zinfamous
No Lifer
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Jaskalas
Lifer
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If the Russian homeland does not burn for this war, it will just encourage more war. It will not end until Russia feels enough pain. We must either make it painful through direct action ourselves, or arm Ukraine to the point that it can return fire. Enough arms that it can stand toe to toe with Russia. Anything less encourages Russia to double down and keep throwing men at the problem until they win through attrition. Every day this goes on, with one arm tired behind Ukraine's back, the more damage Ukraine suffers without an equitable response to harm the Russian side.
We are sending a message that we will not prevent them from massacring people. Due to this message, they are counting on our meek or non response. Russia continues to double down for more.
And that prolonging of Russia's campaign for ethnic cleansing is unconscionable.
We must do better. We must give whatever it takes to go all out. We must harm Russia's thirst for this war.
Equity for Ukraine. Excessive Western caution in the supply of weapons to Ukraine is costing Ukrainian lives and fueling Russian impunity while preventing meaningful progress toward peace.
We are sending a message that we will not prevent them from massacring people. Due to this message, they are counting on our meek or non response. Russia continues to double down for more.
And that prolonging of Russia's campaign for ethnic cleansing is unconscionable.
We must do better. We must give whatever it takes to go all out. We must harm Russia's thirst for this war.
Equity for Ukraine. Excessive Western caution in the supply of weapons to Ukraine is costing Ukrainian lives and fueling Russian impunity while preventing meaningful progress toward peace.
Equity is a part of the laws of war. All countries have the right to proportionate retaliation. Without this right, international law would be powerless. It is time to stop obstructing Ukraine from applying this law.
Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022, the West has provided Ukraine with critical support. However, Western leaders have also limited the scope of the military aid they are prepared to provide. As a consequence, Russia been able to attack inside Ukraine with impunity while Ukraine has been severely restricted in its ability to engage in anything remotely resembling proportionate retaliation on Russian soil.
This has led to a surreal kind of war. The aggressor gets to punish the victim and wreak havoc on the victim’s terrain. The damage is limited to Ukrainian soil, while the aggressor’s own country remains virtually untouched. The current approach encourages international aggression and war crimes. It sets a dangerous precedent and needs to be reversed.
cytg111
Lifer
- Mar 17, 2008
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Russia is not a peaceful nation. Happy now? I don’t support any invasions.
The proof that they didn’t abide by it is because you say they didn’t. Great argument there. I’ll take Merkel’s direct words as evident thank you.
But let me guess, you somehow think the US is the symbol of peace? The US is currently occupying a third of Syria, illegally. Are you going to call for US troops to pull out of Syria? Probably not, because it’s OK when the US commits genocide in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and countless other countries. I can assure you over the last 20 years the US has killed far far more troops/innocent civilians than Russia has.
So are you going to start calling for the withdrawal of Syria and Somalia? If you do then we’re on the same page.
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lol, you are really calling out the wrong poster on that topic. Although I think he’s addressed it roughly a billion times and you just choose to ignore his answers and proceed with your broken record of whataboutism.
So is Zelensky going to resign because he falsely claimed Russia struck Poland when in reality it was a Ukrainian anti aircraft missile that went astray? Don't you want a serious claim like this to hold up under scrutiny? Didn’t think so.
Is Von Der Leyen going to resign for stating 100000 Ukrainian troops have died so far then walking it back later? Didn’t think so.
When this guy ends up giving his exit interview to the press and states what he said was accurate and was pressured to resign, I expect an apology.
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Brovane
Diamond Member
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Arestovych government position in the Ukrainian government is basically the same as a Cabinet position in the US, appointed. Zelensky and Von Der Leyen serve in elected positions not appointed positions. Do you understand the difference?
Great work by the Bulgarian PM for manoeuvring around the Russian puppets in the government to provide crucial help for Ukraine.
www.politico.eu
Bulgaria to the rescue: How the EU’s poorest country secretly saved Ukraine
Sofia provided fuel and vital Soviet specification arms to Kyiv, but had to keep supplies secret because of pro-Moscow politicians in government.
cytg111
Lifer
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Great work by the Bulgarian PM for manoeuvring around the Russian puppets in the government to provide crucial help for Ukraine.
Bulgaria to the rescue: How the EU’s poorest country secretly saved Ukraine
Sofia provided fuel and vital Soviet specification arms to Kyiv, but had to keep supplies secret because of pro-Moscow politicians in government.
There needs to be a purge. And by purge I mean large "bonfires" in every European Capitol where we cleanse ourselves of these traitors.
At the very least round these bitches up and exile them. The lot of them.
NTMBK
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Great work by the Bulgarian PM for manoeuvring around the Russian puppets in the government to provide crucial help for Ukraine.
Bulgaria to the rescue: How the EU’s poorest country secretly saved Ukraine
Sofia provided fuel and vital Soviet specification arms to Kyiv, but had to keep supplies secret because of pro-Moscow politicians in government.
I wonder if Bulgaria might be a source for some of the tank parts that the UK are providing? They are apparently buying some on the open market, and Bulgaria selling off some of their T72 spares out of storage would fit.
You may not support them but you basically expect the country being raped to submit to the rapist in the name of “peace”. That’s pretty gross.
Commodus
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- Oct 9, 2004
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I do want accountability. But I also realize it's not as simple as quitting your job the moment you get a key claim wrong. Especially for people like Zelenskyy, who otherwise has a pretty solid track record and is as much a morale booster for his country as he is a politician.
I'm amused that you've gone from asking questions about the real motivations to resign to assuming he was forced out for telling the truth, all the while offering zero evidence. Moreover, you act as if you're a uniquely enlightened being educating us rubes on how NATO is supposedly all-evil while poor, innocent Russia just wants to protect itself by invading its neighbor and erasing all local culture and political dissent.
Ajay
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- Jan 8, 2001
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cytg111
Lifer
- Mar 17, 2008
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He is technically not wrong. Him playing off as the victim here is comedy gold and as if there wasnt a giant stop button that Russia can push at ANY GIVEN TIME... Comedy.
K1052
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K1052
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evident
Lifer
- Apr 5, 2005
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kissinger should die already. His vietnam policy and pretty much every other policy he had was horrible.
Ajay
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K1052
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It's possible they are new production as well. Companies in Poland and the Czech Republic have considerable experience producing new soviet pattern spares/upgrade packages.
Agreed. Although I'm thinking at his advanced age, maybe, just maybe, he's reflected on all of the misdeeds, failed plots and transgressions of his past and is now attempting to redeem himself in the eyes of history.
Nahhhhhh, just who the hell am I kidding. The guy's ego is probably as legendary and flatulent as Trump's.
K1052
Lifer
- Aug 21, 2003
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These aren’t really APC’s. They’re closer to an up armoured hummer than a BMP. Still a good contribution.
Amused
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- Apr 14, 2001
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Russia. Invaded. A. Sovereign. Nation.
Fucking period.
The only pro-war people here are the Russians and you.
Peace is easy; Russia leaves Ukraine to the agreed upon borders of the original treaty.
Full fucking stop.
It really is that simple.
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