so they sell it in prices of 400g), similar to how you guys get milk in 4L jugs instead of a gallon (3.79L).

 

[Parasitic]

True enough. So you'll come to the Dark Side with us now? :hmm:

I'm a chemical engineer who works in the sciences. Most of the stuff I do now are already in metrics. Canada needs to offer enough incentives for me to want to move there. So far not salting the roads and being ridiculously cold 8 months out of the year don't do it for me.

 

[zinfamous]

Metric + Celcius > rubbish + Fahrenheit

 

[Parasitic]

Fahrenheit are retarded like the rest of the non-metric system.
There is a reason why science uses C or K.
I guess we have to keep Fahrenheit around for the retards.

At least the US is not as nonsensical as the UK and HK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system
However, a number of other jurisdictions have laws mandating or permitting other systems of measurement in some or all contexts, such as the United Kingdom — where for example the Traffic Sign Regulations only allow distance signs displaying imperial units (miles or yards)...

Showing the distance in miles while everything else is in metric is pointless and retarded.

 

[Locut0s]

How can this even be an argument?!?

#1 The term precision makes no sense when talking about a system of measurement completely separate from an instrument OF measurement. Any system can be made arbitrarily precise via the use of this new fangled thing we call the decimal place. It's the measuring instrument that is said to be precise or imprecise not the system of measurement.

#2 Metric Rules

 

[sandorski]

I'm a chemical engineer who works in the sciences. Most of the stuff I do now are already in metrics. Canada needs to offer enough incentives for me to want to move there. So far not salting the roads and being ridiculously cold 8 months out of the year don't do it for me.

Roads get Salted/Sanded, at least out here(BC) they do.

 

[sdifox]

Probably because 400g is close to a pound (so they sell it in prices of 400g), similar to how you guys get milk in 4L jugs instead of a gallon (3.79L).

Doesn't make sense still since it is usually $X/lb $Y/kg so I don't get the 400g at all. It doesn't serve the imperial crowd nor does it serve the metric crowd.

 

[Locut0s]

Roads get Salted/Sanded, at least out here(BC) they do.

And as far as I know they salt them 10x more out east. But then who wants to live out east when we have Vancouver!?

 

[Parasitic]

Doesn't make sense still since it is usually $X/lb $Y/kg so I don't get the 400g at all. It doesn't serve the imperial crowd nor does it serve the metric crowd.

They probably bought it at $ per pound and rounded off the 54g when they resold it.

 

[Parasitic]

And as far as I know they salt them 10x more out east. But then who wants to live out east when we have Vancouver!?

I heard that in Alberta they don't bother to salt the roads because it snows so much. This came from the words of a Canadian professor who came to give a talk.

 

[sandorski]

I heard that in Alberta they don't bother to salt the roads because it snows so much. This came from the words of a Canadian professor who came to give a talk.

Doesn't Snow that much there, but it's sooo cold(-20c---- -40c for long periods during Winter) that Salt would have no effect.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Yes, you can edit titles. You can even do it from the main OT page. Click in the open space to the right of your thread title.

ahhh, it's under "go advanced".
thx.

No wonder why you can't get your head around metric...

 

[sdifox]

They probably bought it at $ per pound and rounded off the 54g when they resold it.

lol instant 13.5% mark-up.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

It's because we live on a planet that orbits a star.

Which is relevant to the numbers 7, 12, 24, 52, 60, and 365 why? Oh yeah... just because. At least the 7 comes from religious reasons. The 12, 24 and 60 possibly due to the relation of a circle, but otherwise equally arbitrary. The others are just best-fits.

12, 24 and 60 also derive from religious reasons, as 12 was thought to be a holy number, the same with multiples thereof.

 

[meltdown75]

I'm a chemical engineer who works in the sciences. Most of the stuff I do now are already in metrics. Canada needs to offer enough incentives for me to want to move there. So far not salting the roads and being ridiculously cold 8 months out of the year don't do it for me.

they salt the living shit out of the roads in SW Ontario

 

[PlasmaBomb]

You might want to check that...

probably. i remembered it being more of convenience than by design, but i'm too lazy to dust off any books that might explain it.

also, why can't i quote a quote? lame vB

It is lame, you have to use the multiquote feature, which is annoying if the posts are separated by a large gap.

K = C + 273

(you transposed C and K).

 

[PlasmaBomb]

or

C = K - 273

(you transposed C and K).

Darn double posted

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

How can this even be an argument?!?

#1 The term precision makes no sense when talking about a system of measurement completely separate from an instrument OF measurement. Any system can be made arbitrarily precise via the use of this new fangled thing we call the decimal place. It's the measuring instrument that is said to be precise or imprecise not the system of measurement.

#2 Metric Rules

hey look, just because u chinese and all, doesn't mean you're better at math than us whiteys.

 

[BladeVenom]

People who want Celsius think because it's part of the metric system it's magically better. They are not thinking logically for themselves; they just believe it's better because they have been told that it' more "scientific." There's no benefit to using Celsius. Kelvin is more useful, even Rankine is better than Celsius. The starting point of Celsius is −273.15 °C, that's just retarded. Could imagine if the rest of the metric system used such a retarded starting point instead of nothing being zero. Imagine an empty gasoline tank holding -273 liters of gas, and a full gas tank holding -173 liters of gas, and then tell me Celsius isn't retarded. If you want to switch from Fahrenheit at least switch to a better system. Which is of course Kelvin.

Fahrenheit is not completely arbitrary. A 180 degrees between the opposite states of water seems very logical. Fahrenheit was made to be a handy measurement system that didn't need fractions in typical usage. Anyone who thinks it's completely arbitrary should read up on the basics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farenheit

 

[sandorski]

People who want Celsius think because it's part of the metric system it's magically better. They are not thinking logically for themselves; they just believe it's better because they have been told that it' more "scientific." There's no benefit to using Celsius. Kelvin is more useful, even Rankine is better than Celsius. The starting point of Celsius is −273.15 °C, that's just retarded. Could imagine if the rest of the metric system used such a retarded starting point instead of nothing being zero. Imagine an empty gasoline tank holding -273 liters of gas, and a full gas tank holding -173 liters of gas, and then tell me Celsius isn't retarded. If you want to switch from Fahrenheit at least switch to a better system. Which is of course Kelvin.

Fahrenheit is not completely arbitrary. A 180 degrees between the opposite states of water seems very logical. Fahrenheit was made to be a handy measurement system that didn't need fractions in typical usage. Anyone who thinks it's completely arbitrary should read up on the basics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farenheit

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Edit
Ah, ok, I get what you're saying now. That makes some sense and I can see how that makes it Consistent with the other measurements, but I still think having 0c as Freezing point of Water is a more Practical scale for everyday use. Simply because there are 2 States of Temperature that are a Danger, Hot and Cold. 0 is a good separation of the 2 and though the Heat/Cold Values don't match in Intensity, they are relatively close and easy to understand. The bigger issue though is with having the Measurement to be relatively easy to Self-Verify. Achieving Absolute Zero is not a simple task, Freezing Water is.

 

[Train]

Go whoosh yourself. You missed my point. You guys use decimals with Imperial measurements. So 1.5 lb is a reality. How is the math different than say 1.5kg?

Because to convert 1.5kg to grams you move the decimal point. To convert 1.5 pounds to ounces you multiply by 16. Which is do you think is easier to screw up? Here's a hint: its the "easy" one.

The stupid example someone posted was where a contractor used inches instead of centimeters (IIRC), this doesnt mean the non-metric was the mistake. It could have been just as bad assuming the measurement was in mm vs cm, or cm vs meters, etc.