The first Obama/Wright attack ad shows up

[Fern]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Bird222

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
So...back to the topic: Why is the NC GOP doing this before the gubernatorial primaries, when there are still two Democrats in the race and the commercial will be long out of their minds when NC holds its general election for governor in the fall?

You know why.

I really don't.

If they have limited resources and they want to get a Republican governor elected, they'd wait until the fall.

Assuming they were gonna run it now, the only reason I can think is to encourage Dem voters to go for Hillary.

Maybe they wanna see the Dem primary contest extended, maybe even a convention fight?

But that seems a bit farfetched to me.

Fern

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Caminetto
The ad is an indication that Republicans fear Obama. They would rather go against Hillary and the ad was to effect the North Carolina primary.

There are many videos of Wright's preaching and 99% of them would seem fine with 99% of the people. The day that Wright displays some human frailty while getting too much caffeine is somehow a reflection on Obama.

Exactly. :thumbsup:

And it's not like attack ads weren't expected. The Pubs are going to go dirty and stay nasty until November.

Unfortunately for the neocon right, their psychology is painfully transparent. Whatever they are afraid of is what they tell you to afraid of, and never ask why. And they always always always believe that bravado wins out over brains.
Keep that in mind, and their lies lose their emotional meaning.

I haven't seen the ad here yet, and I hope more folks take advantage of the early one-stop voting/registration we have going on here. I voted for Obama today, happily. Sadly, I am not so certain my county will vote for him. It is full of rednecks. But at the same time, I haven't seen or heard of much support for Hillary around here and Obama seems to be well ahead in NC Polls.

But Pub turnout in the primaries is usually pretty low. The party doesn't actively encourage democratic participation like the Dems do, and the rank-and-file Pubs pretty much vote how they're told to vote. The talking heads on hate radio will squawk a bit about how the party candidate isn't as conservative as they might have hoped for, then cry out "OMG LIB-ER-ALS!" right before the general, and they'll all run down to the polls and pull the (R) handle out of fear.

Precisely....this applies to folks like my parents.

 

[Jhhnn]

On the issues, McCain can't distance himself from the most unpopular president of the modern era, GWB, because to sum up McCain's policy in one word, it's McSame.

The war? McSame.

International relations? McSame.

The economy? Bread and circuses. McSame.

Explosive inequality? McSame.

Pandering to the fundie fringe? McSame.

Explosive federal debt? Cut earmarks, 1% of the budget. More bread and circuses. McSame.

Domestic snooping and secrecy? McSame.

Environment, Trade, Education- you name it- McSame.

Pinned to the issues, which is obviously what Dems intend, he's a loser, because he's part and parcel of a larger entity- the repub party. The Bush admin and former repub congress weren't some sort of accident, some sort of cosmic confluence of circumstance. Far from it. They're the culmination of decades of rightwing thinktank propaganda and framing, a means to accomplish the greatest looting spree in the history of the world... McCain can't be enough different from that to escape it and to maintain his base among the well-indoctrinated knee-jerk faithful.

Against Hillary, it can be turned into a straightup popularity contest, and they've established enough Hillary hate over the last 15 years to help with that, and it'll be very difficult for her to escape being painted with the same brush of sameness to the Bush agenda... "You voted for it!" will return as the repub battle cry... With a nudge and a wink to his rightwing base, McCain will try to convince swing voters that he's just as liberal as Hillary where it counts...

Not so with Obama. He'll have no difficulty differentiating himself from the Bush/Neocon agenda, bet on that... As voters are constantly reminded of all the reasons they've come to detest the Bush Admin, it'll take a miracle to convince them to vote for a guy who says he'll just keep on doing things the same way...

Edit- 1% for!%

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly.

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way...

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example...

You an absolute idiot if you think the color of skin, place of birth, or anything else makes you immune of or prone to racism.

Haha, You're an absolute idiot if you think that purple defines what Jhhnn said. Of course we don't really need that proof.

I was about to thank you Jhhnn for having the patients and verbal skills to lay out truth as you did. So often I just don't have the will to do so in the face of the endless stream of brain dead fools that post here.

One of the features of self hate is that it its an infection that works using unconscious self destruction to vicariously get back to bad feelings. The self hater lives in terror of the actual memory of what happened to them, so they create an erzots situation in which they can feel the same thing. The pig creates a sty wherever it is just by shitting.

i get it now .. you don't have a clue .. except with your last statement .. it is just misapplied to others

Because I am continually at a loss as to what you mean I have little to say. I have no idea what you're mean most of the time and don't know if that's a fault and if so yours or mine.

What did you get? Where am I off base? What is the it in ('it' is just misapplied?) I need things simple and explained. I suck at poetry, perhaps.

first of all what did you mean by "purple" ?

And it is not a fault of either of us .. we are cooperating right now in apparent obfuscation.

You take a lot of words and an analogy - at least - to say with nearly the maximum amount of words ,what you say over-and-over and self-hate is the beat to your message.

For example .. you were "about" to thank Jhhnn?
- for doing what you said you couldn't do, yet you added to what he said with another "reference to self hate" that implies that you are also a pig creating a sty. And how do you know how a "self-hater" feels - not all share your personal experiences nor is all self-hate necessarily destructive or a self-fulfilling "fake"

Actually pigs are clean by nature and you must not confuse the domesticated and unnaturally kept varieties of the "pigs" in your example - with pigs.

 

[jpeyton]

Anyone see this coming?

Nearly all MSM coverage of this ad isn't about the substance of the ad; it's about how divided the Republicans are about it.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Anyone see this coming?

Nearly all MSM coverage of this ad isn't about the substance of the ad; it's about how divided the Republicans are about it.

Of course NOT surprised .. it is not "time" and McLame is smart not to start it now.

John McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, asked party officials to not run the ad on Wednesday and again Thursday.

"I cannot dictate to the North Carolina Republican Party what their message is, but I condemn it and I can appeal to the overwhelming majority of Republicans in the state of North Carolina," McCain said while campaigning in New Orleans.

yes i saw it coming and i said so .. Obama missed his chance to be President for 8 years after Hillary. He screwed the dream ticket himself.

Obama's Last Chance to Unite the Dems - Cut a "Deal" with Clinton?

and only NC is divided .. they are deep south

McLame won't care in October .. although he may pretend to appear shocked as race riots start across america

Obama is a loser .. he even can't unite his own party - not beat Hillary easily - he is already a failure and no white middle-aged guy or woman is going to vote for him

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Craig234
Obama and Wright pale as an issue to McCain and Hagee..

Once again, Craig shows his support for some of the most foul human beings on the planet.

I do not support you.

[McCain has not sat in Hagee's church for 20 years.

It's worse, he just approached Hagee asking for his endorsement this year, making it far more relevant to his views as president.

McCain has not considered Hagee a close spiritual advisor.

He's aligned himself with Hagee, without any condemnation of Hagee's anti-gay views. Would it be ok to go ask for the KKK endorsement as long as they're not 'close advisors'?

Hagee has not called the United State the "United States of KKK A"
Hagee never claimed 9/11 was an inside job

Your post here is absurd. You don't defend him for his wrongs by pointing out that he didn't do what others did wrong.

"OJ is better than Charles Manson because he did not kill Sharon Tate like Manson did"
"Hitler is better than Mao because he did not target millions of Chinese to kill"

As for 9/11 - first, where did Wright say it was 'inside'? He said it was 'chickens coming home to roost', and he was right. He was telling history you are not honest about.

It's Hagee who is the nut job, who said that 9/11 was divine, against the US for its being too soft on Palestinians.

Second, even if he had said it was an inside act, which I disagree with, there's a big difference between his having an opinion on that issue which has no effect on Obama's policies as president, and having a hate-based ministry like Hagee's against gay people which ARE relevant to the policies, with gay discrimination legal today, and the right-wing religious groups calling for increases, with many anti-gay discrimination balloted in the last few years. Not to mention Hagee's anti-Catholic statements.

A better comparison to Hagee is Louis Farrakhan - who Obama did not only not pursue for an endorsement as McCain did Hagee - which McCain was misleading about until Hagee publically announced it had happened - but Obama rejected any endorsement by Farrakhan. That's what McCain should do with Hagee. He hasn't.

Also, Obama and Wright have taken on the issue directly, while Hagee has issues what very much look like lies in denying his statements.

While Wright has been repeatedly dishonestly represented for his statements, including it seems your own 'inside' 9/11 comment, Hagee denied his anti-Cathollic statements, saying only that he'd criticized anti-semitism about equally in Catholic and Protestant churches - what a guy - but the Catholics corrected him, pointing out Hagee has called the Catholic Church "'The Great Whore,' an 'apostate church,' the 'anti-Christ,' and a 'false cult system.'", to quote the following page.

There's a video of him calling the Catholic Church a cult on this page.

Hagee is not a racist bigot

Hagee is an anti-gay bigot, preaching hate and discrimination. Wright is not out to deny whites the right to marry and other equality. And he's an anti-Catholic bigot.

The right is again trying to defend their wrongdoing with lies, going on the attack - the real story here is the radical bigot Hagee being pursued by McCain, but we hear about Wright.

I won't accuse you of intentionally doing that, because I don't think you know the facts, your role is the 'parrot' who repeats the messages. But those who do know the facts are acting dishonestly - and they use issues like bigotry that they care nothing about morally as political point issues, like a game. It's offensive, and your helping them is offensive.

Craig, talk all you want, we both know you have much more time on your hands to post pages of babble. However, you still arent smart enough to see the difference between believing that the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin and corrupts morality, and being a bigot.

So I guess all Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin as bigots as well?

That is nowhere close to the majorly anti-American, anti-White statements that Wright has said over and over again.

One more thing, I appologize for saying Wright said 9/11 was an inside job. Its so hard to keep what you crazy liberals say filed under the right person. What Wright said was that we deserved 9/11, more or less.

While you read this post, please feel free to follow up in THIS THREAD as well.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The party doesn't actively encourage democratic participation like the Dems do, and the rank-and-file Pubs pretty much vote how they're told to vote. The talking heads on hate radio will squawk a bit about how the party candidate isn't as conservative as they might have hoped for, then cry out "OMG LIB-ER-ALS!" right before the general, and they'll all run down to the polls and pull the (R) handle out of fear.

That you actually believe this is quite disturbing...sure, there are some Republicans who cast their vote based on what Evangelical leaders or right wing talk radio personalities say...just like some Democrats vote based on which candidate or issues their unions/interest groups support.

To say one party promotes democratic participation, and the other consists of robotic drones, is laughable at best. Such attitudes explain why there is such a partisan divide in America right now.

On the issues, McCain can't distance himself from the most unpopular president of the modern era, GWB, because to sum up McCain's policy in one word, it's McSame.

The McCain of 2000 posed quite a contrast to GWB, and there is no doubt that McCain has a problem with the fact that he closed ranks with the NeoCons in recent years.

That being said, I think McCain can make a stand on this issue in that some of GWB's policies had promising potential...it was GWB's incompetent leadership that doomed them to failure.

McCain can salvage core conservative principles under the guidance of a competent leader...I fully expect McCain to project himself not as another GWB, but as a true Reagan conservative.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Craig, talk all you want, we both know you have much more time on your hands to post pages of babble. However, you still arent smart enough to see the difference between believing that the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin and corrupts morality, and being a bigot.

So I guess all Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin as bigots as well?

That is nowhere close to the majorly anti-American, anti-White statements that Wright has said over and over again.

One more thing, I appologize for saying Wright said 9/11 was an inside job. Its so hard to keep what you crazy liberals say filed under the right person. What Wright said was that we deserved 9/11, more or less.

While you read this post, please feel free to follow up in THIS THREAD as well.

What Bible? .. certainly not the New Testament - unless you call Paul - still a jew and one that said "it is my own opinion" - that calls Homosexuality a Sin.
- screw that little blind bigoted asshole - he hated women also and screwed up the Early Church with his myopic nonsense jewish blabber.

these "christians" are bigots .. i call it like i see it
- Jesus didn't say ANYTHING about it .. just the morons that claim to follow him like to feel good about their hypocritical selves

 

[Moonbeam]

a: first of all what did you mean by "purple" ?

M: Jhhnn said:

"Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly."

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way..."

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example..."

and lupi responded with:

"You an absolute idiot if you think the color of skin, place of birth, or anything else makes you immune of or prone to racism."

Aside from the fact that this is wrong, as another poster pointed out, it has nothing whatsoever to do with what Jhhnn said. It is as related to Jhhnn's comment as it is related to purple.
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a: And it is not a fault of either of us .. we are cooperating right now in apparent obfuscation.

M: I don't know what this means either.

a: You take a lot of words and an analogy - at least - to say with nearly the maximum amount of words ,what you say over-and-over and self-hate is the beat to your message.

M: I'm supposed to worry or care?

a: For example .. you were "about" to thank Jhhnn?
- for doing what you said you couldn't do, yet you added to what he said with another "reference to self hate" that implies that you are also a pig creating a sty.

M: Not what I couldn't do. I agree with and know what he said. I am fatigued by the endless need to say the obvious over and over again when the same old crap will still get repeated. I have the energy, however, to tell jhhnn, who has good insight in my opinion, why what he said works out as it does. Showing how everything in the world comes back to self hate is what I do. I see it as key to human survival. We either wake up or go extinct, as I see it. Unconscious self hate is leading us to extinction. It's the E=MC2 of the future, the obvious truth nobody wants to believe.

a: And how do you know how a "self-hater" feels - not all share your personal experiences nor is all self-hate necessarily destructive or a self-fulfilling "fake"

M: How do I know. Hehe, I wonder. I've taken some journeys into what I feel and knew other divers. We are all the same. The personal is just detail. We all feel like the worst in the world. Can you please tell me some of the benefits of self hate? I'm curious.

a: Actually pigs are clean by nature and you must not confuse the domesticated and unnaturally kept varieties of the "pigs" in your example - with pigs.

M: Must not? The ones I refer to are very unnatural in my opinion. I don't mind relying on stereotype to make a point.

 

[lopri]

Barack Obama's campaign needs a change.. (no pun intended) In my opinion he should start giving some concrete ideas and policies, based on realistic and plausible scenarios. I know there are a lot of them in his website, but that won't cut it for folks who barely know him. I mean, for instance, when asked about his 'experience', his answer is "I was a community organizer."

Community organizer.

What does that mean? Can someone translate it to something more familiar to working-class voters?

Was he on the board of a town hall?
Was he a local Democratic party leader?
Or was he a mob boss?

People still don't know him and attacks like that NC GOP ad will only damage him without giving him a fair chance to defend, unless he tells people ahead, starting from, who he is, what he did, who his family/friends/acquaintances are, what he plans to do for common folks, what they can expect when he's president (other than finding their inner self and liberating themselves), etc., plus what he has done right and what he has done wrong in his public life as well as in his private life, with no-nonsense vocabulary. Sure that might not sound as eloquent as he used to, but the magic has been waning thin and it's only going to get worse.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: lopri
Barack Obama's campaign needs a change.. (no pun intended) In my opinion he should start giving some concrete ideas and policies, based on realistic and plausible scenarios. I know there are a lot of them in his website, but that won't cut it for folks who barely know him. I mean, for instance, when asked about his 'experience', his answer is "I was a community organizer."

Both Clinton and Obama have participated in many town hall style events where they sit down and do nothing but go over details of their policies for an hour or so. They are always broadcast on C-Span TV, and a few are even posted on C-Span's website (sadly, not all are )

It's not his (or her) campaign's fault that the mainstream media will not broadcast such events in their entirety, nor is it his fault that the public is not interested in watching such broadcasts in their entirety

Here are 12 hours worth of policy discussion:

http://www.c-span.org/search/b...QueryText=obama+policy

http://www.c-span.org/search/b...ryText=obama+town+hall

Report back with what you find

I mean, for instance, when asked about his 'experience', his answer is "I was a community organizer."

Community organizer.

What does that mean? Can someone translate it to something more familiar to working-class voters?

Actually, his response was a little bit longer than that:
rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_090307_obama.rm

 

[lopri]

Well, you don't have to worry about me.

And of course it's his responsibility to let himself known. He is the one who seeks the presidency. And you honestly can't fault MSM, which has been giving an exceptional treatment to Obama to date, for why he can't relate to common folks who get to know him first time through this campaign.

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Craig, talk all you want, we both know you have much more time on your hands to post pages of babble. However, you still arent smart enough to see the difference between believing that the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin and corrupts morality, and being a bigot.

So I guess all Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin as bigots as well?

That is nowhere close to the majorly anti-American, anti-White statements that Wright has said over and over again.

One more thing, I appologize for saying Wright said 9/11 was an inside job. Its so hard to keep what you crazy liberals say filed under the right person. What Wright said was that we deserved 9/11, more or less.

While you read this post, please feel free to follow up in THIS THREAD as well.

Please post link to Wright "anti-white" statements.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: lopri
Well, you don't have to worry about me.

And of course it's his responsibility to let himself known. He is the one who seeks the presidency. And you honestly can't fault MSM, which has been giving an exceptional treatment to Obama to date, for why he can't relate to common folks who get to know him first time through this campaign.

They've had like 21 debates and he's laid out his policies in such debates. You're faulting him with not being more specific? Perhaps people aren't paying attention to the issues and worrying about peripheral nuances like Rev. Wright and Bosnia. America really does deserve Bush.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Bird222

Originally posted by: Corbett

Craig, talk all you want, we both know you have much more time on your hands to post pages of babble. However, you still arent smart enough to see the difference between believing that the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin and corrupts morality, and being a bigot.

So I guess all Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin as bigots as well?

That is nowhere close to the majorly anti-American, anti-White statements that Wright has said over and over again.

One more thing, I appologize for saying Wright said 9/11 was an inside job. Its so hard to keep what you crazy liberals say filed under the right person. What Wright said was that we deserved 9/11, more or less.

While you read this post, please feel free to follow up in THIS THREAD as well.

Please post link to Wright "anti-white" statements.

Pssst...I've been asking them for proof of Rev. Wright racism and no one ever responds. They just say "it's obvious."

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Personally, I think the Dems have already handed the election to the Republicans but Obama and Hillary fighting all the way to the convention does nothing but help the Republicans even more.

Really? You think record turnouts, record numbers of newly registered Democrats, and record fund raising will be a bad thing for the Democratic nominee this fall?

In the current scenario, yes I do. The two Dem candidates are trashing each other and entrenching their respective supporters. Regardless of who gets the nomination there will be a large number of Democrats who will vote for the other side, or more likely simply stay home on election day.

On the flip side MCcain is sitting back, raising money, and letting the Dems throw mud at each other. Its hard to imagine a better scenario for the Repubs at this stage of the game.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

The party doesn't actively encourage democratic participation like the Dems do, and the rank-and-file Pubs pretty much vote how they're told to vote. The talking heads on hate radio will squawk a bit about how the party candidate isn't as conservative as they might have hoped for, then cry out "OMG LIB-ER-ALS!" right before the general, and they'll all run down to the polls and pull the (R) handle out of fear.

That you actually believe this is quite disturbing...sure, there are some Republicans who cast their vote based on what Evangelical leaders or right wing talk radio personalities say...just like some Democrats vote based on which candidate or issues their unions/interest groups support.

To say one party promotes democratic participation, and the other consists of robotic drones, is laughable at best. Such attitudes explain why there is such a partisan divide in America right now.

On the issues, McCain can't distance himself from the most unpopular president of the modern era, GWB, because to sum up McCain's policy in one word, it's McSame.

The McCain of 2000 posed quite a contrast to GWB, and there is no doubt that McCain has a problem with the fact that he closed ranks with the NeoCons in recent years.

That being said, I think McCain can make a stand on this issue in that some of GWB's policies had promising potential...it was GWB's incompetent leadership that doomed them to failure.

McCain can salvage core conservative principles under the guidance of a competent leader...I fully expect McCain to project himself not as another GWB, but as a true Reagan conservative.

I did find that response by Vic interesting. He has turned the rhetoric up big time over the past couple of months. Must be election season

Democratic drones consist of union shops, blacks, gays, and feminists. When you grab 90% of the black vote 100% of the time. Those people arent thinking. They are simply pulling the lever. And while vic will talk about talk radio. Has he ever heard the radio commericals the DNC puts out in the south to scare blacks into voting democrat? I almost thought they were a parody from SNL. If I was black, I'd be offended.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

The party doesn't actively encourage democratic participation like the Dems do, and the rank-and-file Pubs pretty much vote how they're told to vote. The talking heads on hate radio will squawk a bit about how the party candidate isn't as conservative as they might have hoped for, then cry out "OMG LIB-ER-ALS!" right before the general, and they'll all run down to the polls and pull the (R) handle out of fear.

That you actually believe this is quite disturbing...sure, there are some Republicans who cast their vote based on what Evangelical leaders or right wing talk radio personalities say...just like some Democrats vote based on which candidate or issues their unions/interest groups support.

To say one party promotes democratic participation, and the other consists of robotic drones, is laughable at best. Such attitudes explain why there is such a partisan divide in America right now.

On the issues, McCain can't distance himself from the most unpopular president of the modern era, GWB, because to sum up McCain's policy in one word, it's McSame.

The McCain of 2000 posed quite a contrast to GWB, and there is no doubt that McCain has a problem with the fact that he closed ranks with the NeoCons in recent years.

That being said, I think McCain can make a stand on this issue in that some of GWB's policies had promising potential...it was GWB's incompetent leadership that doomed them to failure.

McCain can salvage core conservative principles under the guidance of a competent leader...I fully expect McCain to project himself not as another GWB, but as a true Reagan conservative.

I did find that response by Vic interesting. He has turned the rhetoric up big time over the past couple of months. Must be election season

Democratic drones consist of union shops, blacks, gays, and feminists. When you grab 90% of the black vote 100% of the time. Those people arent thinking. They are simply pulling the lever. And while vic will talk about talk radio. Has he ever heard the radio commericals the DNC puts out in the south to scare blacks into voting democrat? I almost thought they were a parody from SNL. If I was black, I'd be offended.

You forgot Jews.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Personally, I think the Dems have already handed the election to the Republicans but Obama and Hillary fighting all the way to the convention does nothing but help the Republicans even more.

Really? You think record turnouts, record numbers of newly registered Democrats, and record fund raising will be a bad thing for the Democratic nominee this fall?

In the current scenario, yes I do. The two Dem candidates are trashing each other and entrenching their respective supporters. Regardless of who gets the nomination there will be a large number of Democrats who will vote for the other side, or more likely simply stay home on election day.

On the flip side MCcain is sitting back, raising money, and letting the Dems throw mud at each other. Its hard to imagine a better scenario for the Repubs at this stage of the game.

True. McCain is coasting right now. But sooner or later all that emotion will turn on him when the Democrats get their act together.

 

[Genx87]

Well yeah and Catholics. Guess the dems have plenty of vote a matics on their side as well

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: lopri
Well, you don't have to worry about me.

And of course it's his responsibility to let himself known. He is the one who seeks the presidency. And you honestly can't fault MSM, which has been giving an exceptional treatment to Obama to date, for why he can't relate to common folks who get to know him first time through this campaign.

They've had like 21 debates and he's laid out his policies in such debates. You're faulting him with not being more specific? Perhaps people aren't paying attention to the issues and worrying about peripheral nuances like Rev. Wright and Bosnia. America really does deserve Bush.

on the contrary, they're clearly paying attention. the voters are smarter than you and obama give them credit for. they know obama and hillary are carbon copies of each other when it comes to policies. there's no need to "pay attention to the issues" insomuch as we all know what they are. so they're now looking for other differences (i.e., differences of character).

To the voters, it says a lot about your character when you hold a close friendship with someone for 20 years who is such a fanatic.

Then we have some obama supporters (and obama himself) whining like babies because he's being scrutinized. this is the most important job in the world that obama is running for - get used to it.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: lopri
Well, you don't have to worry about me.

And of course it's his responsibility to let himself known. He is the one who seeks the presidency. And you honestly can't fault MSM, which has been giving an exceptional treatment to Obama to date, for why he can't relate to common folks who get to know him first time through this campaign.

They've had like 21 debates and he's laid out his policies in such debates. You're faulting him with not being more specific? Perhaps people aren't paying attention to the issues and worrying about peripheral nuances like Rev. Wright and Bosnia. America really does deserve Bush.

on the contrary, they're clearly paying attention. the voters are smarter than you and obama give them credit for. they know obama and hillary are carbon copies of each other when it comes to policies. there's no need to "pay attention to the issues" insomuch as we all know what they are. so they're now looking for other differences (i.e., differences of character).

To the voters, it says a lot about your character when you hold a close friendship with someone for 20 years who is such a fanatic.

Then we have some obama supporters (and obama himself) whining like babies because he's being scrutinized. this is the most important job in the world that obama is running for - get used to it.

Like questioning his patriotism in the last debate? You may be right about there not being much of a difference between the two on policies, but then lopri shouldn't complain about that either.

As for your relationship quip, get back to me when you think it's OK to have a relationship with someone who is a fanatic for political expediency but it isn't OK to have a relationship with someone you've known whose remarks are being taken out of context. If they aren't being taken out of context (as you may respond), let me ask you if you've listened to the entire tapes? My guess is you haven't so you aren't in any position to pass judgement, lest you prefer to be accused of taking things out of context.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
a: first of all what did you mean by "purple" ?

M: Jhhnn said:

"Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly."

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way..."

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example..."

and lupi responded with:

"You an absolute idiot if you think the color of skin, place of birth, or anything else makes you immune of or prone to racism."

Aside from the fact that this is wrong, as another poster pointed out, it has nothing whatsoever to do with what Jhhnn said. It is as related to Jhhnn's comment as it is related to purple.
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a: And it is not a fault of either of us .. we are cooperating right now in apparent obfuscation.

M: I don't know what this means either.

a: You take a lot of words and an analogy - at least - to say with nearly the maximum amount of words ,what you say over-and-over and self-hate is the beat to your message.

M: I'm supposed to worry or care?

a: For example .. you were "about" to thank Jhhnn?
- for doing what you said you couldn't do, yet you added to what he said with another "reference to self hate" that implies that you are also a pig creating a sty.

M: Not what I couldn't do. I agree with and know what he said. I am fatigued by the endless need to say the obvious over and over again when the same old crap will still get repeated. I have the energy, however, to tell jhhnn, who has good insight in my opinion, why what he said works out as it does. Showing how everything in the world comes back to self hate is what I do. I see it as key to human survival. We either wake up or go extinct, as I see it. Unconscious self hate is leading us to extinction. It's the E=MC2 of the future, the obvious truth nobody wants to believe.

a: And how do you know how a "self-hater" feels - not all share your personal experiences nor is all self-hate necessarily destructive or a self-fulfilling "fake"

M: How do I know. Hehe, I wonder. I've taken some journeys into what I feel and knew other divers. We are all the same. The personal is just detail. We all feel like the worst in the world. Can you please tell me some of the benefits of self hate? I'm curious.

a: Actually pigs are clean by nature and you must not confuse the domesticated and unnaturally kept varieties of the "pigs" in your example - with pigs.

M: Must not? The ones I refer to are very unnatural in my opinion. I don't mind relying on stereotype to make a point.

Actually if you read his entire first sentence then not only is my statement applicable to his, it's still correct.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Bird222

Originally posted by: Corbett

Craig, talk all you want, we both know you have much more time on your hands to post pages of babble. However, you still arent smart enough to see the difference between believing that the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin and corrupts morality, and being a bigot.

So I guess all Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin as bigots as well?

That is nowhere close to the majorly anti-American, anti-White statements that Wright has said over and over again.

One more thing, I appologize for saying Wright said 9/11 was an inside job. Its so hard to keep what you crazy liberals say filed under the right person. What Wright said was that we deserved 9/11, more or less.

While you read this post, please feel free to follow up in THIS THREAD as well.

Please post link to Wright "anti-white" statements.

Pssst...I've been asking them for proof of Rev. Wright racism and no one ever responds. They just say "it's obvious."

Yeah, I don't know where in the USoKKA we could ever find those type of statements. And definitely don't ask the Hillary campaign about them; after all since she's not been called ***** she can't lead the black people and obviously would not be able to provide an answer.

Maybe you should ask the jews...oh wait.