Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[fskimospy]

So we'll just ignore Russia's 2015 invasion of eastern Ukraine. LOL

Also it’s pretty funny that his reasoning was ‘well if you don’t count the first invasion…’

I don’t know, he writes like someone originally fluent in English so if he’s not he at least was trained well. I think the more likely response is he’s some idiot tankie whose habits of hating the west are so ingrained he can’t admit that Russia turned out to be exactly what people warned about.

 

[Drach]

NATO has been pumping weapons onto Russia's borders for 8 years now and you don't expect its neighbors to react? Let's see how you would react if Russia was pumping weapons onto the US/Mexico border.

I would have zero issues with Mexico having any Russian weapons. The 2 countries are mutually beneficial.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

We're not talking about 60 years ago. We're talking about current events. If you can't keep up, maybe you should find a better use of your time.

The point still stands. It's an illogical argument based all current factors. There's nothing that refutes that.

Fine. 2003 invasion of Iraq. And we weren’t worried about weapons on our borders, but in a country thousands of miles away. You do realize countries invade other countries due to potential hostile threats right? We’re experts at it lol.


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[Young Grasshopper]

I would have zero issues with Mexico having any Russian weapons. The 2 countries are mutually beneficial.

You may not but our government most certainly would and have acted on it.


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[Pens1566]

Fine. 2003 invasion of Iraq. And we weren’t worried about weapons on our borders, but in a country thousands of miles away. You do realize countries invade other countries due to potential hostile threats right? We’re experts at it lol.


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Immaterial. What does that have to do with Russia invading Ukraine twice? You've already lost the "but but NATO border" excuse.

 

[Brovane]

It is threatening Russia when it's main adversary(NATO) puts weapons on it's borders for 8 straight years. You know, kind of like how we invaded Iraq over the 'threat' of nuclear weapons. The difference is Iraq has zero nukes, and NATO weapons pumping is a real thing.

Is their a technical definition of NATO weapons pumping? What is that exactly?

 

[Commodus]

It is threatening Russia when it's main adversary(NATO) puts weapons on it's borders for 8 straight years. You know, kind of like how we invaded Iraq over the 'threat' of nuclear weapons. The difference is Iraq has zero nukes, and NATO weapons pumping is a real thing.

Er... no. NATO countries have a basic right to border defense, and have not conducted any buildups or political rhetoric to suggest they would invade Russia. Like Pens said, NATO has had troops on the borders since the Cold War began; Putin is complaining about something that hasn't really changed and doesn't pose a threat. This wasn't Putin's attempt to bring peace; it was an attempt to weaken defenses so that he could act unilaterally with a slower response from NATO members.

Russia, meanwhile, did little to hide that it was amassing troops at Ukraine's border for the sake of invasion. Putin just lied about why he 'needed' to invade the country.

I know the Iraq War was based on false pretenses. Bush Jr.'s administration wasn't at all subtle about that. But there's a certain irony to using that as your example while effectively supporting Russia, which... invaded on clearly false pretenses. Do you really think Russia needed to "de-Nazify" Ukraine?

 

[dainthomas]

It is threatening Russia when it's main adversary(NATO) puts weapons on it's borders for 8 straight years. You know, kind of like how we invaded Iraq over the 'threat' of nuclear weapons. The difference is Iraq has zero nukes, and NATO weapons pumping is a real thing.

If he has a problem with NATO he should invade NATO. Oh wait, their fourth-rate army of untrained conscripts and prisoners would get demolished. Then he'd have to either nuke the world or accept whatever conditions NATO imposes.

 

[Pens1566]

Er... no. NATO countries have a basic right to border defense, and have not conducted any buildups or political rhetoric to suggest they would invade Russia. Like Pens said, NATO has had troops on the borders since the Cold War began; Putin is complaining about something that hasn't really changed and doesn't pose a threat. This wasn't Putin's attempt to bring peace; it was an attempt to weaken defenses so that he could act unilaterally with a slower response from NATO members.

Russia, meanwhile, did little to hide that it was amassing troops at Ukraine's border for the sake of invasion. Putin just lied about why he 'needed' to invade the country.

I know the Iraq War was based on false pretenses. Bush Jr.'s administration wasn't at all subtle about that. But there's a certain irony to using that as your example while effectively supporting Russia, which... invaded on clearly false pretenses. Do you really think Russia needed to "de-Nazify" Ukraine?

Damn you ...

 

[NTMBK]

Why are you all feeding the troll?

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Great, so you agree at the time of signing Russia had already invaded Ukraine.

Invading your neighbors is not the mark of a peaceful country, agree?


Nothing in that article says Russia intended to follow the Minsk Accords and regardless the proof is in the pudding - they never did.

1-Sure invading a country is not the mark of peace, which is why a PEACE agreement was signed afterwards. You know, kind of like how most wars end? The agreement was signed to bring peace.

2-Again, where is your evidence that Russia did not tend to abide by the peace agreement? I have yet to hear Poroshenko, Merkel or Putin say Russia had no intention of abiding by it. All I hear is Putin complaining Ukraine is not holding up their end of the bargain, and Merkel and Poroshenko stating they had no intention. What conclusion is one supposed to draw from that?

Let me explain this in simpler terms. Say your a mediator trying to solve a dispute between 2 people:

Person A: Person B isn’t holding up their end of the bargain.

Person B: Your right we’re not.

?

I rest my case your honor.


I think all of the pro war propaganda you guys have been fed the past year and how it is all going will soon unravel. Can’t ignore reality forever. Also the fact that Ukraine is now asking for more tank and artillery then the entire German army has, tell us this war of attrition is not going well.


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[fskimospy]

1-Sure invading a country is not the mark of peace, which is why a PEACE agreement was signed afterwards. You know, kind of like how most wars end? The agreement was signed to bring peace.

2-Again, where is your evidence that Russia did not tend to abide by the peace agreement? I have yet to hear Poroshenko, Merkel or Putin say Russia had no intention of abiding by it. All I hear is Putin complaining Ukraine is not holding up their end of the bargain, and Merkel and Poroshenko stating they had no intention. What conclusion is one supposed to draw from that?

Let me explain this in simpler terms. Say your a mediator trying to solve a dispute between 2 people:

Person A: Person B isn’t holding up their end of the bargain.

Person B: Your right we’re not.

?

I rest my case your honor.


I think all of the pro war propaganda you guys have been fed the past year and how it is all going will soon unravel. Can’t ignore reality forever. Also the fact that Ukraine is now asking for more tank and artillery then the entire German army has, tell us this war of attrition is not going well.


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The proof that Russia didn’t intend to abide by it is that they didn’t abide by it.

Regardless, they invaded their neighbor! That’s not peaceful.

Can you make the simple statement that Russia is not a peaceful nation as shown by the invasion of their neighbors? That should be easy for you.

 

[IronWing]

Why are you all feeding the troll?

He's not a troll; he's a paid Chinese propagandist. It's kind of interesting watching how he works, sad really, how a once mighty propaganda machine has rusted away.

 

[Drach]

You may not but our government most certainly would and have acted on it.


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Our? Highly doubtful that the US government would invade and kill 10's of thousands of Mexicans . We may have our quarrels but mostly we are very friendly. I love going to Mexico every year for vacation .

 

[rommelrommel]

Is their a technical definition of NATO weapons pumping? What is that exactly?

Apparently it’s a relative handful of light man portable weapons.

 

[Dave_5k]

Hats off to the Dutch! Didn't expect that. Didn't expect that they had Patriot batteries. Haven't found out how many they have (my google fu sucks).

Latest I could find, the Dutch had 4 batteries.

Dutch Patriot missiles, UK C-17 support cleared by US State Department

The two deals are potentially worth over $600 million for U.S. contractors.

www.defensenews.com

I do wonder how many missiles (presumably PAC-3?) we're sending with the batteries -- patriot missiles are like $4 million a pop, and Lockheed only has been making like 300 per year (although they did just open up another factory, so maybe up to 500/yr now)

 

[fskimospy]

Immaterial. What does that have to do with Russia invading Ukraine twice? You've already lost the "but but NATO border" excuse.

What I’m excited for is an intellectually consistent framework where invading Iraq was bad (it was!) but invading Ukraine is not bad (it is bad!).

 

[Brovane]

Apparently it’s a relative handful of light man portable weapons.

Yeah as if the Baltic states have zero reason to be concerned about a Russian invasion.

 

[rommelrommel]

What I’m excited for is an intellectually consistent framework where invading Iraq was bad (it was!) but invading Ukraine is not bad (it is bad!).

If you’ve ever done something bad everything else you ever do is bad seems to be the argument.

 

[zinfamous]

Why is he resigning then if it was a simple 'mistake'? Maybe he was asked to lie about it instead and he refused?

Do your research on NATO policy before you call it 'unprovoked'. The same NATO that launched nearly 10,000 raids on Libya and turned it from the most prosperous nation in Africa to an actual slave state.

Libya Remains a Failed State 11 Years After NATO Intervention

The Western-backed overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi ushered in a period of political instability and violence that continues to this day.

www.telesurenglish.net

NATO has been pumping weapons onto Russia's borders for 8 years now and you don't expect its neighbors to react? Let's see how you would react if Russia was pumping weapons onto the US/Mexico border.

The last time this happened to us, this is how we reacted:

Cuban Missile Crisis | JFK Library

In October 1962, an American U2 spy plane secretly photographed nuclear missile sites being built by the Soviet Union on the island of Cuba. Because he did not want Cuba and the Soviet Union to know that he had discovered the missiles, Kennedy met in secret with his advisors for several days to...

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fuck you're an imbecile.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm rooting for peace, not continued armchair warmongering.

you're rooting for genocide, you fucking Quisling bitch.

 

[brycejones]

You may not but our government most certainly would and have acted on it.


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Man do I have news for you.

Mexico already has purchased Russian arms. I must have missed our invasion in retaliation.

 

[RnR_au]

Why are you all feeding the troll?

Slow news day...

 

[K1052]

I guess Israel decided that they could not deny the transfer of US owned stockpiles. Which was probably a smart call.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615502247160422404

 

[Jaskalas]

He's not a troll; he's a paid Chinese propagandist. It's kind of interesting watching how he works, sad really, how a once mighty propaganda machine has rusted away.

Like saying a man with a busted shovel is not very effective at removing snow.
Meanwhile, an entire snow plow is clearing the street.

The propaganda is winning if you take into account what the United States Congress intends to do for Russia.