Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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rommelrommel

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Everyone knew there was some theft, but the further you got up the chain the less you knew. There was also no motivation for low level supply personnel or commanders to admit they were woefully unprepared. They didn’t even know they were actually going to attack Ukraine in most cases. Those that did were told they’d be welcomed by the people and most of the military for casting off the yoke of their Jewish Nazi globalist western puppet leaders.
 
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K1052

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Another Shahed 136 attack on Kyiv last night. Russians seem to have mostly switched to using these at night. Likely due to their relatively pokey speed and loud engines which makes them quite vulnerable to ground fire from the many types of improvised anti aircraft guns Ukraine is starting to field. For example:

 
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Jaskalas

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The drones are meant to inflict damage at a fraction of the cost of missiles.
Still seems effective, even if only a handful get through at a time.
 

K1052

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The drones are meant to inflict damage at a fraction of the cost of missiles.
Still seems effective, even if only a handful get through at a time.

If you have a large steady supply of expendable drones high rates of failure due to mechanical or interception is acceptable. The problem for Russia is that their supply is almost entirely limited by what the Iranians can provide and that's by no means bottomless. There was just a long lull in these attacks due to Russia expending their stock much faster than Iran can make them. A lot of the components have to be scavenged from the black and grey markets because they can't be had legally from foreign suppliers.

I think most daytime raids with these had become virtually useless as Ukraine adapted by simply mounting 12.7mm or better guns on everything they could find.
 

KMFJD

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sounds like Russian bloggers are at their shits end

~The result at the moment (which the Russian media and biased bloggers are diligently trying to cover up with stories about how the fucking positions are taken out by 57-mm anti-aircraft guns and how cool it is to burn through the life of tank barrels with constant firing from closed positions) is a monstrous shell hunger in artillery. Air strikes from afar with unguided 80-mm rockets from a pitch-up (because if you fly closer, they will shoot you down) are also something only tickles a well-entrenched enemy, although it can look very impressive. Pew pew pew! Hooray! What a shot! And when the smoke settled – another plowed field. And the remnants of cannon artillery shells are spent, of course, on these same mini-Verduns throughout the contact line, which the Russian army diligently breeds one after another, grinding down infantry at them. Did the artillery gain radically more “eyes” in the air after 10 months? No. Did the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation bring the artillerymen enough autumn and winter camouflage nets for their guns? No. And winter is ahead. It will no longer be possible to hide the guns in the forests – the forests are bare, and then more snow will fall and in general, every step will be visible from the air. And the enemy with the UAV is doing well. Even considering losses. On our side, the stupid morons who wasted the ammo on plowing the fields decided to replace the six-inch projectiles with VOGs [grenades] dropped from copters. With the motivation “Well, ho@#!s do it!”

Russians are starting to use tanks for artillery roles as they are running out of shells , thereby wasting the tanks (well tank barrels)
 
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K1052

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sounds like Russian bloggers are at their shits end

~The result at the moment (which the Russian media and biased bloggers are diligently trying to cover up with stories about how the fucking positions are taken out by 57-mm anti-aircraft guns and how cool it is to burn through the life of tank barrels with constant firing from closed positions) is a monstrous shell hunger in artillery. Air strikes from afar with unguided 80-mm rockets from a pitch-up (because if you fly closer, they will shoot you down) are also something only tickles a well-entrenched enemy, although it can look very impressive. Pew pew pew! Hooray! What a shot! And when the smoke settled – another plowed field. And the remnants of cannon artillery shells are spent, of course, on these same mini-Verduns throughout the contact line, which the Russian army diligently breeds one after another, grinding down infantry at them. Did the artillery gain radically more “eyes” in the air after 10 months? No. Did the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation bring the artillerymen enough autumn and winter camouflage nets for their guns? No. And winter is ahead. It will no longer be possible to hide the guns in the forests – the forests are bare, and then more snow will fall and in general, every step will be visible from the air. And the enemy with the UAV is doing well. Even considering losses. On our side, the stupid morons who wasted the ammo on plowing the fields decided to replace the six-inch projectiles with VOGs [grenades] dropped from copters. With the motivation “Well, ho@#!s do it!”

Russians are starting to use tanks for artillery roles as they are running out of shells , thereby wasting the tanks (well tank barrels)

The number of indicators that Russia is running short of munitions/barrels/parts for their 152s and 122s has been growing in discussion some lately. I mean you don't go begging North Korea for shells if your burn rate is anything close to acceptable too.

Both sides have been using tanks as improvised artillery but more reports lately of Russians doing it and ruining the barrels because they aren't careful.
 
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So. This talk about a major push come early next year is... propaganda to start negotiations?
 

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I don't know where they are pulling the bodies, hardware or supplies from to do it.
There are reports that police and emergency services have been told to prep a go bag. Large amounts of former military personnel are in these services and they have been immune to mobilisation so far. Looks like they are next.
 

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So Russia continues to burn through old tech, Ukraine gets newer Tech from many different countries. Completely sustainable for the Russians.
 
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The BJP will just blame the other parties and especially the Muslims.
At some point someone is going to have to sail a Navy in and end the blockade to end the famine.



Interesting thing is India is first up to starve. India moved quick to support Russia in this, and India is getting that cheap blood oil from Russia. Blood oil does not feed anyone though. Not feeling like we should put our people in harms way for India just yet.

The famine will not stop at India though, and eventually someone is going to have to do something.
Liberal fantasies at its core.

So there was no blood oil when the West wrecked half the Middle East through invasions and craftily sponsored civil wars?
 
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Young Grasshopper

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View attachment 72982

Russia negotiated in good faith

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excuse me guys while I laugh at this fucking idiot!

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This fucking retard obviously didn't get a history lesson.. and needs to go back to 5th grade.. never mind 6th grade that he's talking about




Last time I checked, Russia only invaded Ukraine AFTER the west interfered with Ukraine's elections(2014) and AFTER Ukraine did not implent the Minks accords they agreed to(2015), not BEFORE. Not to mention, NATO's continued expansion eastward.

Might want to get your timelines correct.

Good try though.
 
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Young Grasshopper

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Minsk 1 said that BOTH SIDES would cease hostilities. Neither side ceased hostilities. Once of the flaws of Minsk 1 was that it didn't set out control of all contested areas. Russia also failed to withdraw their "little green men." Just as a point of order Minsk offered nothing like Taiwan-esque status. Nor should it have... Taiwan is a de facto independent country that the PRC is determined to retake. Giving the DNR/LNR a similar status would be exactly what you decry, because Ukraine would always be threatening to retake them by force.


Let me try to explain this one more time. Was it Vladmir Putin, or the former president of Ukraine and Angela Merkel who basically admitted it was a sham agreement? So it is irrelevant if neither side ceased hostilities when one side basically never intended to implement it. Get it?

Any criticism of LNR/DNR/Russia for failing to implement? For continuing combat operations? Any suspicion that they signed to build up their forces? LOL nope, because you're a Russian shill.

Remind me again why a nuclear power would use this agreement, not implement it and use the time to build up for their forces against Ukraine? Has Putin said this was the intent? Last time I checked he hasn't said this, but a former president of Ukraine and Prime Minster of Germany sure have.


Also you're incredibly blind to the politics of such agreements. Countries sign agreements they don't intend to fulfill all the time. Since you're so upset by this, could you give your thoughts on the Budapest Memorandum?

Budapest didn't account for the possibility of NATO expanding to Russia's borders, backing a coup attempt by right-wing Nazi's, armed by NATO. Everything was fine in Ukraine before that right? Right.

And again, NOTHING IN MINSK PRECLUDED WEAPONS TO UKRAINE. Only a massively disingenuous person would keep bringing this up as some kind of violation.

Here you go again mentioning Minks, which from Ukraine's perspective is irrelevant because they had 0 intention of implementing it even before it was signed.

How does Ukraine not implementing Minsk benefit Ukraine? Your entire theory is that they signed it with no intention of implementing it to somehow gain an advantage. What was it? How would it have worked? If implementing would have given Ukraine an advantage, shouldn't you be happy that they failed to do so?

It does not benefit Ukraine. It benefits NATO/US because they tried to pull Ukraine into it's 'sphere of influence'. You guys keep thinking this is about Ukraine. It isn't. It's NATO vs Russia and Ukraine is just the battlefield. NATO has been doing everything they can to go to war with Russia, from continued NATO expansion eastward for decades, launching coup attempts and installing western puppet presidents, and continuing the flow of weapons and putting them on Russia's borders.

Could you please point to a single person acting like this war started in February? We're all very aware that Russia invaded and stole Crimea in 2014 along with instigating and supplying a civil war with men and weapons in LNR/DNR.

That was Russia's response to the west backing a coup to overthrow a democratically elected president of Ukraine, which borders Russia. You think the US would stand idle if Russia backed a coup and ended up toppling the Mexican/Canadian president and putting a Russian puppet in place? The US lost its shit when they found out USSR was setting up missile silos in Cuba.

How about this. How about we stop meddling in other country's affairs and mind our own business for once? The US government has/is:

-Overthrew Saddam Hussein
-Overthrew Gaddafi
-Backed a coup which overthrew the president of Ukraine in 2014
-Bombed the fuck out of Afghanistan for 20 years and lost
-Bombed the fuck out of Vietnam and lost
-Bombed the fuck out of Iraq, a war which saw over a million people killed
-Currently, ILLEGALLY occupying a third of Syria
-Tried to overthrow Fidel Castro
-Tried to overthrow Hugo Chavez several times
-Tried to overthrow Nicolas Maduro several times

And now fueling a proxy war for a non-NATO country. Do you see the problem here? We're the problem. We go around bullying other nations, for reasons that don't benefit the people, but benefit defense and fossil fuel industries.

There was a poll a few years ago asking which country posed the greatest threat to world peace. Can you guess which country came out on top?

 

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Last time I checked, Russia only invaded Ukraine AFTER the west interfered with Ukraine's elections(2014) and AFTER Ukraine did not implent the Minks accords they agreed to(2015), not BEFORE. Not to mention, NATO's continued expansion eastward.

Might want to get your timelines correct.

Good try though.
well see there is your problem, you suck at "checking".
like your point doesn't even actually make sense, the west meddled in Ukraine , so now the people who know Russia best fight tooth and nail because why ?

like honestly what does your life look like , to feel the need to just dribble bullshit on a random forum.

i actually have pity for you , how small and insignificant your life must be...
 
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