Let me try to explain this one more time. Was it Vladmir Putin, or the former president of Ukraine and Angela Merkel who basically admitted it was a sham agreement? So it is irrelevant if neither side ceased hostilities when one side basically never intended to implement it. Get it?
Remind me again why a nuclear power would use this agreement, not implement it and use the time to build up for their forces against Ukraine? Has Putin said this was the intent? Last time I checked he hasn't said this, but a former president of Ukraine and Prime Minster of Germany sure have.
Budapest didn't account for the possibility of NATO expanding to Russia's borders, backing a coup attempt by right-wing Nazi's, armed by NATO. Everything was fine in Ukraine before that right? Right.
Here you go again mentioning Minks, which from Ukraine's perspective is irrelevant because they had 0 intention of implementing it even before it was signed.
It does not benefit Ukraine. It benefits NATO/US because they tried to pull Ukraine into it's 'sphere of influence'. You guys keep thinking this is about Ukraine. It isn't. It's NATO vs Russia and Ukraine is just the battlefield. NATO has been doing everything they can to go to war with Russia, from continued NATO expansion eastward for decades, launching coup attempts and installing western puppet presidents, and continuing the flow of weapons and putting them on Russia's borders.
That was Russia's response to the west backing a coup to overthrow a democratically elected president of Ukraine, which borders Russia. You think the US would stand idle if Russia backed a coup and ended up toppling the Mexican/Canadian president and putting a Russian puppet in place? The US lost its shit when they found out USSR was setting up missile silos in Cuba.
How about this. How about we stop meddling in other country's affairs and mind our own business for once? The US government has/is:
-Overthrew Saddam Hussein
-Overthrew Gaddafi
-Backed a coup which overthrew the president of Ukraine in 2014
-Bombed the fuck out of Afghanistan for 20 years and lost
-Bombed the fuck out of Vietnam and lost
-Bombed the fuck out of Iraq, a war which saw over a million people killed
-Currently, ILLEGALLY occupying a third of Syria
-Tried to overthrow Fidel Castro
-Tried to overthrow Hugo Chavez several times
-Tried to overthrow Nicolas Maduro several times
And now fueling a proxy war for a non-NATO country. Do you see the problem here? We're the problem. We go around bullying other nations, for reasons that don't benefit the people, but benefit defense and fossil fuel industries.
There was a poll a few years ago asking which country posed the greatest threat to world peace. Can you guess which country came out on top?
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The bullshit levels here are over 9000.
That’s a completely wilful misrepresentation of what Merkel said. She never said Ukraine had no intention of implementing it, she said the agreement was to buy time for Ukraine to get stronger. Implementing it would have benefited Ukraine in that regard. Poroshenko said nothing different. Only dimwits like you think… wait, you’re not thinking but just regurgitating Russian state media… regurgitate this nonsense even when it makes no internal sense at all.
Ukraine negotiated Minsk for what reason? You say they had no intention of implementing it, and they didn’t implement it, so literally nothing changed, no advantage gained.
Russia also clearly had no intention of implementing it. You want us to believe that we can’t come to that conclusion unless the ex-KGB dictator admits it publicly. That’s moronic.
If you want to argue that Budapest was violated by your imaginary nonsense Putin should have repudiated it. But hey, you still probably accept his nonsense assertion of this being a “special military operation.”
You offer nothing but bullshit assertions about this supposed coup nearly a decade ago, turns out there’s been another election and Ukrainians seem pretty happy with their government.
Nazis, lol. When Putin cleans up his own Nazis maybe he’ll have a whiff a credibility about Nazis in Ukraine. You actually sound a bit Nazish at times, should we SMO you?
As for your NATO doing everything they can to war with Russia, give me a break. NATO has had reasonable pretexts and better opportunities to go to war with Russia in the past and they never have. They don’t want to, and even if they did nuclear deterrence works. If the real goal was a NATO/Russia war the best thing Putin could do is keep his military inside his own borders because he’s squandered an awful lot of it on accomplishing very little in Ukraine. Could you imagine how badly Russia would get stomped in a conventional war? You’d be crying for weeks. Ukraine being in NATO, friendly to NATO, friendly to Russia, it doesn’t change the math in a NATO/Russia conflict.
And as for your normal vomit of whataboutism, the US has done some good from time to time as well. WW1, WW2, Korea, I’m going to differ and say Afghanistan was both justified and well intentioned, support of Taiwan, the gulf war was justified, so simply listing American misdeeds isn’t proof that Ukraine is another Vietnam. You might notice the differences if you can stop hating your own country and the west for long enough to realise that for all the fault they’re much preferable to Russia right now and there’s no mystery why Ukraine would want to ally with the west.
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