Someone try to explain to me how the Gray family deserves 6.4M?

[bshole]

At least his family will get off of food stamps now. But no, it seems he was a worthless human being, that did nothing for society. Going by his record anyways.

He was worth far more dead than alive, that is for sure. That is an absolute shit ton of money.

 

[steppinthrax]

He was worth far more dead than alive, that is for sure. That is an absolute shit ton of money.

This goes the same for many Baltimore City Residence....

 

[realibrad]

This is the only way you can fix government right now. We live in a country where the government is to serve people, but people pay to be served. I hope there are criminal charges, but the incentive needs to be that the city has an interest in its public bodies. Punitive damages is one way to do this.

The point of a settlement is not to reimburse just the value of the utility of the person on society. That is partly due to the fact its hard to calculate, but its also because some people would give up anything to undo some things. I have met many parents that would give up anything to save their child. If you offered a billion dollars, they would not allow you to kill their child.

You seem to have forgotten that the government is the responsibility of its citizens.

 

[CitizenKain]

Whatever....

In my mind the most I would have awarded is 50K take it or leave it....

Its a good thing they didn't ask what a complete idiot thinks about this then. Who also doesn't appear to understand the word punitive.

 

[OutHouse]

$6.4M from the city. Boy oh boy, that's going to help bring that cestpool city back up to middle class levels.

Everyone should go thank them for the increase in tax rates they are going to have.

The city's insurance will pay it.

 

[OutHouse]

You look at his/her education/skillset/occupation.

In Freddie Gray's case it's NONE/NONE/NONE

So you give the family a minimal amount.....

I'm not saying the cops and procedures were good. Wrong was done, but it
doesn't equate to 6.4M....

Evidently it does.

And please explain your absurd values.

 

[GoPackGo]

http://news.yahoo.com/freddie-grays-family-settles-city-6-4m-145735914.html

This guy was a criminal. He had no commercial value before his arrest and probably would have the same if he never died...

They could have taken out the whole family for cheaper.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I'd be ok with someone's family being paid for the worth of the person who died.

Please tell us what your wife is worth to you. You know, if the police killed her. Or your child; what's your child's life worth to you? My daughter is only one, so really she's just an economic drain for at least another 17 years. But I can tell you, if someone offered me $6.4 million for her, I'd tell them to pound sand. Trying to determine an economic worth for compensatory damages during accidental deaths is for insurance adjusters and psychopaths. But no matter what dollar amount their formulas arrive at, it's never going to be enough to replace the loss of a loved one. Never. All this bloviating about how much Freddie Gray was "worth" is the deranged rantings of a lunatic mind.

 

[MustISO]

I'd really like there to be a standard amount for cases of wrongful death. 6.4 million is obviously not based on lost earnings or potential earnings. I don't know how you determine what a case like this is worth but I would think wrongful death cases would should be 250,000 to no more than 1 million depending on circumstances.

It does nothing to stop it from happening again, it's not like anyone will change their behavior based on the city having to pay out this money. If the family doesn't put it into a trust or have it managed by someone they're going to blow through it or wind up in all kinds of trouble.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

It does nothing to stop it from happening again, it's not like anyone will change their behavior based on the city having to pay out this money.

If your policy is based solely around whether or not it discourages future occurrences, then surely you'll agree that we should move to a "three strikes, you're free" method of dealing with violent criminals. After all, if jail did nothing to stop it from happening again the first couple times, it's not worth bothering with.

And I disagree that nothing will happen. If the fines get big enough, the police commissioner is going to find himself out the door, so he's got pretty good incentive to make sure no one dies in police custody and get rid of the officers with high numbers of incidents. When those numbers start creeping up and people in positions of power find themselves facing forced retirement, you'll see some change come down the pike.

 

[Bitek]

You look at his/her education/skillset/occupation.

In Freddie Gray's case it's NONE/NONE/NONE

So you give the family a minimal amount.....

I'm not saying the cops and procedures were good. Wrong was done, but it doesn't equate to 6.4M....

I believe they took the std value for a white person and just multiplied by 3/5ths.

Don't worry though, you're still worth $10.6M if the cops murder you. Privilege is safe.

 

[OutHouse]

It does nothing to stop it from happening again

Fines absolutely change behavior

 

[JEDIYoda]

At least his family will get off of food stamps now. But no, it seems he was a worthless human being, that did nothing for society. Going by his record anyways.

Just because h may have been a useless human being that absolves the Police from their actions?? hmmm...ok

 

[marincounty]

The problem is the taxpayers have to pay this. This happens across the country, and I am not aware of any case where the money comes from the police dept budget.
The cops need to take a hit to their pocketbooks if it is going to have any impact.

 

[Mai72]

The problem is the taxpayers have to pay this. This happens across the country, and I am not aware of any case where the money comes from the police dept budget.
The cops need to take a hit to their pocketbooks if it is going to have any impact.

Exactly. This doesn't deter anything.

 

[Zaap]

Please tell us what your wife is worth to you. You know, if the police killed her. Or your child; what's your child's life worth to you? My daughter is only one, so really she's just an economic drain for at least another 17 years. But I can tell you, if someone offered me $6.4 million for her, I'd tell them to pound sand. Trying to determine an economic worth for compensatory damages during accidental deaths is for insurance adjusters and psychopaths. But no matter what dollar amount their formulas arrive at, it's never going to be enough to replace the loss of a loved one. Never. All this bloviating about how much Freddie Gray was "worth" is the deranged rantings of a lunatic mind.

This.

Compensation of this sort isn't a value judgement based on some willy-nilly notion of who is worth how much, and who else is worth nothing.

If you're wrongfully responsible for someone's death as a city or PD dept. you should have to pay up whatever damages a court determines, not based on "Well, that guy was just a worthless pile of trash, so fuck paying anyone anything."

What kind of bone-stupid society would function that way?

 

[Bock]

Crazy thing is you know this family won't know how to handle this kind of money. They are going to spend it on shoes, TVs, cars and BS.

6.4m minus 30% for the lawyers minus taxes = 2.74m left for the family. They will be poor within five years. Decade max.

 

[Hugo Drax]

I predict the money will be gone by the second year after getting the check. Not only gone but they will be in a big debt hole.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Nice to see how many close friends of the family we have in here. All you folks who know the family so well that you know not only what they will spend all this money on but how long it will take them to spend it all.

 

[1sikbITCH]

$6.4M from the city. Boy oh boy, that's going to help bring that cestpool city back up to middle class levels.

Everyone should go thank them for the increase in tax rates they are going to have.

Nope. They'll go to Vegas.
6 weeks later they'll be back in Bmore on the welfare rolls. Sad but true.

 

[MustISO]

If your policy is based solely around whether or not it discourages future occurrences, then surely you'll agree that we should move to a "three strikes, you're free" method of dealing with violent criminals. After all, if jail did nothing to stop it from happening again the first couple times, it's not worth bothering with.

My point was a fine in this case would not change anything or alter behavior. Bad people will continue to do bad things.

Jail time or a death sentence most certainly will stop them from committing another crime outside of prison. If I made the laws I would have much more severe punishments for violent crimes.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Nice to see how many close friends of the family we have in here. All you folks who know the family so well that you know not only what they will spend all this money on but how long it will take them to spend it all.

They're compassionate conservatives. Empathy comes naturally to them

 

[Victorian Gray]

They're compassionate conservatives. Empathy comes naturally to them

Well, that's certainly a way to describe them. The words 'ass' and 'hats' come to mind as well.

 

[Ophir]

i believe they took the std value for a white person and just multiplied by 3/5ths.

Don't worry though, you're still worth $10.6m if the cops murder you. Privilege is safe.

oh snap!

 

[LegendKiller]

Just because h may have been a useless human being that absolves the Police from their actions?? hmmm...ok

Which actions are those? I have yet to see whether these cops, who are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, have actually been *FOUND GUILTY*.