Someone try to explain to me how the Gray family deserves 6.4M?

[JSt0rm]

I have yet to see Freddie Grey convicted of anything in the activities that led to his murder. In fact, didn't the DA drop all the made-up charges the cops tried to dump on him to cover themselves?

So he is INNOCENT UNTIL FOUND GUILTY as well right?

Or does that only apply to cops?

That only applies to white people.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I never said he deserved to die. Or that if he was abused by the police that he deserved that either. He absolutely did not deserve either. But no I am not at all sad that another leech is gone. 25 years old and 18 (at least juvy is not shown) arrests? Was he really doing anything good for the community he lived in, or was he contributing to make it worse? I think it is an obvious answer.

This amount of money is ridiculous for about anyone, not just him. I understand that putting a value on someones life if hard, and very open to personal opinion. A man who is married with two kids with a stay at home wife, that goes to work, and does all the things that dads do, TO ME is worth far more than someone who does none of that. Who has been arrested far too many times, who doesn't have a job. It will never get to that, weighing things in such a way. And honestly it probably shouldn't.

Must be nice to be so openly bigoted with your opinions. Who are you to decide what people are worth? The guy that thinks cops have the most dangerous job and need all sorts of special privileges? LOL

To help you out with the FACTS, since you always seem to be in short supply of them (and routinely ignore them when posted), let me help you with "rough rides"

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html

Relatives of Dondi Johnson Sr., who was left a paraplegic after a 2005 police van ride, won a $7.4 million verdict against police officers. A year earlier, Jeffrey Alston was awarded $39 million by a jury after he became paralyzed from the neck down as the result of a van ride. Others have also received payouts after filing lawsuits.

Both of these injured people got more money then Freddie Grey. Are they "leeches" too?

So what is your opinion of cops routinely driving around to intentionally injure people? Baltimore cops have been doing it for 40+ years, and other cities cops do it as well.

Doesn't seem like a few bad apples, now does it?

 

[Meghan54]

He doesn't even know what he is looking at. He is just trying to make this seem like a police problem, that's it. To do so he makes idiotic comparisons between the us and other "developed" nations that are far less diverse, far more educated on the bottom end, have better full employment, and have more social support and/or flatter economic societies. Thus, his framing is illogical to begin with.

When challenged he falls back to the sputtering sophomoric response of "but the cops are evil" because, despite his "enlightened man" perception of himself and his attempt to categorize me as a bully, he can't back up his retarded claims.

He had no regression analysis that had more than one variable. He is a fucking simple minded POS that cannot think beyond the first order, or beyond one variable.

Wait a minute.

First, I love the rather disingenuous quotes around the word developed in describing the other nations mentioned in the article. I tend to think Germany, the UK, Australia are pretty much the equal of the U.S. in the matter of whether they are "developed" nations or not. Maybe because the majority of those other mentioned nations have what you'd label socialist policies makes them only "developed" instead of our equals?

Second, you realize you're implying that having better educated populations, better income distribution, better employment and better social safety nets in some way contributes to the other "developed" nations having fewer police shootings/killings of civilians.....all of which are anathema to the conservative base in the U.S., since every one of those are goals of the progressive.

 

[sm625]

That money should come right out of the police pension fund.

 

[JSt0rm]

Wait a minute.

First, I love the rather disingenuous quotes around the word developed in describing the other nations mentioned in the article. I tend to think Germany, the UK, Australia are pretty much the equal of the U.S. in the matter of whether they are "developed" nations or not. Maybe because the majority of those other mentioned nations have what you'd label socialist policies makes them only "developed" instead of our equals?

Second, you realize you're implying that having better educated populations, better income distribution, better employment and better social safety nets in some way contributes to the other "developed" nations having fewer police shootings/killings of civilians.....all of which are anathema to the conservative base in the U.S., since every one of those are goals of the progressive.

bootstraps.txt

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Second, you realize you're implying that having better educated populations, better income distribution, better employment and better social safety nets in some way contributes to the other "developed" nations having fewer police shootings/killings of civilians.....all of which are anathema to the conservative base in the U.S., since every one of those are goals of the progressive.

Don't forget fewer guns, both in the hands of private citizens and police. England and Wales, where the police don't carry guns, has fewer police shootings than America, where the police do carry guns. I can't for the life of me think of a reason that might be...

 

[LegendKiller]

Wait a minute.

First, I love the rather disingenuous quotes around the word developed in describing the other nations mentioned in the article. I tend to think Germany, the UK, Australia are pretty much the equal of the U.S. in the matter of whether they are "developed" nations or not. Maybe because the majority of those other mentioned nations have what you'd label socialist policies makes them only "developed" instead of our equals?

Second, you realize you're implying that having better educated populations, better income distribution, better employment and better social safety nets in some way contributes to the other "developed" nations having fewer police shootings/killings of civilians.....all of which are anathema to the conservative base in the U.S., since every one of those are goals of the progressive.

You think I am against all of that?

 

[LegendKiller]

There is not only one variable under my model. I asked you to quote me as to where I said that, but you haven't done that yet. Is there a reason? This will be a particularly weird thing for you to say, considering I explicitly called out how I didn't think other IVs would exert sufficient influence to take away the disparity. (meaning that I was considering multiple IVs)

Again though, you asked me to support your invented contention of mine that r^2 for a single variable was close to 1 by citing a study that had a model including lots of other IVs in their model. Even if you hadn't been bullshitting about my argument that's a nonsensical request, as the r^2 from their study would be the r^2 for a model including lots of IVs, not just one. This would mean that you expected me to cite a study that was done incompetently by including a lot of extraneous variables in their regression that by definition couldn't have contributed to the model fit, or you didn't understand what r^2 is and how it applies here. Not to mention you were attempting to have me cite a model where a binary IV had a perfect r^2 with a non-binary DV. That's ridiculous on its face.

What you should have asked about was p values, just so you know for the future.

What you were really trying to do was put one by either me or other people by hoping they didn't know enough about statistics to call you on your bullshit.

You have not pointed to a model that has multiple ivs, you pointed to a simplistic link from one website comparing small populations without controlling for any other variable.

Show me a single statistically significant study that backs up your assertion.

But do please keep deflecting.

 

[JSt0rm]

You have not pointed to a model that has multiple ivs, you pointed to a simplistic link from one website comparing small populations without controlling for any other variable.

Show me a single statistically significant study that backs up your assertion.

But do please keep deflecting.

Someone needs a bit more leeroy jenkins in their life.

 

[fskimospy]

You have not pointed to a model that has multiple ivs, you pointed to a simplistic link from one website comparing small populations without controlling for any other variable.

No shit, I showed a truly huge disparity that I don't think can be remotely accounted for by demographic disparities. One other person already mentioned one of the big differences: in the UK the police don't carry guns. (but this is a policy choice, which is of course my whole point.)

Again, if you think a 7,000% per year disparity is purely the result of non-police factors you're welcome to that opinion. I think that's delusional.

Show me a single statistically significant study that backs up your assertion.

But do please keep deflecting.

Deflecting? You're the one who started babbling a bunch of nonsensical statements about statistics. Maybe in the future we can dispense with the stats "lessons" where you hope nobody else knows what they're talking about and you can just spout a bunch of vaguely stats-y sounding shit.

Like I said at the beginning, I have no desire to go further on this with you because I am confident you will just hand wave away all other evidence like you have here. I think the disparity is compelling, you want to ignore it. Enjoy!

 

[LegendKiller]

No shit, I showed a truly huge disparity that I don't think can be remotely accounted for by demographic disparities. One other person already mentioned one of the big differences: in the UK the police don't carry guns. (but this is a policy choice, which is of course my whole point.)

Again, if you think a 7,000% per year disparity is purely the result of non-police factors you're welcome to that opinion. I think that's delusional.



Deflecting? You're the one who started babbling a bunch of nonsensical statements about statistics. Maybe in the future we can dispense with the stats "lessons" where you hope nobody else knows what they're talking about and you can just spout a bunch of vaguely stats-y sounding shit.

Like I said at the beginning, I have no desire to go further on this with you because I am confident you will just hand wave away all other evidence like you have here. I think the disparity is compelling, you want to ignore it. Enjoy!

Bitch, please. You made the idiotic statement that we have a problem with police violence. Your simplistic view there is DV (P SHOOTINGS) = POLICE. That's it

Then you link to a site that compares Iceland to stockton CA. A country which has 93% indigenous people with no problems of ethnicity, very low crime, very high education, and a relatively flat wealth and income distribution. You attempt to deflect by some bullshittery that I was using statistics wrongly, but you misunderstood thst I was pointing out that you fail to control for any other variables. Instead your total regression =1 with the regression only having one IV, violent cops.

You fail to account for the FACT that without cops being put into violent stations there would be far fewer shootings. Those violent situations are largely caused by criminals. Criminality is caused by lack of education, lack of employment, lack of opportunities, drugs...etc.

Most of those examples do not have those issues. Thus, your regression analysis sucks and you fucking know it.

The complexity of the situation is not wholly caused by cop violence but shitheads like you would love to mislead people, especially ones who do not understand regressions, or look beyond a first order analysis.

You are the type of shithead who would blame Officer Wilson for Michael brown being dead. Ignore the FACT that Michael Brown reached for the gun. Ignore that he was a criminal. Ignore that he assaulted people just before.

Nope, Wilson was a violent cop, that's it.


This is the intellectual dishonesty you engage in, despite being a supposedly educated person. I merely pointed out how stupid your analysis, and website link, was. That point still stands


Your idiot assertion, thst we have violent cop problem, had not been proven. You have the burden of proof to prove such a moronic statement.

But I do like how you duhverted this and tried to make it thst you called me out non my "bullshit", when, in fact, I am the one who is calling you out in your incorrect and idiotic assertion.


Suck it up bitchtits and link up something that proves your assertion after controlling for demographic, economic, education, among other variables to isolate *only* violent cops and how much influence they have on shootings, rather than the circumstances that put them there.

 

[JSt0rm]

Some people think our ethnic diversity is one of our strengths. Are you saying ethnic diversity is a problem? What ethnic population do you deem unworthy of 'murica?

 

[JSt0rm]

come on ignorant white people. Please tell me what ehtnic populations are the problem? Or is it all of them? Iceland is the greatest because they have a homogenized culture and no ethnic diversity? America was built on ethnic diversity. Maybe you guys should go live in Iceland if you want the land of white people.

 

[fskimospy]

Bitch, please. You made the idiotic statement that we have a problem with police violence. Your simplistic view there is DV (P SHOOTINGS) = POLICE. That's it.

Lol, this is desperate flailing.

Saying we have a problem with police violence means... we have a problem with police violence. It does not mean that every police shooting in the US is the result of bad actions by police.

Trying to twist someone's argument into that is desperate and pathetic. You're either smart enough to know why that's dumb and so you're a liar or you're an idiot. There is no other answer.

Then you link to a site that compares Iceland to stockton CA. A country which has 93% indigenous people with no problems of ethnicity, very low crime, very high education, and a relatively flat wealth and income distribution.

It actually does a lot of comparisons, the point of which being that police shootings in the US are hugely, hugely higher than in every other developed country. That's it. This is not a difficult page to understand, and so I'm baffled as to why you're having so much trouble with it.

You attempt to deflect by some bullshittery that I was using statistics wrongly, but you misunderstood thst I was pointing out that you fail to control for any other variables. Instead your total regression =1 with the regression only having one IV, violent cops.

No. You did two things there:

1. You dishonestly attempted to equate me saying 'we have a police violence problem' with 'police are the only cause of any police shooting'. I'm sure you know how dumb this is, but you don't have any other way of escaping the argument without admitting you did something stupid.

2. Even granting your stupid premise your understanding of statistics and research is shit. You requested proof of an r^2 of 1 for a binary IV on a non-binary DV. You wanted me to prove an r^2 of 1 for a single variable by citing models that included multiple regressors. That would mean that you wanted me to cite an incompetently made model that included pointless IVs in order to prove my point. (if they added no explanatory value they would have been removed) Both of these things are pants-on-head stupid requests to make.

You fail to account for the FACT that without cops being put into violent stations there would be far fewer shootings. Those violent situations are largely caused by criminals. Criminality is caused by lack of education, lack of employment, lack of opportunities, drugs...etc.

The idea that those examples don't have those is silly. (the UK for example has historically had higher unemployment than the US.) Second, your contention is that those differences account for the ENTIRE disparity, which I find preposterous. Again, that's the whole point.

Most of those examples do not have those issues. Thus, your regression analysis sucks and you fucking know it.

I didn't make a regression analysis, and you're clearly not someone capable of analyzing one considering the shit you've tried to say here. Just stop.

The complexity of the situation is not wholly caused by cop violence but shitheads like you would love to mislead people, especially ones who do not understand regressions, or look beyond a first order analysis.

You are the type of shithead who would blame Officer Wilson for Michael brown being dead. Ignore the FACT that Michael Brown reached for the gun. Ignore that he was a criminal. Ignore that he assaulted people just before.

Nope, Wilson was a violent cop, that's it.

It's hilarious to me that in the same thread where you tried to declare that saying 'police violence is a problem' = 'all police violence is caused by police' that you are accusing someone else of trying to mislead people.

That's embarrassing.

This is the intellectual dishonesty you engage in, despite being a supposedly educated person. I merely pointed out how stupid your analysis, and website link, was. That point still stands

Your idiot assertion, thst we have violent cop problem, had not been proven. You have the burden of proof to prove such a moronic statement.

Now you're just raging like a lunatic as you usually do when you feel threatened. As always your go-to position is to insult people and try and bluster your way past them. That shit doesn't work on me.

 

[Ackmed]

Must be nice to be so openly bigoted with your opinions. Who are you to decide what people are worth? The guy that thinks cops have the most dangerous job and need all sorts of special privileges? LOL

To help you out with the FACTS, since you always seem to be in short supply of them (and routinely ignore them when posted), let me help you with "rough rides"

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html



Both of these injured people got more money then Freddie Grey. Are they "leeches" too?

So what is your opinion of cops routinely driving around to intentionally injure people? Baltimore cops have been doing it for 40+ years, and other cities cops do it as well.

Doesn't seem like a few bad apples, now does it?

I never said anything about race, once again you and your pals are assuming too much. And flat out lying about things I said. I never said that cops have the most dangerous job, or deserved special privileges. At least try to stick to facts. It is always the same with you, you following me around trying to instigate something. Same with your other pals. Kinda sad actually.

I also never said that "rough rides" didn't happen. I do not condone them at all. I also said he did not deserve to die, if in fact he was killed by the cops. I was referring to Gray as a leech, I didn't look into the other cases you cited. They also lived, he did not. You didn't try to use any sort of logic to disprove what I said about Gray. What did he do good for the community in which he was arrested so often in? Did he work, did he do ANYTHING productive with his young life? There are all colors of leeching in my opinion. Again, I never once said anything about him being black. But about him being pretty much useless according to records and reports. You obviously don't even care about him, you can't even spell his name correctly. Just using him as a puppet to argue about.

I know your tactics, you're going to come back with more insults and personal attacks. Getting off topic and lying more. Same for your other posters. I won't be a part of it again, enjoy talking to yourself.

 

[LegendKiller]

Lol, this is desperate flailing.

Saying we have a problem with police violence means... we have a problem with police violence. It does not mean that every police shooting in the US is the result of bad actions by police.

Trying to twist someone's argument into that is desperate and pathetic. You're either smart enough to know why that's dumb and so you're a liar or you're an idiot. There is no other answer.



It actually does a lot of comparisons, the point of which being that police shootings in the US are hugely, hugely higher than in every other developed country. That's it. This is not a difficult page to understand, and so I'm baffled as to why you're having so much trouble with it.



No. You did two things there:

1. You dishonestly attempted to equate me saying 'we have a police violence problem' with 'police are the only cause of any police shooting'. I'm sure you know how dumb this is, but you don't have any other way of escaping the argument without admitting you did something stupid.

2. Even granting your stupid premise your understanding of statistics and research is shit. You requested proof of an r^2 of 1 for a binary IV on a non-binary DV. You wanted me to prove an r^2 of 1 for a single variable by citing models that included multiple regressors. That would mean that you wanted me to cite an incompetently made model that included pointless IVs in order to prove my point. (if they added no explanatory value they would have been removed) Both of these things are pants-on-head stupid requests to make.



The idea that those examples don't have those is silly. (the UK for example has historically had higher unemployment than the US.) Second, your contention is that those differences account for the ENTIRE disparity, which I find preposterous. Again, that's the whole point.



I didn't make a regression analysis, and you're clearly not someone capable of analyzing one considering the shit you've tried to say here. Just stop.



It's hilarious to me that in the same thread where you tried to declare that saying 'police violence is a problem' = 'all police violence is caused by police' that you are accusing someone else of trying to mislead people.

That's embarrassing.



Now you're just raging like a lunatic as you usually do when you feel threatened. As always your go-to position is to insult people and try and bluster your way past them. That shit doesn't work on me.

So no real analysis. Gotcha thanks

 

[JSt0rm]

I never said anything about race, once again you and your pals are assuming too much. And flat out lying about things I said. I never said that cops have the most dangerous job, or deserved special privileges. At least try to stick to facts. It is always the same with you, you following me around trying to instigate something. Same with your other pals. Kinda sad actually.

I also never said that "rough rides" didn't happen. I do not condone them at all. I also said he did not deserve to die, if in fact he was killed by the cops. I was referring to Gray as a leech, I didn't look into the other cases you cited. They also lived, he did not. You didn't try to use any sort of logic to disprove what I said about Gray. What did he do good for the community in which he was arrested so often in? Did he work, did he do ANYTHING productive with his young life? There are all colors of leeching in my opinion. Again, I never once said anything about him being black. But about him being pretty much useless according to records and reports. You obviously don't even care about him, you can't even spell his name correctly. Just using him as a puppet to argue about.

I know your tactics, you're going to come back with more insults and personal attacks. Getting off topic and lying more. Same for your other posters. I won't be a part of it again, enjoy talking to yourself.

You tried to argue that cops jobs were more dangerous then loggers because being killed by a tree isnt as stressful as being shot. lol. #loggerslivesmatter

How come loggers dont get a pension?

 

[Sonikku]

I know this is 'murica and all, but should we really determine a person's worth by their "commercial value"?

Government does. Why should the rest of the country be any different? :hmm:

 

[lotus503]

Interesting to read all of the predictions about the family and money.

By interesting, I mean disturbing.

 

[JSt0rm]

Interesting to read all of the predictions about the family and money.

By interesting, I mean disturbing.

very much so. It must be horrible to only have the color of your skin to be proud about.

 

[CitizenKain]

This is the intellectual dishonesty you engage in, despite being a supposedly educated person. I merely pointed out how stupid your analysis, and website link, was. That point still stands

Its lowering things to a level people like you are capable of understanding.

 

[Victorian Gray]

In all seriousness I thought there was a report that he had tried to injure himself purposely before. Has that now been refuted? Again, not trying to be flippant.

Yes it was, long ago. And he didn't have spinal surgery the week before either.

 

[x26]

there are piles of racists around here. Its pretty disappointing to see actually. They dont see freddie as a human they see him as some kind of animal that deserves death. So in their minds its impossible his life was worth any settlement let alone 6.5 mill.

What is the saying (or song lyric I guess):

If you are an upper class white male stfu already about what a black mans life is worth. They had enough of that in the past. Maybe they know the system is rigged against them. Maybe they know they will never rise above that poverty. Maybe they know they will never get a job, eat a healthy meal or actual enjoy living in the ways we know. Maybe they gave up.

Because in the end they are just as human and just as weak as all of us. Because I can tell you I would be in a most helpless state if I grew up in such poverty with no way out and chances are most of you would be too.

The Resident "Mentally Disabled" has Spoken!!

 

[x26]

That only applies to white people.

You are just another Filthy Racist!!

 

[JSt0rm]

The Resident "Mentally Disabled" has Spoken!!

u dumb.