Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Indus

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Last time I checked, Russia only invaded Ukraine AFTER the west interfered with Ukraine's elections(2014) and AFTER Ukraine did not implent the Minks accords they agreed to(2015), not BEFORE. Not to mention, NATO's continued expansion eastward.

Might want to get your timelines correct.

Good try though.

Aren't you're showing us who you really are komrade grasshopper?

 

Indus

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At some point someone is going to have to sail a Navy in and end the blockade to end the famine.



Interesting thing is India is first up to starve. India moved quick to support Russia in this, and India is getting that cheap blood oil from Russia. Blood oil does not feed anyone though. Not feeling like we should put our people in harms way for India just yet.

The famine will not stop at India though, and eventually someone is going to have to do something.


Leeea India is not going to starve.. they have the most or 2nd most arable land in the world.


As long as their water canals are working and filled with water, they'll be fine.

In fact they export so much wheat and rice and other grain so they're not at risk!
 
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Leeea

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Leeea India is not going to starve.. they have the most or 2nd most arable land in the world.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/arable-land-by-country

As long as their water canals are working and filled with water, they'll be fine.

In fact they export so much wheat and rice and other grain so they're not at risk!

Grasshopper is cherry picking a 7 month old post from prior to the Turkey / Ukraine grain deal.

Russia folded and intervention is no longer required. Although I still view it as desirable.




As for India, 2/3rds of its cultivated land are dependent on rainfall. Back in May India prohibited wheat exports. India's domestic wheat prices have climbed 33% this year on expectation of shortages, although nobody will know until March what the harvest will look like for sure.

I would argue India is still up in the air. Yes, in the past India has exported food, but the exports are now all prohibited. India's child wasting prevalence was at 19.3% in 2021 prior to food shortages. India's moderate to severe food insecurity was at 40.6% in 2021. There is no fat in India's system.

Another disturbing indicator is unemployment in India's rural areas as agricultural jobs dry up. Haryana state in India has 70% of its employment coming from agriculture, and was experiencing a 30.6% rate of unemployment as of 2022-08-14.


The situation in India is both unreported and very much in the air. The vicious swing between drought and flood has not been good for the agricultural prospects this year. Unseasonable good weather could turn things around however.

But with food prices 33% higher then normal, odds are the suffering has already begun.


 
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you2

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NATO/Ukraine never intended any kind of peace agreement, and continued shelling the Donbass for 8 more years. The whole agreement was to stop the shelling. It was just a stalling tactic to get more arms/training into Ukraine to one day fight Russia. This was confirmed by the former president of Ukraine, and now Angela Merkel.

Last time I checked war is the opposite of peace.

A better question would be have you read it? Sounds like you need to skim thru the basics.
NATO was not a party to the agreement why do you keep spreading bullshit - oh yea because you are bullshit.
 

Indus

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I don't know, but I have my doubts whether that's genuine.

Russians are morbid. But I wouldn't call that desperate.

Until they're forced to give up their nukes and accept a token defense force.. they'll always be dangerous. So gotta keep tightening the noose!
 
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Even with American protection and safety guarantees that takes balls. Russians still want this guy and his family dead, Zelenskyys will be needing protection for the rest of their lives.

Russians might suck at modern battlefield tactics and combined arms, but they're still plenty skilled at bombings and assassinations.

I hope he receives a hero's welcome, very much looking forward to him getting the recognition and respect despots like Putin crave. Twist that knife Z! Bonus points: make a crack about Putin shitting himself.
 
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Even with American protection and safety guarantees that takes balls. Russians still want this guy and his family dead, they'll be needing protection for the rest of their lives.

They might suck at modern battlefield tactics and combined arms, but they're still plenty skilled at bombings and assassinations.

I hope he receives a hero's welcome, very much looking forward to him getting the recognition and respect despots like Putin crave. Twist the knife Z!
I agree that he will need protection for the rest of his life but I would be very surprised if Russia tried to assassinate him in the US capital.

First, I’m not really sure killing him would do much at this point. If you kill him the first night he’s the not very popular president who died. Today he would be a martyr.

Second, that sort of brazen attack on our soil would likely damage the right wing effort to reduce aid to Ukraine.

Doesn’t seem like a good idea overall.
 
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I agree that he will need protection for the rest of his life but I would be very surprised if Russia tried to assassinate him in the US capital.

First, I’m not really sure killing him would do much at this point. If you kill him the first night he’s the not very popular president who died. Today he would be a martyr.

Second, that sort of brazen attack on our soil would likely damage the right wing effort to reduce aid to Ukraine.

Doesn’t seem like a good idea overall.


It's the distance between our respective borders I would be worried about, not so much within the US.

Z has cost them dearly, humiliated them while doing so. I think you might be underestimating the Russian penchant for spite. Assassinating our ambassador to Pakistan as a Fuck You for being driven from Afghanistan didn't net them any gains either, but they did it. He's the head of a government and culture they want to stamp out, it would be considered a victory for the hard right of Russia. 12 attempts so far according to the Ukrainians. Kremlin has a price on Klitschko's head too supposedly, or did.
 
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Young Grasshopper

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well see there is your problem, you suck at "checking".
like your point doesn't even actually make sense, the west meddled in Ukraine , so now the people who know Russia best fight tooth and nail because why ?


Because the intent was to get NATO to use Ukrainian troops to fight Russia. Why do you think they ignored the Minks accords and kept pumping Ukraine with weapons for 8 straight years? That's why this whole notion of Ukraine joining NATO is laughable.

Why exactly would NATO accept Ukraine into NATO when NATO can just use Ukrainian troops to fight it's biggest adversary?

Keep that NATO dream alive though.
 

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Russia both a shit country:
... and a country incapable of dealing with shit properly.

Still better than India, where homes with cell phones outnumber homes with indoor toilets. (~47% of Indian homes have indoor toilets and ~64% have cell phones.) That's really crappy.

 
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Young Grasshopper

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The bullshit levels here are over 9000.



That’s a completely wilful misrepresentation of what Merkel said. She never said Ukraine had no intention of implementing it, she said the agreement was to buy time for Ukraine to get stronger. Implementing it would have benefited Ukraine in that regard. Poroshenko said nothing different. Only dimwits like you think… wait, you’re not thinking but just regurgitating Russian state media… regurgitate this nonsense even when it makes no internal sense at all.



So was the agreement to bring peace to eastern Ukraine(which is what the agreement was), or was it to buy time for Ukraine to get stronger? BTW why would Ukraine need to get 'stronger' militarily if it was a peace agreement? All I heard it was just a ruse to buy time. Might want to get your logic and facts straight.



Russia also clearly had no intention of implementing it. You want us to believe that we can’t come to that conclusion unless the ex-KGB dictator admits it publicly. That’s moronic.



So tell me genius, if Russia had no intention of implementing it, why did they sign it? Was it to get 'ready' for war like Ukraine? Why would a country with the 3rd largest military in the world need to 'buy' time against a country like Ukraine at the time all didn't have all the weapons NATO has pumped in the past 8 years?





If you want to argue that Budapest was violated by your imaginary nonsense Putin should have repudiated it. But hey, you still probably accept his nonsense assertion of this being a “special military operation.”



You offer nothing but bullshit assertions about this supposed coup nearly a decade ago, turns out there’s been another election and Ukrainians seem pretty happy with their government.



Supposed coup? Do I need to post the leaked phone call again where a US diplomat is picking who the next Ukrainian president? You do know we have a history of trying to overthrow presidents right? Ghaddafi/Saddam Hussein/Yanukovich/Castro/Chavez/Maduro/etc...Do I need to go on?



As for your NATO doing everything they can to war with Russia, give me a break. NATO has had reasonable pretexts and better opportunities to go to war with Russia in the past and they never have. They don’t want to, and even if they did nuclear deterrence works. If the real goal was a NATO/Russia war the best thing Putin could do is keep his military inside his own borders because he’s squandered an awful lot of it on accomplishing very little in Ukraine. Could you imagine how badly Russia would get stomped in a conventional war? You’d be crying for weeks. Ukraine being in NATO, friendly to NATO, friendly to Russia, it doesn’t change the math in a NATO/Russia conflict.



Sorry, but overthrowing/assassinating/launching coup attempts isn't reasonable. Pumping weapons into a country that borders Russia for 8 straight years isn't reasonable. Promising not to expand NATO eastward then doing it 17 times isn't reasonable. Signing peace deals that you have no intent on keeping isn't reasonable.



Would you consider it reasonable if Russia/China did these things to us? I highly doubt it.



Stop getting your news from CNN. It's frying your brain.
 

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Because the intent was to get NATO to use Ukrainian troops to fight Russia. Why do you think they ignored the Minks accords and kept pumping Ukraine with weapons for 8 straight years? That's why this whole notion of Ukraine joining NATO is laughable.

Why exactly would NATO accept Ukraine into NATO when NATO can just use Ukrainian troops to fight it's biggest adversary?

Keep that NATO dream alive though.

These are minks:

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This is Minsk:

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I know your theme seems to be "thoroughly wrong about everything" but even your average Russian troll can get this one right.
 

Young Grasshopper

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Even with American protection and safety guarantees that takes balls.

I know right? He is much safer in Kiev where cruise missile and drone strikes are raining down daily. Probably not a good idea to bring him to arguably the most protected city in the world.

#logic
 

Braznor

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Still better than India, where homes with cell phones outnumber homes with indoor toilets. (~47% of Indian homes have indoor toilets and ~64% have cell phones.) That's really crappy.



Hey moron, thanks for posting a link all the way back from 2012. Way to keep updated on current events. Ha ha ha
 
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Muse

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Not sure this is a good move on his part. If he come across as ungrateful or demanding he's going to lose support. I imagine his speech writer is working double time.
He's a few cuts above your imagined politician. He has talent and imagination. I can't imagine he leans on speech writers. He'll be fine. He's addressed joint session of congress before... virtually, and effectively. This time in person, so much the better. And it probably will be better. First time out of Ukraine since the beginning of the war. This will be historic. This will be in the history books.
 

Muse

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Keep that NATO dream alive though.
Probably the only good thing you said in that post, I won't dignify you by reading the rest. NATO is one of the greatest dreams ever, the alliance of alliances and it's worked for decades to keep Russia in check (the modern day holdover of shameless imperialism inherited from the previous millennium), which is exactly its intention. I hope for the day that Ukraine will join NATO, EU too!
 
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