President Obama birth certificate not authentic, results of Sherif Arpaio's study

[me4get]

His Mother is a US citizen. So is he, by being born to a US citizen. END STORY.

 

[Jaskalas]

Hypothetically, if his birth certificate is proven fake, definitively fake. Then what?

Nothing.

Laws that are not enforced do not exist.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Of course this is indisputably false in any remotely rational analysis.

The short version is during a long distance phone call (probably with bad voice quality), a non-professional language translator communicated that question in such a way that the grandmother understood the question as basically being if his ethnic ties were from the area and therefore initially answered with a yes. The second she understood what the person on the other line thought she was saying, she made it very clear that she was not present at Obama's birth because it was in the US and not in Kenya. (It was purely the grandmother's initial confusion, so the rest of your statement was absolutely 100% false.)

It certainly could not be viewed as reasonable evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, and in fact would more justifiably be viewed as evidence against it, given the family's extremely strong repeated clarifications that Obama was born in the US and specifically Hawaii as soon as they were clear what the caller was asking about.

Or clearly she told the truth but was told to say differantly later when she was told that she couldn't tell the truth

 

[Nemesis 1]

So in other words we have established we should ignore you since you clearly are not currently eligible to vote in the US since you are currently presumably involuntarily institutionalized.

Thats kinda sorta how its suppose to work. It won't belong now. Befor you realize that black is white and white s black . there is still alot of march left were my insanity changes frequency to match that of earths lets wait and see how this plays out . Interesting week ahead. We shall see who is sane and who is not.

 

[Aegeon]

Or clearly she told the truth but was told to say differantly later when she was told that she couldn't tell the truth

There was no measurable later when you listen to the phone conversation. (You're giving the completely bogus impression that the followup occurred hours or days later or something.) It also is plainly impossible that the grandmother could have been given detailed instructions to the contrary if you actually listen carefully to the conversation. The conversation absolutely perfectly fits with her clarifying that Obama was not born in Kenya the moment she actually understood what the phone caller was asking.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ok guys my mistake I found obummer birth cert, It looks right to me .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijUcNbuObzs&feature=related

 

[senseamp]

Even Fox News knows this birther stuff is toxic to Republicans. You have to look pretty hard to notice this story on their site.

 

[Bateluer]

His Mother is a US citizen. So is he, by being born to a US citizen. END STORY.

Except you need to be born on US soil to be a natural born citizen, as the law states. No one disputes that he's a US citizen.

 

[Nemesis 1]

There was no measurable later when you listen to the phone conversation. (You're giving the completely bogus impression that the followup occurred hours or days later or something.) It also is plainly impossible that the grandmother could have been given detailed instructions to the contrary if you actually listen carefully to the conversation. The conversation absolutely perfectly fits with her clarifying that Obama was not born in Kenya the moment she actually understood what the phone caller was asking.

Thats as you see it. I don't care one way or another. I just killing time befor the real killing beginns . a couple of hundred thousand deaths here and there are nothing comparred to the rest of this year

 

[soundforbjt]

Ok guys my mistake I found obummer birth cert, It looks right to me .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijUcNbuObzs&feature=related

You really give Ron Paul supporters a bad image.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Except you need to be born on US soil to be a natural born citizen, as the law states. No one disputes that he's a US citizen.

OH yes they do millions of people do . Obummer know longer has majority of people behind him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijUcNbuObzs&feature=related

 

[Nemesis 1]

Even Fox News knows this birther stuff is toxic to Republicans. You have to look pretty hard to notice this story on their site.

FOX CBS NBC it matters not they all work for the same end just how to achieve it is fought over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijUcNbuObzs&feature=related

 

[Aegeon]

Except you need to be born on US soil to be a natural born citizen, as the law states. No one disputes that he's a US citizen.

As I said before, as stated this is realistically wrong. (And you're wrong about what some of the birthers are claiming.)

(You can technically make this argument about needing to born inside the US period to be eligible since it has never actually been directly addressed in court, but realistically there isn't a prayer the Supreme Court in particular would ultimately buy it.)

You can make the argument that if Obama was not born in the US, (its irrelevant since the evidence clearly shows he was) he may not be a naturally born US citizen given the law at that time with the age of his mother (who was the US citizen) as of the date of his birth.

However the birther argument follows that since there is no evidence Obama was later made a US citizen, he is still not a US citizen today. (The whole argument is Obama was not made a citizen of the US upon his birth and is therefore not a naturally born US citizen.) Of course upon examination this is plainly a very crazy idea since Obama's mother could have easily later had Obama naturalized as a US citizen and the only reason to cover it up would have been if she had been basically plotting for him to get elected President of the U.S. from his birth.

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14&feature=related

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Sorry, I missed the sculpture entirely.

:biggrin:

Nemesis 1 - A P&N forum member who never met a conspiracy theory he didn't like.

 

[sandorski]

Are you talking about the Sheriff or Nemesis 1?

The Sherrif, but I suppose it could go either way.

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WLWN_Gmc-Y&feature=related

 

[senseamp]

Rightwingers have to decide if Obama is an incompetent buffoon or if he is a Kenyan born Muslim who got himself elected POTUS, despite Clinton and Republican political machines both highly skilled in digging up or creating dirt on rivals. Because if it's the latter, he's the smartest man in the world.

 

[Nemesis 1]

As I said before, as stated this is realistically wrong. (And you're wrong about what some of the birthers are claiming.)

(You can technically make this argument about needing to born inside the US period to be eligible since it has never actually been directly addressed in court, but realistically there isn't a prayer the Supreme Court in particular would ultimately buy it.)

You can make the argument that if Obama was not born in the US, (its irrelevant since the evidence clearly shows he was) he may not be a naturally born US citizen given the law at that time with the age of his mother (who was the US citizen) as of the date of his birth.

However the birther argument follows that since there is no evidence Obama was later made a US citizen, he is still not a US citizen today. (The whole argument is Obama was not made a citizen of the US upon his birth and is therefore not a naturally born US citizen.) Of course upon examination this is plainly a very crazy idea since Obama's mother could have easily later had Obama naturalized as a US citizen and the only reason to cover it up would have been if she had been basically plotting for him to get elected President of the U.S. from his birth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WLWN_Gmc-Y&feature=related

 

[Aegeon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WLWN_Gmc-Y&feature=related

You see to sane people, these youtube video links are generally not worthwhile arguments period, and its not clear how the video directly truly applies from the title. (A video is much worse than say a link to an article because its at least generally possible to scan an article for worthwhile information reasonably quickly.)

If there actually was anything in that 8 minute video which actually applied to the argument at hand, the sane reasonable thing to do would be to summarize what they are at a minimum and explain what portions of the videos cover them. You are not giving a genuine worthwhile response period by posting the link with no other information.

 

[Nemesis 1]

OK from obamas own mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related

From his wife

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k&feature=related

 

[Aegeon]

OK from obamas own mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related

Ok, that clearly is absolutely not evidence of anything period to reasonable people. (In other words people misspeak in a way that can be interpreted how you like if you desire it and stretch your interpretation enough out of context.)

Significantly it is OFF TOPIC from my previous post you posted the previous youtube video in response and appears to be essentially an outright admission that you can not explain how your conspiracy theory actually makes sense when put to logical examination on points like the one I just mentioned.

Edit: The comment from his wife is not even what you would actually expect her to say if she was intending to convey Obama was born in Kenya. It clearly falls under the category of a mispeak at most, and it really hurts your case that you were dumb enough to post such a link as your argument.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Ok, that clearly is absolutely not evidence of anything period to reasonable people. (In other words people misspeak in a way that can be interpreted how you like if you desire it and stretch your interpretation enough out of context.)

Significantly it is OFF TOPIC from my previous post you posted the previous youtube video in response and appears to be essentially an outright admission that you can not explain how your conspiracy theory actually makes sense when put to logical examination on points like the one I just mentioned.

Edit: The comment from his wife is not even what you would actually expect her to say if she was intending to convey Obama was born in Kenya. It clearly falls under the category of a mispeak at most, and it really hurts your case that you were dumb enough to post such a link as your argument.

The first video is from the 2010 White House Correspondents' Dinner... a venue where the President traditionally tells jokes, such as self-deprecating humor about his approval ratings and Republican comments on his birthplace...

 

[Aegeon]

The first video is from the 2010 White House Correspondents' Dinner... a venue where the President traditionally tells jokes, such as self-deprecating humor about his approval ratings and Republican comments on his birthplace...

Given that detail, the main question is who was crazy or dishonest enough to post that video and claim it was evidence in the first place, and just how bad was Nemesis 1's judgement to post it?

In other words Nemesis 1s seems utterly unable to post ANY actual evidence genuinely supporting his claims period, let alone a coherent argument as opposed to random worthless videos.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

self-deprecating humor...

Don't use big words/phrases that conspiracy theorists don't understand. They get confused and and end up ignoring them.