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Fern

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Bird222
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
So...back to the topic: Why is the NC GOP doing this before the gubernatorial primaries, when there are still two Democrats in the race and the commercial will be long out of their minds when NC holds its general election for governor in the fall?
You know why.
I really don't.

If they have limited resources and they want to get a Republican governor elected, they'd wait until the fall.
Assuming they were gonna run it now, the only reason I can think is to encourage Dem voters to go for Hillary.

Maybe they wanna see the Dem primary contest extended, maybe even a convention fight?

But that seems a bit farfetched to me.

Fern

Apologies for quoting myself, but seeing all the coverage about this commercial really had me thinking about WHY NOW?

Well, I finally came up with something that might make sense. Obama has been credited with bringing in a lot of new voters, getting them registered as Dems.

Well, the Repub party in NC is certainly gonna want to restrict that as much as they can. The (new) people/voters are likely to vote a straight Dem ticket meaning all the less likley any Repubs are gonna get elected to NC state office.

The huge amount of new voters registering here as Dems has been well publicized in our newspapers. This must have been worrying to the state Repub party. This must be their best response to limit this.

Fern
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
a: first of all what did you mean by "purple" ?

M: Jhhnn said:

"Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly."

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way..."

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example..."

and lupi responded with:

"You an absolute idiot if you think the color of skin, place of birth, or anything else makes you immune of or prone to racism."

Aside from the fact that this is wrong, as another poster pointed out, it has nothing whatsoever to do with what Jhhnn said. It is as related to Jhhnn's comment as it is related to purple.
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a: And it is not a fault of either of us .. we are cooperating right now in apparent obfuscation.

M: I don't know what this means either.

a: You take a lot of words and an analogy - at least - to say with nearly the maximum amount of words ,what you say over-and-over and self-hate is the beat to your message.

M: I'm supposed to worry or care?

a: For example .. you were "about" to thank Jhhnn?
- for doing what you said you couldn't do, yet you added to what he said with another "reference to self hate" that implies that you are also a pig creating a sty.

M: Not what I couldn't do. I agree with and know what he said. I am fatigued by the endless need to say the obvious over and over again when the same old crap will still get repeated. I have the energy, however, to tell jhhnn, who has good insight in my opinion, why what he said works out as it does. Showing how everything in the world comes back to self hate is what I do. I see it as key to human survival. We either wake up or go extinct, as I see it. Unconscious self hate is leading us to extinction. It's the E=MC2 of the future, the obvious truth nobody wants to believe.
Well did you thank him, or were you just "about to" ?
--And your entire premise is wrong. You are no Einstein [sorry :p]
in your world E does not = MC2; you have NO proof


a: And how do you know how a "self-hater" feels - not all share your personal experiences nor is all self-hate necessarily destructive or a self-fulfilling "fake"

M: How do I know. Hehe, I wonder. I've taken some journeys into what I feel and knew other divers. We are all the same. The personal is just detail. We all feel like the worst in the world. Can you please tell me some of the benefits of self hate? I'm curious.[/quote]
Yes, How DO you know your journey is "typical"? No we are not the "same" ... Your God's "one shoe fits all" is insane"; he is full of hate and says he is "love" - he says you have "free will" but he will execute you if you really try to use it - that IS insane!

You yourself have given the benefit of "self hate"; without it you would not be aware; there is nothing to compare with in your perfect DULL new homogenius "Big Father" world
a: Actually pigs are clean by nature and you must not confuse the domesticated and unnaturally kept varieties of the "pigs" in your example - with pigs.

M: Must not? The ones I refer to are very unnatural in my opinion. I don't mind relying on stereotype to make a point.
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Your "pig" are not pigs .. you make them into something "unclean" like the superstitious Jews did; i thought your god makes things "perfect"; you appear to be disgusted by his work

Now we have Rev. Wright trying to *explain* .. and he IS saying Obama is a "POLITICIAN" and He is a "preacher"
.. good move




 

lupi

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Apoppy, I'm also interested in hearing the rest of that new Wright interview. From the little snippet shown it's almost like he's sailing BHO up the river out of spite.

Q:what did you think of Barrack's speach on race in philedelphia

A: Barrack's a politician and I'm a preacher. He had to answer as a politician.

Some serious WTF brewing there to me.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Dari
get back to me when you think it's OK to have a relationship with someone who is a fanatic for political expediency but it isn't OK to have a relationship with someone you've known whose remarks are being taken out of context. If they aren't being taken out of context (as you may respond), let me ask you if you've listened to the entire tapes? My guess is you haven't so you aren't in any position to pass judgement, lest you prefer to be accused of taking things out of context.
Obama needs to be asked those questions, he's the one who kicked wright off his campaign. if the words were simply taken out of context, why did Obama condemn what he said?
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: lupi
Apoppy, I'm also interested in hearing the rest of that new Wright interview. From the little snippet shown it's almost like he's sailing BHO up the river out of spite.

Q:what did you think of Barrack's speach on race in philedelphia

A: Barrack's a politician and I'm a preacher. He had to answer as a politician.

Some serious WTF brewing there to me.
They are both selfish - and stupid

and are out of synch with other; out of synch with their Party and now the Voters

they have become a freak show and America is getting annoyed and .. worst .. BORED



Just look at MCLame - he is SO smug as he tells his dogs to "wait"
:clock:

Late October he will unleash them to Savage what is Left of Obama
- look, they are showing *more* of the clips .. so we seem the same - what white people see as "craziness" - repeated over-and-over

Obama already lost .. his last chance is to deal with Hillary - Today
 

Bird222

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Originally posted by: lupi

Yeah, I don't know where in the USoKKA we could ever find those type of statements. And definitely don't ask the Hillary campaign about them; after all since she's not been called ***** she can't lead the black people and obviously would not be able to provide an answer.

Maybe you should ask the jews...oh wait.
I can't seem to find video of the sermon with the US of KKKA comment, so I won't comment on how anti-white it is. I can't find the complete sermon about Hillary either, but the part I did find basically says 'Hillary doesn't know what it is like to be black' I am not sure how that is anti-white. Also, there was no mention of her not being able to lead the black people. Really, all that clip I saw said was that Hillary doesn't know what it means to be black.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Bird222
Originally posted by: lupi

Yeah, I don't know where in the USoKKA we could ever find those type of statements. And definitely don't ask the Hillary campaign about them; after all since she's not been called ***** she can't lead the black people and obviously would not be able to provide an answer.

Maybe you should ask the jews...oh wait.
I can't seem to find video of the sermon with the US of KKKA comment, so I won't comment on how anti-white it is. I can't find the complete sermon about Hillary either, but the part I did find basically says 'Hillary doesn't know what it is like to be black' I am not sure how that is anti-white.
the IRONY is that he IS NOT "anti-white" ..
- the rev is being demonized and obama by association with him



analysis complete

Obama will lose without dealing with Hillary today - i recommend he accept the VP spot - in 8 years America will "know" Obama and race will not be an issue like today
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: loki8481
for what it's worth, McCain denounced the ad.
he would be stupid not to



it is premature to attack now .. Obama is doing an excellent job of castrating himself and Hillary is just giving him a little "taste" of the Republican Fall campaign

Obama needs to drop out as Presidential candidate and take the VP with Hillary
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: loki8481
for what it's worth, McCain denounced the ad.
he would be stupid not to



it is premature to attack now .. Obama is doing an excellent job of castrating himself and Hillary is just giving him a little "taste" of the Republican Fall campaign

Obama needs to drop out as Presidential candidate and take the VP with Hillary
at this point obama has too much baggage to be considered VP. Hillary would do well to pick someone that nobody has heard of, or someone who has already gone through the motions of being put under a microscope and came out smelling better than obama
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The party doesn't actively encourage democratic participation like the Dems do, and the rank-and-file Pubs pretty much vote how they're told to vote. The talking heads on hate radio will squawk a bit about how the party candidate isn't as conservative as they might have hoped for, then cry out "OMG LIB-ER-ALS!" right before the general, and they'll all run down to the polls and pull the (R) handle out of fear.
That you actually believe this is quite disturbing...sure, there are some Republicans who cast their vote based on what Evangelical leaders or right wing talk radio personalities say...just like some Democrats vote based on which candidate or issues their unions/interest groups support.

To say one party promotes democratic participation, and the other consists of robotic drones, is laughable at best. Such attitudes explain why there is such a partisan divide in America right now.

On the issues, McCain can't distance himself from the most unpopular president of the modern era, GWB, because to sum up McCain's policy in one word, it's McSame.
The McCain of 2000 posed quite a contrast to GWB, and there is no doubt that McCain has a problem with the fact that he closed ranks with the NeoCons in recent years.

That being said, I think McCain can make a stand on this issue in that some of GWB's policies had promising potential...it was GWB's incompetent leadership that doomed them to failure.

McCain can salvage core conservative principles under the guidance of a competent leader...I fully expect McCain to project himself not as another GWB, but as a true Reagan conservative.
I did find that response by Vic interesting. He has turned the rhetoric up big time over the past couple of months. Must be election season :D

Democratic drones consist of union shops, blacks, gays, and feminists. When you grab 90% of the black vote 100% of the time. Those people arent thinking. They are simply pulling the lever. And while vic will talk about talk radio. Has he ever heard the radio commericals the DNC puts out in the south to scare blacks into voting democrat? I almost thought they were a parody from SNL. If I was black, I'd be offended.
I don't fault oil execs for voting Republican. They pulling the lever for what's in their own best interests, just like those union shops, blacks, gays, and feminists. The same cannot be said for those voting Republican simply for issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc.

And McCain a "true Reagan conservative"??? :laugh:
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: loki8481
for what it's worth, McCain denounced the ad.
he would be stupid not to



it is premature to attack now .. Obama is doing an excellent job of castrating himself and Hillary is just giving him a little "taste" of the Republican Fall campaign

Obama needs to drop out as Presidential candidate and take the VP with Hillary
at this point obama has too much baggage to be considered VP. Hillary would do well to pick someone that nobody has heard of, or someone who has already gone through the motions of being put under a microscope and came out smelling better than obama
it's a shame the bitch can't win
 

jonks

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I saw some bits of the Wright interview the other day. He calls Barack a "politician" for distancing himself from Wright, implying Barack felt compelled to say it but that he didn't really mean it. I don't think he's doing Obama any favors here.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Is apoppin actually stupid or does he just try to annoy people?
I think I ask that question to myself regarding like 75% of P&N regulars, myself included :p
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
I saw some bits of the Wright interview the other day. He calls Barack a "politician" for distancing himself from Wright, implying Barack felt compelled to say it but that he didn't really mean it. I don't think he's doing Obama any favors here.
Probably emotion, from what I know of his politics. The same people who are attacking Obama for his 9/11 comments now did nothing when Falwell and Robertson made similar comments.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I saw some bits of the Wright interview the other day. He calls Barack a "politician" for distancing himself from Wright, implying Barack felt compelled to say it but that he didn't really mean it. I don't think he's doing Obama any favors here.
Probably emotion, from what I know of his politics. The same people who are attacking Obama for his 9/11 comments now did nothing when Falwell and Robertson made similar comments.
Wright's emotion? The interview shows a calmer, gentler Wright. There's really nothing he can say that will help Obama so it's best for Obama if Wright just went away. Obama's whole message is that he is NOT a regular politician so to have his spiritual advisor of 20 years and the center of a media firestorm proclaim Obama is "just giving political answers" is b.a.d.

clips here: http://video.google.com/videos...1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I saw some bits of the Wright interview the other day. He calls Barack a "politician" for distancing himself from Wright, implying Barack felt compelled to say it but that he didn't really mean it. I don't think he's doing Obama any favors here.
Probably emotion, from what I know of his politics. The same people who are attacking Obama for his 9/11 comments now did nothing when Falwell and Robertson made similar comments.
Wright's emotion? The interview shows a calmer, gentler Wright. There's really nothing he can say that will help Obama so it's best for Obama if Wright just went away. Obama's whole message is that he is NOT a regular politician so to have his spiritual advisor of 20 years and the center of a media firestorm proclaim Obama is "just giving political answers" is b.a.d.
I understand what you're saying, but you don't see McCain feeling the need to distance himself from Pat Robertson, do you?
 

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Originally posted by: lupi
Apoppy, I'm also interested in hearing the rest of that new Wright interview. From the little snippet shown it's almost like he's sailing BHO up the river out of spite.

Q:what did you think of Barrack's speach on race in philedelphia

A: Barrack's a politician and I'm a preacher. He had to answer as a politician.

Some serious WTF brewing there to me.
Maybe the truth is Obama and Wright have different views on race? Did you ever consider that possibility?
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: sirjonk
I saw some bits of the Wright interview the other day. He calls Barack a "politician" for distancing himself from Wright, implying Barack felt compelled to say it but that he didn't really mean it. I don't think he's doing Obama any favors here.
Probably emotion, from what I know of his politics. The same people who are attacking Obama for his 9/11 comments now did nothing when Falwell and Robertson made similar comments.
Wright's emotion? The interview shows a calmer, gentler Wright. There's really nothing he can say that will help Obama so it's best for Obama if Wright just went away. Obama's whole message is that he is NOT a regular politician so to have his spiritual advisor of 20 years and the center of a media firestorm proclaim Obama is "just giving political answers" is b.a.d.
I understand what you're saying, but you don't see McCain feeling the need to distance himself from Pat Robertson, do you?
why would he? he gave a speech at PR's school and Pat Robertson didn't even endorse him.
 

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a: Well did you thank him, or were you just "about to" ?

M: I was about to quote his statement directly and thank him, but lupi farted before I could so I quoted his statement instead. That's all I meant by about to before I was diverted from just doing only that. It was intended as a thank you to his post and then went on to lupi.

a: --And your entire premise is wrong. You are no Einstein [sorry ]
in your world E does not = MC2; you have NO proof

M: How much like those who rejected Einstein you are, no? Hehe, the discovery wasn't made by me, but another Jew like Einstein. The proof can be had if you feel what you really feel. I won't hold my breath.

a: Yes, How DO you know your journey is "typical"? No we are not the "same" ...

M: You don't know what you feel. You don't know we're the same.

a: Your God's "one shoe fits all" is insane"; he is full of hate and says he is "love" - he says you have "free will" but he will execute you if you really try to use it - that IS insane!

M: God is a projection of human potential, what man can become, that which is when the ego is transcended, when the mind is not ruled by unconscious motivations. There is no God. There is only what all can become. It is only useful to use the word God because, although He does not exist as people imagine, He is still real and everything we need.

a: You yourself have given the benefit of "self hate"; without it you would not be aware; there is nothing to compare with in your perfect DULL new homogenius "Big Father" world

M: Hehe, do you know the state in which one does not compare?
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Is apoppin actually stupid or does he just try to annoy people?
I've seen a lot of his post in the gaming forums and I've always found them difficult to read. I don't think he's stupid though. Passionate and opinionated and sometimes wrong but not stupid. :)
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: Dari
get back to me when you think it's OK to have a relationship with someone who is a fanatic for political expediency but it isn't OK to have a relationship with someone you've known whose remarks are being taken out of context. If they aren't being taken out of context (as you may respond), let me ask you if you've listened to the entire tapes? My guess is you haven't so you aren't in any position to pass judgement, lest you prefer to be accused of taking things out of context.
Obama needs to be asked those questions, he's the one who kicked wright off his campaign. if the words were simply taken out of context, why did Obama condemn what he said?
Because he said he found them offensive. I said they were taken out of context. I don't speak for Obama.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Bird222
Originally posted by: Corbett

Craig, talk all you want, we both know you have much more time on your hands to post pages of babble. However, you still arent smart enough to see the difference between believing that the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin and corrupts morality, and being a bigot.

So I guess all Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin as bigots as well?

That is nowhere close to the majorly anti-American, anti-White statements that Wright has said over and over again.

One more thing, I appologize for saying Wright said 9/11 was an inside job. Its so hard to keep what you crazy liberals say filed under the right person. What Wright said was that we deserved 9/11, more or less.

While you read this post, please feel free to follow up in THIS THREAD as well.
Please post link to Wright "anti-white" statements.
Pssst...I've been asking them for proof of Rev. Wright racism and no one ever responds. They just say "it's obvious."
Yeah, I don't know where in the USoKKA we could ever find those type of statements. And definitely don't ask the Hillary campaign about them; after all since she's not been called ***** she can't lead the black people and obviously would not be able to provide an answer.

Maybe you should ask the jews...oh wait.
And that is racism? If I accuse you of being a racist, does that make me a racist?:laugh: Grow a pair.
 

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