Question about Aliens (1986)

[zinfamous]

Because fuck you, that's why. CRANK ALL THE BASS!

I sincerely believe this is the entire reasoning behind this trend.

 

[mikeymikec]

Re: Sigourney Weaver's "bulge"... do you guys hang outside the "Anorexics Anonymous" meetings in the hope of picking up?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Re: Sigourney Weaver's "bulge"... do you guys hang outside the "Anorexics Anonymous" meetings in the hope of picking up?

not a stomach bulge, a what's that in her tiny underwear? bulge

 

[mikeymikec]

not a stomach bulge, a what's that in her tiny underwear? bulge

I think it's a combination of what might be considered slightly odd-shaped underwear by today's standards, pubic hair, and other things one might normally expect to find the female of the species being equipped with.

At some point I'll find out when Sigourney Weaver had the obvious boob job. In Alien she's got an A-cup, maybe a B-cup, then if you watch something like 'Paul', she's gone up at least three cup sizes.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1326089984/nm0000244
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm723092736/nm0000244

versus the pic in this thread from Alien.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Bath salts

 

[SphinxnihpS]

You STILL don't get it? It was a company directive UNIVERSE-WIDE should ANY crew stumble across signs of intelligent life ANYWHERE for the same reason NASA is interested. Not because of a specific place or clue that a specific crew was unwittingly sent to investigate.

Like he said: They had no idea there was life there. The programming and clauses were in place should anyone encounter life anywhere as Standard Operating Procedure.

I hate to break it to you, but you are dead wrong.

 

[Ichinisan]

I hate to break it to you, but you are dead wrong.

What do you mean?

 

[SphinxnihpS]

What do you mean?

What I mean is plainly obvious.

 

[Ichinisan]

What I mean is plainly obvious.

The Prometheus crew was never heard from again. The rest of humanity had no clue there was a crashed alien spacecraft on that planet until Ripley and crew detected a signal / beacon coming from it. Hint: That planet is not the one that the Prometheus was sent to.

 

[mikeymikec]

The Prometheus crew was never heard from again. The rest of humanity had no clue there was a crashed alien spacecraft on that planet until Ripley and crew detected a signal / beacon coming from it. Hint: That planet is not the one that the Prometheus was sent to.

I haven't seen Prometheus, but the plot of Alien is that the company sent them to that location knowing that there was an alien life form there. The android was given the task of ensuring that the life form was brought back to the company above all other considerations ("Bring back life form. Priority One. All other priorities rescinded. "). Ripley decodes the beacon's transmission and thinks that it's a warning rather than an SOS.

So obviously some people were aware of what's on the planet.

 

[K1052]

I haven't seen Prometheus, but the plot of Alien is that the company sent them to that location knowing that there was an alien life form there. The android was given the task of ensuring that the life form was brought back to the company above all other considerations ("Bring back life form. Priority One. All other priorities rescinded. "). Ripley decodes the beacon's transmission and thinks that it's a warning rather than an SOS.

So obviously some people were aware of what's on the planet.

Ash was placed aboard the Nostromo shortly before it left Thedus and given that the Nostromo wasn't an exploration or scientific craft I think the company wasn't aware of the signal from the vicinity of LV-426 until shortly before the events of Alien. It was a risky move that had a lot of potential to go sideways, which it did. It's fairly clear that the company never dispatched another ship to investigate the signal or attempted to find the Nostromo and it's expensive cargo. Only when Ripley reappears after 50 odd years in a shuttle and explains what happened does anyone decide to check out the planet again, presumably the beacon has ceased transmission sometime soon after the Nostromo was destroyed and the order to execute Special Order 937 was only stored in the MU-TH-UR unit and didn't make it into the shuttle's flight recorder.

 

[Ausm]

It was a diversion tactic so she could get away..then the big Momma Alien ripped off her tail and chased her ass. Oh BTW, the Alien was smart enough to use the elevator also.

 

[ImpulsE69]

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So, it was eluded in Alien that the company WAS aware of there being lifeforms in that area by everything that happens and is said by the computer and Ash. There is no direct "yes they knew" spoken, but the idea is indeed there.

In Aliens the company had already sent terraformers to that planet prior to them finding Ripley. They never really explain why they sent them there, considering the hostility of the atmosphere, so once again there is the thought that they knew and sent them there specifically for that reason.

The overall idea being that there is some mega corp with an ulterior motive, which is what these movies are all about (well..and those alien things).

Since I haven't seen Prometheus yet, I am unclear how big the news was that they were sending a ship out expecting to find life or if it was a secret. If the general populous knew, then you would expect everyone later to 'think' there was life out there, but if it was a secret known only by Weyland Yutani and some government officials, that info could get buried over time.

That itself would either make or break the whole idea of anyone expecting there to be life 30-100 years later.

 

[Saint Nick]

I am going to watch this movie for the first time this week. Just saw Alien a couple nights ago! And both in Blu Ray!

 

[K1052]

In Aliens the company had already sent terraformers to that planet prior to them finding Ripley. They never really explain why they sent them there, considering the hostility of the atmosphere, so once again there is the thought that they knew and sent them there specifically for that reason.

Presumably finding a planet with the right gravity for humans is more important than the atmosphere being viable at the outset, hence the atmospheric processors.

All the company seems to have known was that there was a signal indicating intelligent life from the system (Ash only having orders to return a specimen at all costs), not localized to LV-426 until the Nostromo arrived on the scene. Given the time and resources indicated in establishing the colony it would not seem that they would have gone through the trouble if they knew the derelict ship was there.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

The Prometheus crew was never heard from again. The rest of humanity had no clue there was a crashed alien spacecraft on that planet until Ripley and crew detected a signal / beacon coming from it. Hint: That planet is not the one that the Prometheus was sent to.

I can't find a facepalm pic large enough.

 

[HAL9000]

I can't find a facepalm pic large enough.

Why...? I'm not seeing much wrong with what he said...

 

[SphinxnihpS]

You STILL don't get it? It was a company directive UNIVERSE-WIDE should ANY crew stumble across signs of intelligent life ANYWHERE for the same reason NASA is interested. Not because of a specific place or clue that a specific crew was unwittingly sent to investigate.

Like he said: They had no idea there was life there. The programming and clauses were in place should anyone encounter life anywhere as Standard Operating Procedure.

I hate to break it to you, but you are dead wrong.

What do you mean?

What I mean is plainly obvious.

The Prometheus crew was never heard from again. The rest of humanity had no clue there was a crashed alien spacecraft on that planet until Ripley and crew detected a signal / beacon coming from it. Hint: That planet is not the one that the Prometheus was sent to.

Let's play follow the logic trail.

The entirety of the conversation is posted above so you don't have to skip around.

In post 1 CZroe makes a FALSE statement. I have color-highlight the false staement so you can easily find it.

In post 2 I assert my belief that the statement is FALSE.

In post 3 Ichinisan asks me what I mean.

In post 4 I explain that what I mean is self-evident.

In post 5 Ichnisian not only agrees with CZroe, but elaborates on his agreement with a bunch of senseless speculation about a film that has not even been released yet- senseless because, even if the part about the "Space Jockey's" ship or the location of the planets is correct, it is irrelevant to my assertion that "The Company" (yes I know the name they gave it in the retarded sequel) knew exactly where they were sending the Nostromo, and to what end they would come, making the complete lack of a 40MP facepaml pic quite irritating.

Okay, got it?

 

[Ichinisan]

You STILL don't get it? It was a company directive UNIVERSE-WIDE should ANY crew stumble across signs of intelligent life ANYWHERE for the same reason NASA is interested. Not because of a specific place or clue that a specific crew was unwittingly sent to investigate.

Like he said: They had no idea there was life there. The programming and clauses were in place should anyone encounter life anywhere as Standard Operating Procedure.

I hate to break it to you, but you are dead wrong.

What do you mean?

What I mean is plainly obvious.

The Prometheus crew was never heard from again. The rest of humanity had no clue there was a crashed alien spacecraft on that planet until Ripley and crew detected a signal / beacon coming from it. Hint: That planet is not the one that the Prometheus was sent to.

I can't find a facepalm pic large enough.

Why...? I'm not seeing much wrong with what he said...

You STILL don't get it? It was a company directive UNIVERSE-WIDE should ANY crew stumble across signs of intelligent life ANYWHERE for the same reason NASA is interested. Not because of a specific place or clue that a specific crew was unwittingly sent to investigate.

Like he said: They had no idea there was life there. The programming and clauses were in place should anyone encounter life anywhere as Standard Operating Procedure.

I hate to break it to you, but you are dead wrong.

What do you mean?

What I mean is plainly obvious.

The Prometheus crew was never heard from again. The rest of humanity had no clue there was a crashed alien spacecraft on that planet until Ripley and crew detected a signal / beacon coming from it. Hint: That planet is not the one that the Prometheus was sent to.

I can't find a facepalm pic large enough.

Why...? I'm not seeing much wrong with what he said...

Let's play follow the logic trail.

The entirety of the conversation is posted above so you don't have to skip around.

In post 1 CZroe makes a FALSE statement. I have color-highlight the false staement so you can easily find it.

In post 2 I assert my belief that the statement is FALSE.

In post 3 Ichinisan asks me what I mean.

In post 4 I explain that what I mean is self-evident.

In post 5 Ichnisian not only agrees with CZroe, but elaborates on his agreement with a bunch of senseless speculation about a film that has not even been released yet- senseless because, even if the part about the "Space Jockey's" ship or the location of the planets is correct, it is irrelevant to my assertion that "The Company" (yes I know the name they gave it in the retarded sequel) knew exactly where they were sending the Nostromo, and to what end they would come, making the complete lack of a 40MP facepaml pic quite irritating.

In post 6 I again refuse to state which part of CZroe's statement was wrong.

In post 7 HAL9000 (who has seen Prometheus) says that CZroe's assertions seem to be correct.

In this post, I incorrectly state that "Prometheus" has not been released, and still fail to realize that I am wrong about CZroe's original statement.

Okay, got it?

Self ownage.

Prometheus has been released. It was released on June 1 in Europe. HAL9000 has seen Prometheus and he agrees with CZroe and I. He has not shared any plot details with me. All of my information is known simply from watching the original Alien and trailers for Prometheus (yes, the trailers contain massive spoilers). I recently re-watched the original Alien multiple times and you are absolutely incorrect. I've also re-watched Aliens twice in the same period and it further supports the facts I've stated.

Though you might think MOTHER is a communication system, it is not. MOTHER is an advanced (by 1979 standards) ship AI / autopilot system. The movie states many times that the Nostromo is too far-out to communicate with Earth at this point on their journey home. MOTHER detected the alien signal and followed "her" programming, which contained directives and protocols for this exact scenario (encountering a transmission from a possible alien life form or ship in distress). According to protocol, MOTHER diverted course. When the Nostromo reached the planet / system where the signal originated (LV-426), MOTHER woke the crew from stasis. Diverting course added months to the time required to return home. The entire crew were contractually obligated to investigate. In a scene packed with expository dialogue, the crew explains this in no uncertain terms.

If the company knew about the crashed ship and programmed MOTHER with coordinates, why didn't the Nostromo take them there on the first pass near the system? Why did they waste time traveling far past LV-426's system, then waste more time collecting a full load of mineral ore, then travel most of the way back home before diverting course? By doing that, the company risks a full load of valuable mineral ore along with the Nostromo and crew. The second movie implies that the ship and ore were extremely valuable to the company.

The second movie, Aliens, only further emphasizes that the company did not know about the existence of the creature on LV-426, nor the derelict spacecraft.

When Ripley is found 57 years later and returns to the planet, there is a long-range communication system in place; but it takes weeks to deliver a message and probably a full month to get a response. The company and colonists don't know of the creature nor of the derelict spacecraft. Apparently, the spacecraft's beacon stopped transmitting long before colonists arrived to terraform LV-426. At this point, the company had invested inconceivable amounts of money to terraform the planet. Though the company bigwigs don't believe Ripley's story about what happened to the Nostromo, Carter Burke (the sleazy guy) wanted to know for sure if Ripley's story was true...so he sent a vague transmission to the colony to investigate the coordinates where Ripley reported finding the derelict spacecraft. His transmission did not explain the threat or warn the colony. A colonist goes to check out the coordinates and and is brought back to the colony with a face-hugger attached...then bad things happen. It takes weeks for the company to know that the colony has stopped communicating, so Burke assumes the worst and finally believes Ripley's story. A team of space marines is assembled to go and find out what happened to the colony. Initially, Ripley doesn't want to go. She knows how dangerous the Alien creature is and how fortunate she was to survive the first encounter. However, Ripley can no longer sleep. She frequently has nightmares about the creatures. So that she might be able to sleep soundly again, she goes against her initial instinct and tags-along with the space marines...only to make sure the company keeps their word and destroys the creature without bringing it back to Earth.

I urge you to watch the movies again.

I honestly believe you've seen the movie Moon and somehow allowed it to influence your memory of Alien. In Moon,

Spoiler

the "crew" was told that he had no communication with Earth due to a malfunction, but that wasn't entirely true...

 

[SirStev0]

great film. that is my only contribution.

 

[monkey333]

I just out alien 3 at bb for 9 bux, and it was worth it cause I got a 10 spot coupon for Prometheus.. And yes I will watch it and enjoy it. The dir cut that is..

 

[Ichinisan]

I just got alien 3 at bb for 9 bux, and it was worth it cause I got a 10 spot coupon for Prometheus.. And yes I will watch it and enjoy it. The dir cut that is..

May as well throw that turd away. If you haven't opened it, you should exchange it. You could have got the same deal with Alien (1) and Aliens at Best Buy.

 

[Ichinisan]

I haven't seen Prometheus, but the plot of Alien is that the company sent them to that location knowing that there was an alien life form there. The android was given the task of ensuring that the life form was brought back to the company above all other considerations ("Bring back life form. Priority One. All other priorities rescinded. ").

Why would MOTHER give the task to Ash the android? The company could have directly programmed Ash with that objective.

"Bring back life form. Priority One. All other priorities rescinded."

This is very clear: MOTHER made a decision based on "her" programming. Ash was there to do her bidding.

In case you can't tell, MOTHER's disastrous decision / order was inspired by HAL9000, the nefarious computer AI from 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968). In 2001, HAL9000 piloted the Discovery One and many decisions and responsibilities were left to HAL.

Ripley decodes the beacon's transmission and thinks that it's a warning rather than an SOS.

So obviously some people were aware of what's on the planet.

In a deleted scene, Lambert plays the transmission and it's clearly not human vocalization. (click) The movie implied that the space jockey race was warning of their dangerous cargo. You think the movie implied that the transmission / warning was from other humans? Where did you get that idea?

 

[Ichinisan]

... alluded ...

While almost everything in your post was wrong, I'm only going to fix one thing for you (because it might actually be useful knowledge in the future).

 

[Paratus]

It seems to me the company knew of the space jockey race. But their knowledge was imperfect. My best guess here is the following:

1) Prometheus: (guessing now). Disaster for the human race is averted but no clear story of what happened to the Prometheus ships survives. The company knows what they went looking for and whatever they found was dangerous but possibly extremely valuable

2) Alien: We know the crew had to set down lv-426 or not get paid due to clauses in their contracts. We know Mother was programmed to return whatever specimen was found. These two facts tell me that inside the company was still the knowledge that space jockey race was out there and invaluable. The fact that Ash was added with his orders at last minute seems to indicate someone in the company had some knowledge of something on lv-426.

When the shit hits the fan and the Nostromo never returns I'm betting the story is buried by the company. That's two ships lost for no return plus possible criminal charges.

3)Aliens: After Ripley returns Burke looks into it and decides to gamble that something valuable is out there. Enough time has passed since the company buried the Prometheus and Nostromo that no one knows about the space jockeys or aliens and that's why the colony was put there for more normal commercial means.