Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Indus

Lifer
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Regarding Ukranian casualties..

Watched another vid on YouTube last night . Some not very well trained Ukraine soldiers with bright yellow helmets taking casualties and one blown to bits at Bakhmut . The bright yellow helmets can be seen for miles.

I know you want to identify yourself to avoid friendly fire but that’s putting a big target up!

BTW.. brand spanking new Russkie Mi-8 helicopter being delivered from the manufacturer to a Russian Airfield, decided to crash on landing.

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Would sure like Ukraine to cut out the Keystone cops bit and leave it to the expert Russkies!
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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gonna guess his name/color/culture doesn't trigger the proper GQP response of "real American" for them to agree that Biden did a good job.


I didn't see where Biden did anything to get this trade. Do you have a link where the US was involved as it didn't mention any US involvement in the negotiations.

It is good he was released along with the others. It has nothing to do with his name/color/culture.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Russia's aim is ethnic cleansing, to Genocide the Ukrainian people. This is Nazism in action.
Unless we endorse this, then we are at war with Russia and we need to act like it.
We need to ramp up production lines for Ukraine to use.

Ukraine needs hundreds of thousands of shells, drones, missiles, etc. For decades, our army mostly existed to counter the Soviets. The time to act on that, the time to use that, is now. If a third of our defense Budget is not dedicated to Ukraine's defense, then we have failed in our purpose and our mission. Our slow and meek response is sickening me. There is no reason Russia shouldn't be sent packing, fleeing back to the border, and crying for mercy.

We need to stop pretending we are not at war and get down to the business of winning this thing. Of ramping up production and ensuring victory.
And until production comes online, send Ukraine EVERYTHING we have. If it is not bolted down, send it.
 

Young Grasshopper

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That’s a lot of words to say that no, you either haven’t read it or you’re incapable of understanding it.

Seeing as Minsk was flawed from the start and no one seemed too interested in making concessions to implement it, Russia and LNR/DNR included, how do you possibly get to blaming NATO?

You assert that Minsk was simply intended to give Ukraine time to build military power.

How would have implementing Minsk have helped Ukraine do this?

If Minsk was intended by Ukraine to help them build up their forces why did they not implement it?

If your assertion is true that Minsk was intended from the start to help Ukraine build more combat power it seems that Ukraine would then want to implement it even if that meant withdrawing from the contested areas that Minsk failed to address, and even accepting some LNR/DNR provocations.

Jesus Christ. Ok let me try to explain this like a sixth grader. Maybe you’ll understand that way.

Minks was a very simple peace agreement. Russia negotiated in good faith with Ukraine, Germany, France, and Belarus to stop the civil war going on between Eastern and Western Ukraine.

The agreement said the Ukrainian government would stop shelling eastern Ukraine, and give the Donbass region an autonomous government, similar to Taiwan.

They all signed off on it and Ukraine continued shelling the Donbass and importing weapons from the west. in other words, Ukraine/France/Germany never wanted peace, and simply signed the agreement in order to buy time to build up Ukrainian forces and put more weapons on Russias borders.

Does it make sense now? So no, Minks was not ‘flawed’ from the start. Countries wouldn’t sign a ‘flawed’ agreement. And if no one was interested in making ‘concessions’, why did the countries involved agree to it? Stop making excuses for Ukraine/Germany/France not implementing it. They never intended to. They all signed away on it to dupe Russia.

Had these countries stuck to their word, this invasion likely would not have happened.

And how about we all stop acting like this war started in February. It started years before that. BTW, where is the outrage for our troops invading Syria? We’re currently, illegally occupying a third of Syria, and all I hear is crickets.

I guess when we invade other countries for far worse reasons it’s OK.


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Indus

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Jesus Chris. Ok let me try to explain this like a sixth grader. Maybe you’ll understand that way.

Minks was a very simple peace agreement. Russia negotiated in good faith with Ukraine, Germany, France, and Belarus to stop the civil war going on between Eastern and Western Ukraine.

The agreement said the Ukrainian government would stop shelling eastern Ukraine, and give the Donbass region an autonomous government, similar to Taiwan.

They never did that and continued shelling the Donbass and importing weapons from the west. in other words, Ukraine/France/Germany never wanted peace, and simply signed the agreement in order to buy time to build up Ukrainian forces and put more weapons on Russias borders.

Does it make sense now? As I have said a few times already, this was confirmed by the former president of Ukraine and Angela Merkel.

Had these countries stuck to their word, this invasion likely would not have happened.

How about we all stop acting like this war started in February. It started years before that. BTW, where is the outrage for our troops invading Syria? We’re currently, illegally occupying a third of Syria, and all I hear is crickets.

I guess when we invade other countries for far worse reasons it’s OK.


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Russia negotiated in good faith

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

excuse me guys while I laugh at this fucking idiot!

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha








This fucking retard obviously didn't get a history lesson.. and needs to go back to 5th grade.. never mind 6th grade that he's talking about


 
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rommelrommel

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Jesus Christ. Ok let me try to explain this like a sixth grader. Maybe you’ll understand that way.

Minks was a very simple peace agreement. Russia negotiated in good faith with Ukraine, Germany, France, and Belarus to stop the civil war going on between Eastern and Western Ukraine.

The agreement said the Ukrainian government would stop shelling eastern Ukraine, and give the Donbass region an autonomous government, similar to Taiwan.

Minsk 1 said that BOTH SIDES would cease hostilities. Neither side ceased hostilities. Once of the flaws of Minsk 1 was that it didn't set out control of all contested areas. Russia also failed to withdraw their "little green men." Just as a point of order Minsk offered nothing like Taiwan-esque status. Nor should it have... Taiwan is a de facto independent country that the PRC is determined to retake. Giving the DNR/LNR a similar status would be exactly what you decry, because Ukraine would always be threatening to retake them by force.

They all signed off on it and Ukraine continued shelling the Donbass and importing weapons from the west. in other words, Ukraine/France/Germany never wanted peace, and simply signed the agreement in order to buy time to build up Ukrainian forces and put more weapons on Russias borders.

Any criticism of LNR/DNR/Russia for failing to implement? For continuing combat operations? Any suspicion that they signed to build up their forces? LOL nope, because you're a Russian shill.

Also you're incredibly blind to the politics of such agreements. Countries sign agreements they don't intend to fulfill all the time. Since you're so upset by this, could you give your thoughts on the Budapest Memorandum?

And again, NOTHING IN MINSK PRECLUDED WEAPONS TO UKRAINE. Only a massively disingenuous person would keep bringing this up as some kind of violation.

Does it make sense now? So no, Minks was not ‘flawed’ from the start. Countries wouldn’t sign a ‘flawed’ agreement. And if no one was interested in making ‘concessions’, why did the countries involved agree to it? Stop making excuses for Ukraine/Germany/France not implementing it. They never intended to. They all signed away on it to dupe Russia.

The concessions that needed to be made would have been over the remaining contested territory, not immediately restarting the fighting over minor perceived violations, the removal by Russia of their forces, etc.

And anyways, how is Russia getting duped in this scenario? It's not like they withdrew their soldiers or gave up anything at all.

How does Ukraine not implementing Minsk benefit Ukraine? Your entire theory is that they signed it with no intention of implementing it to somehow gain an advantage. What was it? How would it have worked? If implementing would have given Ukraine an advantage, shouldn't you be happy that they failed to do so?

Had these countries stuck to their word, this invasion likely would not have happened.

Had Russia stuck to its word the invasion certainly wouldn't have happened, because they explicitly promised not to. Hell, they promised to not start a civil war in 2014 and steal Crimea too.

And how about we all stop acting like this war started in February. It started years before that. BTW, where is the outrage for our troops invading Syria? We’re currently, illegally occupying a third of Syria, and all I hear is crickets.

I guess when we invade other countries for far worse reasons it’s OK.


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Could you please point to a single person acting like this war started in February? We're all very aware that Russia invaded and stole Crimea in 2014 along with instigating and supplying a civil war with men and weapons in LNR/DNR.

If you'd like to start a thread about Syria please feel free. I think you'll find most people aren't big supporters of that either. Unless this is just whataboutism, then continue to do nothing else.
 

IronWing

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Jesus Christ. Ok let me try to explain this like a sixth grader. Maybe you’ll understand that way.

Minks was a very simple peace agreement. Russia negotiated in good faith with Ukraine, Germany, France, and Belarus to stop the civil war going on between Eastern and Western Ukraine.

The agreement said the Ukrainian government would stop shelling eastern Ukraine, and give the Donbass region an autonomous government, similar to Taiwan.

They all signed off on it and Ukraine continued shelling the Donbass and importing weapons from the west. in other words, Ukraine/France/Germany never wanted peace, and simply signed the agreement in order to buy time to build up Ukrainian forces and put more weapons on Russias borders.

Does it make sense now? So no, Minks was not ‘flawed’ from the start. Countries wouldn’t sign a ‘flawed’ agreement. And if no one was interested in making ‘concessions’, why did the countries involved agree to it? Stop making excuses for Ukraine/Germany/France not implementing it. They never intended to. They all signed away on it to dupe Russia.

Had these countries stuck to their word, this invasion likely would not have happened.

And how about we all stop acting like this war started in February. It started years before that. BTW, where is the outrage for our troops invading Syria? We’re currently, illegally occupying a third of Syria, and all I hear is crickets.

I guess when we invade other countries for far worse reasons it’s OK.


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You’re still having trouble with english pronouns. “We” is a first person plural used to refer to a group that includes yourself. As you are a Chinese propagandist, your use of “we” is incorrect with respect to western or US actions.
 

kage69

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"Minks was a very simple peace agreement. Russia negotiated in good faith"

Ahahaha, the hits just keep comin.

This guy's dedication to bullshit and embarrassing himself is truly a thing to behold, but at least he's good for a laugh.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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"Minks was a very simple peace agreement. Russia negotiated in good faith"

Ahahaha, the hits just keep comin.

This guy's dedication to bullshit and embarrassing himself is truly a thing to behold, but at least he's good for a laugh.


For me it's been interesting to read and to read into these foreign agent's discourse as a matter of how the propaganda entities of our enemies and potentially our own intel agencies attempt to sway the opinions and more significantly, the emotions of the people they're targeting. A sort of real time look into the mechanics of the art.
 
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NTMBK

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Fuck me, I've been gone from this thread for a month or two, and people are STILL arguing with Young Grasshopper? Don't feed the troll/astroturfer.

(I've still been following the war, just on a forum thread on a different forum. Only got one tab permanently open on my phone instead of two now.)

Fuck Putin, send more weapons to Ukraine. I hope the AFU can break the land bridge to Crimea soon.
 

RnR_au

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Jesus Christ. Ok let me try to explain this like a sixth grader. Maybe you’ll understand that way.

Minks was a very simple peace agreement.
Jesus Christ. Ok let me try to explain this like a sixth grader. Maybe you’ll understand that way....

Minsk was not a peace agreement. It was an agreement to stop hostilities. No borders was recognised. It was an agreement similar to the Korean Armistice Agreement just with no DMZ.
 

Jaskalas

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Jesus Christ. Ok let me try to explain this like a sixth grader. Maybe you’ll understand that way....

Vlad the Butcher, and his lackeys, will not be satisfied until Ukrainians cease to exist.
Their arguing is merely a propaganda effort, a means to assist their Genocidal conquest.

Meanwhile, least we provided the Ukrainians this much.
Also, there is hope of increased production from Europe.

Massive 14 count HIMARS Volley in Defense of Bakhmut

The Czech Republic announced the start of large-scale production of weapons for Ukraine
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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Vlad the Butcher, and his lackeys, will not be satisfied until Ukrainians cease to exist.
Their arguing is merely a propaganda effort, a means to assist their Genocidal conquest.

Meanwhile, least we provided the Ukrainians this much.
Also, there is hope of increased production from Europe.

Massive 14 count HIMARS Volley in Defense of Bakhmut

The Czech Republic announced the start of large-scale production of weapons for Ukraine


It may be the orks that were getting blown up but I did feel a tiny tinge of sorrow for a nanosecond while pondering over all of the awesome explosive nastiness landing in their laps.
 

Perknose

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Vlad the Butcher, and his lackeys, will not be satisfied until Ukrainians cease to exist.
Their arguing is merely a propaganda effort, a means to assist their Genocidal conquest.

Meanwhile, least we provided the Ukrainians this much.
Also, there is hope of increased production from Europe.

Massive 14 count HIMARS Volley in Defense of Bakhmut

The Czech Republic announced the start of large-scale production of weapons for Ukraine
From your Reddit link:
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Beautiful. The website is from the Czechs. Shows the ammo and reconditioned T-72's they're sending to UK.
Any country that once made an air-cooled, rear-engined V-8 is alright with me.

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K1052

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They have stockpiles leftover from the Soviet Union. Though the munition used in the video looks too precise and I see too few submunitions to be Uragan or Smerch.

Cluster Munition Ban Policy | Reports | Monitor (the-monitor.org)

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I suspect they’ve largely expended their stocks for the Uragan and Smerch. Hence requests the Ukrainian government is making for tube and rocket launched (specifically M26s) cluster munitions to the US and other countries.
 

JEDI

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How Russia so badly mismanaged its invasion:

It was a cascade of failures, and at the top is Putin’s own misguidedness, his own isolation and his own conviction that he knew what was best. The Russian military was unprepared all the way down to a tactical level, like using Soviet-era maps. :eek:
Like using their cellphones to call home, which gave away their positions and allowed them to be ambushed or attacked.
There wasn’t enough food to feed the soldiers. :eek:
We got hold of actual copies of some of the invasion plans that some of the Russian military units had, which showed them expecting to race toward Kyiv within hours of invading. Russian military leaders didn’t think they’d need any reinforcements.​
I talked to many people who knew Putin personally, and they told me that the decision to go to war was based on his gut feeling.
Putin didn’t seem to think he needed advice on the wisdom of this invasion.
Putin was convinced that he knew best, that he understood Ukraine and its place in history as well as his own.​

This is still mind boggling:
Not enough food to feed the soldiers

How can you START a war without this basic necessity?!
 
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