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UberNeuman

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No question. Alien Resurrection. It wasn't good, but it was far, FAR better than Alien3.


Oh, no.... not at all.... Even with the problems of the Alien 3 storyline, at least it attempted to keep in line with the atmosphere of Alien and Aliens - A:R was simply goofy all around.....

\I use the A:R blu-ray disc as a drink coaster...
 
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Ichinisan

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Oh, no.... not at all.... Even with the problems of the Alien 3 storyline, at least it attempted to keep in line with the atmosphere of Alien and Aliens - A:R was simply goofy all around.....

\I use the A:R blu-ray disc as a drink coaster...

Bullshit. In Alien3, the alien simply eats people. There's no explanation for an egg in the escape pod with Ripley and Newt.

The movie kills Newt (the emotional replacement for Ripley's dead daughter) and also kills Ripley's love interest from the second movie. Why? To make her efforts in that movie completely pointless?

The charcters and their decisions don't even make sense. One example: Everyone thinks some guy is crazy because he saw the alien ("dragon") and was terrified. They think he killed someone and tried to blame it on "the dragon." Later on, they find out that he wasn't hallucinating or lying. They capture the alien. Inexplicably, they're still holding the guy captive. Then they express worry that he'll free the alien. WHAT?! Where did that idea come from? Then some guy lets him out...and he frees the alien! *head-explode

FUCK. THAT. SO-CALLED. "MOVIE."
 

UberNeuman

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Bullshit. In Alien3, the alien simply eats people. There's no explanation for an egg in the escape pod with Ripley and Newt.

The movie kills Newt (the emotional replacement for Ripley's dead daughter) and also kills Ripley's love interest from the second movie. Why? To make her efforts in that movie completely pointless?

The charcters and their decisions don't even make sense. One example: Everyone thinks some guy is crazy because he saw the alien ("dragon") and was terrified. They think he killed someone and tried to blame it on "the dragon." Later on, they find out that he wasn't hallucinating or lying. They capture the alien. Inexplicably, they're still holding the guy captive. Then they express worry that he'll free the alien. WHAT?! Where did that idea come from? Then some guy lets him out...and he frees the alien! *head-explode

FUCK. THAT. SO-CALLED. "MOVIE."

As I've said, the story has its problems - however it is in tone with the universe following Alien and Aliens.... A:R, however is pretty much: "what if Jerry Lewis directed an Alien film..."
 

Ichinisan

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As I've said, the story has its problems - however it is in tone with the universe following Alien and Aliens.... A:R, however is pretty much: "what if Jerry Lewis directed an Alien film..."

It's not just the story, it's also the "tone." This is on a planet full of prisoners? Monks? Men with a specific genetic mutation? All of the above? "A WOMAN! WE CAN'T HAVE A WOMAN HERE!"

There's simply no question that, between A3 and A:R, the "tone" of A3 is far more removed from the first two movies.

At least A:R was in space. At least it had aliens learning and demonstrating intelligence. At least the aliens revealed ever-changing traits and skills, just like the first Alien movie kept viewers frightened from scene to scene by barely showing the creature, and changing the appearance drastically each time (egg > face-hugger > chest-burster > adult). Like the crew of the Nostromo, the viewer never knows what to expect.

Hmm, A:R had a lot more going for it compared to A3.
 
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UberNeuman

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It's not just the story, it's also the "tone." This is on a planet full of prisoners? Monks? Men with a specific genetic mutation? All of the above? "A WOMAN! WE CAN'T HAVE A WOMAN HERE!"

I'm sorry - what mutation means you?
 

UberNeuman

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Better yet - Weyland-Yutani had to know there was a massive likelihood of alien life on LV-426 - but did nothing more to seek it out until Ripley reappears....

Oh, wait they did - they put a colony of people there for some reason... instead of containing the planet for their research...


\it's all about story contrivances - some work better than not....
 
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zerocool84

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The previews for Prometheus don't look good at all so I guess I'm missing something. Sure it's Ridley Scott but the previews make it look like a generic sci-fi thriller.
 

CZroe

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I don't remember annoying Saturday morning cartoon caricatures of British accents in Alien and Aliens. Alien3 was garbage and I cringed watching it. The Assembly Cut made some parts WORSE, like the scenes added where they discuss the captured alien and then set it free even though their plan just prior failed WITHOUT EVER HAVING CAPTURED IT!

The wooden satellite populated by monks idea would have been much better, but even David Fincher's vision without studio pressure/interference still included the stupid all-men prison planet with religious overtones crap that everyone seems to think is so "deep" and "layered" just because it draws the same tired parallels to religion today as every other "deep" movie. :rolleyes:
 

CZroe

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Better yet - Weyland-Yutani had to know there was a massive likelihood of alien life on LV-426 - but did nothing more to seek it out until Ripley reappears....

Oh, wait they did - they put a colony of people there for some reason... instead of containing the planet for their research...


\it's all about story contrivances - some work better than not....

The ship crashed on LV-426 but I'm pretty sure it came from someplace else... the place Prometheus first encountered it. That's why it's a dead planet otherwise.
 

Ichinisan

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Better yet - Weyland-Yutani had to know there was a massive likelihood of alien life on LV-426 - but did nothing more to seek it out until Ripley reappears....

Oh, wait they did - they put a colony of people there for some reason... instead of containing the planet for their research...


\it's all about story contrivances - some work better than not....

What? The aliens and the derelict spacecraft were not indigenous. The second movie makes this very clear and Ripley even angrily repeats this point when one of the W-Y folks still doesn't get it. The derelict craft had stopped transmitting by the time W-Y came to the planet. They didn't know it was there. According to the second movie, they had no idea until they found Ripley floating in space 57 years later and she told them. They sent a scout to check the coordinates she gave and it led to the downfall of the whole colony.
 
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UberNeuman

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What? The aliens and the derelict spacecraft were not indigenous. The derelict craft had stopped transmitting by the time W-Y came to the planet. They didn't know it was there.

But they had the idea it was there..... hence the programing of Ash....
 

CZroe

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But they had the idea it was there..... hence the programing of Ash....

*facepalm*

Ash was following GENERIC directives created to be enacted in the event that signs of intelligent life were detected when out-of-contact with the corporation. They actually came from Mother (the computer). The contracts were always written that way and the computers/androids were programmed that way because the corporation wanted them to investigate INTELLIGENT life. The aliens were not even the intelligence detected: The Space Jockey was. This means that Mother was using even more obscure pre-programmed directives/priorities that they were never supposed to know about when she instructed the Captain and Ash to do what they did.
 
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Ichinisan

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But they had the idea it was there..... hence the programing of Ash....

Ash and Mother were programmed with a secret directive to bring back any extraterrestrial life they encountered. Even the crew members' contracts obligated them to seek out any sign of intelligent life (that's why Mother changed course and woke the crew when it detected a signal from the crashed, derelict spacecraft). The crew simply didn't know about that one caveat: "at all costs, crew is expendable." W-Y had no idea there was life there and it was out-of-contact with Earth. The ship and Ash were simply programmed to respond that way just for this exact situation.
 

UberNeuman

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Ash and Mother were programmed with a secret directive to bring back any extraterrestrial life they encountered. Even the crew members' contracts obligated them to seek out any sign of intelligent life (that's why Mother changed course and woke the crew when it detected a signal from the crashed, derelict spacecraft). The crew simply didn't know about that one caveat: "at all costs, crew is expendable." W-Y had no idea there was life there and it was out-of-contact with Earth. The ship and Ash were simply programmed to respond that way just for this exact situation.

Who programed Ash and Mother?
 

CZroe

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Who programed Ash and Mother?

You STILL don't get it? It was a company directive UNIVERSE-WIDE should ANY crew stumble across signs of intelligent life ANYWHERE for the same reason NASA is interested. Not because of a specific place or clue that a specific crew was unwittingly sent to investigate.

Like he said: They had no idea there was life there. The programming and clauses were in place should anyone encounter life anywhere as Standard Operating Procedure.
 
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Ichinisan

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Jim Cameron bought in the Alien Queen even if went against the life cycle laid down by Ridley Scott's film...

The aliens are highly-adaptable and even able to reproduce asexually. Their form and genetics seem to be dynamic and compatible with different species (humans, space jockeys, dogs, alien ox thing, etc). There are hundreds of possible explanations for the queen's purpose. Probably the most-likely purpose is to accelerate their population growth.
 
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UberNeuman

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You STILL don't get it? It was a company directive UNIVERSE-WIDE should ANY crew stumble across signs of intelligent life ANYWHERE for the same reason NASA is interested. Not because of a specific place or clue that a specific crew was unwittingly sent to investigate.

Like he said: They had no idea there was life there. The programming and clauses were in place should anyone encounter life anywhere as Standard Operating Procedure.

And of Prometheus..... the prequel.....
 

CZroe

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And of Prometheus..... the prequel.....

Why do you think everyone is complaining about the trailer being such a spoiler?
Prometheus obviously was sent someplace and never heard from again; they were not sent to THAT planet; that is simply where the Space Jockey alien ship crashed.

I'm willing to be that it explains how they were so well adapted to human physiology
and the different "proto-hugger" thing kinda confirms it for me.
 

Ichinisan

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Why do you think everyone is complaining about the trailer being such a spoiler?
Prometheus obviously was sent someplace and never heard from again; they were not sent to THAT planet; that is simply where the Space Jockey alien ship crashed.

I'm willing to bet that it explains how they were so well-adapted to human physiology
and the different "proto-hugger" thing kinda confirms it for me.

The trailer seems to give-away that
the space jockey's ship was taking the human-adapted xenomorphs to Earth to wipe-out mankind, then the Prometheus crew heroically crashes their ship into the space jockey's ship to disable it. The space jockey ship crashes onto LV-426 and never reaches Earth. The entire crew of the Prometheus dies and is never able to warn Earth of the xenomorph threat.
 

Ichinisan

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And of Prometheus..... the prequel.....

Prometheus explains why W-Y Corp was certain of the existence of extraterrestrial life. Star maps were found in ancient ruins of various unrelated cultures and
W-Y built the Prometheus to investigate. The ship and crew were never heard from again
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