The first Obama/Wright attack ad shows up

[Robor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think it is a shame that the swiftboat guys went after Kerry's war record. While there are some minor questions about his war record (3 purple hearts etc) overall he seems to have carried himself very well during his tour in Vietnam.
Instead they should have focused on what Kerry did when he came home instead.

I think it was his post war statements that did the most damage to Kerry, not the stuff about his combat record.

Stuff like this:
"had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

Were those comments ever proven to be inaccurate? I just did a little reading and found a few stories involving them but I didn't see where they were proven to be lies. If they are true then what is the harm in reporting them? He was protesting the war after all. There are stories about atrocities from the Iraq war and while they are horrible I don't think a handful of events means all soldiers are murderous monsters. They're just used to grab attention for their cause.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Genx87
McCain has been viewed as a maverick in the party for years.

Was that before or after he bought these?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87
McCain has been viewed as a maverick in the party for years.

Was that before or after he bought these?

Oh a politician that changes their position? I have never heard of one of those.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I think you two are overestimating people associating McCain with Bush. McCain has been viewed as a maverick in the party for years. If you are going to pin a presidential victory on the hope people associate the party maverick with Bush good luck.

Does it matter how he's viewed in the party or does it matter more how he's viewed by the public? The public likely has a much different view of McCain's recent relationships with Bush than what the party remembers.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Vic
The party of Bush who has fscked them over entirely?

In your dreams.

Exactly. There is a clear-cut reason McCain wants a gas-tax holiday for the summer leading to the election: he's proper fvcked once gas rises this summer and people start thinking with their wallets, and not their fears.

Being closely associated with a very unpopular outgoing President who is associated with our country's current economic situation is lethal.

I think you two are overestimating people associating McCain with Bush. McCain has been viewed as a maverick in the party for years. If you are going to pin a presidential victory on the hope people associate the party maverick with Bush good luck.

McCain sold off his "maverick" status to get on this ticket. All you have to do is look at his positions of the issues to see this. He has come fully into line with Bush.

But more than that, Hillary could run on the Republican ticket and still have the legacy of the Bush administration hanging around her neck. There's simply no way the party can shake it, no matter how many times your talking heads call McCain a "maverick."

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87
McCain has been viewed as a maverick in the party for years.

Was that before or after he bought these?

Oh a politician that changes their position? I have never heard of one of those.

Indeed, going from the maverick to the lap-dog wins a lot of brownie points and photo-ops with the outgoing President.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87
McCain has been viewed as a maverick in the party for years.

Was that before or after he bought these?

Oh a politician that changes their position? I have never heard of one of those.

Indeed, going from the maverick to the lap-dog wins a lot of brownie points and photo-ops with the outgoing President.

Must be why he polls decently against the two democratic contender right?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87
McCain has been viewed as a maverick in the party for years.

Was that before or after he bought these?

Oh a politician that changes their position? I have never heard of one of those.

Indeed, going from the maverick to the lap-dog wins a lot of brownie points and photo-ops with the outgoing President.

Must be why he polls decently against the two democratic contender right?

If only the race was decided 7 months ahead of time.

Lets see how he polls against 1 vs 1 once both nominees are officially announced.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remarkable twist of fate in White America denouncing any black man as racist, and an absolutely unremarkable acceptance of it from the usual rightwing dupes, whose real interests are more aligned with blacks than with their white economic overlords. It's the same divide and conquer method used by the southern financial elite since the civil war- playing working class whites off against blacks. It's always worked, of course, even though those at the top just see us all as slightly different shades of n!@@er... and treat us accordingly.

That's really the basis for the Rev Wright's remarks- that we're doomed to God's damnation for our acceptance of it, even moreso for disseminating it, even in a backhanded sort of way...

Repubs apparently want Dems to run Hillary in the worst way, this smug attack being just one more example...

You an absolute idiot if you think the color of skin, place of birth, or anything else makes you immune of or prone to racism.

Haha, You're an absolute idiot if you think that purple defines what Jhhnn said. Of course we don't really need that proof.

I was about to thank you Jhhnn for having the patients and verbal skills to lay out truth as you did. So often I just don't have the will to do so in the face of the endless stream of brain dead fools that post here.

One of the features of self hate is that it its an infection that works using unconscious self destruction to vicariously get back to bad feelings. The self hater lives in terror of the actual memory of what happened to them, so they create an erzots situation in which they can feel the same thing. The pig creates a sty wherever it is just by shitting.

i get it now .. you don't have a clue .. except with your last statement .. it is just misapplied to others

Because I am continually at a loss as to what you mean I have little to say. I have no idea what you're mean most of the time and don't know if that's a fault and if so yours or mine.

What did you get? Where am I off base? What is the it in ('it' is just misapplied?) I need things simple and explained. I suck at poetry, perhaps.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87
McCain has been viewed as a maverick in the party for years.

Was that before or after he bought these?

Oh a politician that changes their position? I have never heard of one of those.

Indeed, going from the maverick to the lap-dog wins a lot of brownie points and photo-ops with the outgoing President.

Must be why he polls decently against the two democratic contender right?

If only the race was decided 7 months ahead of time.

Lets see how he polls against 1 vs 1 once both nominees are officially announced.

Sure, when will that be, late August?

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
So...back to the topic: Why is the NC GOP doing this before the gubernatorial primaries, when there are still two Democrats in the race and the commercial will be long out of their minds when NC holds its general election for governor in the fall?

You know why.

 

[shrumpage]

They pulled the ads.

 

[OrByte]

maybe this means its the last we will hear of Rev Wright from the GOP?

YEAH RIIIIGHT

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Caminetto
The ad is an indication that Republicans fear Obama. They would rather go against Hillary and the ad was to effect the North Carolina primary.

There are many videos of Wright's preaching and 99% of them would seem fine with 99% of the people. The day that Wright displays some human frailty while getting too much caffeine is somehow a reflection on Obama.

Bingo! :thumbsup:

While the Repubs might prefer to run against Hillary in the big show I think their goal is to keep Hillary in the game as long as possible. Personally, I think the Dems have already handed the election to the Republicans but Obama and Hillary fighting all the way to the convention does nothing but help the Republicans even more.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Personally, I think the Dems have already handed the election to the Republicans but Obama and Hillary fighting all the way to the convention does nothing but help the Republicans even more.

Really? You think record turnouts, record numbers of newly registered Democrats, and record fund raising will be a bad thing for the Democratic nominee this fall?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Personally, I think the Dems have already handed the election to the Republicans but Obama and Hillary fighting all the way to the convention does nothing but help the Republicans even more.

Really? You think record turnouts, record numbers of newly registered Democrats, and record fund raising will be a bad thing for the Democratic nominee this fall?

Didn't help Obama in PA...

 

[ProfJohn]

blah

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Personally, I think the Dems have already handed the election to the Republicans but Obama and Hillary fighting all the way to the convention does nothing but help the Republicans even more.

Really? You think record turnouts, record numbers of newly registered Democrats, and record fund raising will be a bad thing for the Democratic nominee this fall?

Didn't help Obama in PA...

It helped Democratic numbers in general.

And Obama did cut a 20-point deficit down to 10-points, even with Rev. Wright and "bitter". All that will be yesterday's news by the time Indiana and N. Carolina roll around.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Caminetto
There are many videos of Wright's preaching and 99% of them would seem fine with 99% of the people. The day that Wright displays some human frailty while getting too much caffeine is somehow a reflection on Obama.

The Coffee Defense. Good one, I'll have to remember that one.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice splitting of the hairs, Palehorse. McCain's "denouncement" means little, given that it'll get spread far and wide, having the desired effect, by the likes of our OP...

Got it!

So we can't hold Wright's words against Obama, he has no control over the Reverend.

BUT, we can hold the NC GOP word's against McCain, even though he has no control over them.

Wha...?

:roll:

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Robor... the word in Republican camps right now is that Obama is the weaker candidate. If you read what is being written by right wing columnists and the like you would know this.


They are going to paint Obama as an uber liberal (most liberal senator) who associates with terrorists and goes to church with an American hating minister. Obama is doomed.

The PA results show this.
Hillary does good with old people and working class people.
Obama does good with blacks, college kids and liberal elites.

Of those two groups which one is more likely to cross over and vote for McCain?

Hard to say.

Those who supported Hillary in PA are said to be classic "Reagan Republicans".

Fern

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Personally, I think the Dems have already handed the election to the Republicans but Obama and Hillary fighting all the way to the convention does nothing but help the Republicans even more.

Really? You think record turnouts, record numbers of newly registered Democrats, and record fund raising will be a bad thing for the Democratic nominee this fall?

What does record Democrat turn out to Democratic primaries have to do with anything? Is it supposed to be impressive that we turn out more than the Republicans whose primary ended a long long time ago??

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Robor... the word in Republican camps right now is that Obama is the weaker candidate. If you read what is being written by right wing columnists and the like you would know this.

I had the roots of a tooth yanked out this morning. I think I'd prefer that.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Personally, I think the Dems have already handed the election to the Republicans but Obama and Hillary fighting all the way to the convention does nothing but help the Republicans even more.

Really? You think record turnouts, record numbers of newly registered Democrats, and record fund raising will be a bad thing for the Democratic nominee this fall?

What does record Democrat turn out to Democratic primaries have to do with anything? Is it supposed to be impressive that we turn out more than the Republicans whose primary ended a long long time ago??

Dem turnout was at record highs before the Pubs settled on McCain.

But Pub turnout in the primaries is usually pretty low. The party doesn't actively encourage democratic participation like the Dems do, and the rank-and-file Pubs pretty much vote how they're told to vote. The talking heads on hate radio will squawk a bit about how the party candidate isn't as conservative as they might have hoped for, then cry out "OMG LIB-ER-ALS!" right before the general, and they'll all run down to the polls and pull the (R) handle out of fear.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Bird222

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
So...back to the topic: Why is the NC GOP doing this before the gubernatorial primaries, when there are still two Democrats in the race and the commercial will be long out of their minds when NC holds its general election for governor in the fall?

You know why.

I really don't.

If they have limited resources and they want to get a Republican governor elected, they'd wait until the fall.