NV 12VHPWR issues revisited

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Heartbreaker

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Some interesting tidbits from the connector specs in the PCIe_CEM_R5.1_V1.0 documentation:

To me this shows increased reliance on the testing and the quality standards of each manufacturer. The 9.2A per pin load is actually the minimum requirement before testing. The final max rating can be anything based on connector side-load testing :p


"The specific wire, connectors and manufacturing process used for a cable assembly must be designed to accept the current imbalance due to contact resistance variability and side loading"

How the heck are they supposed to do that? It may be that they are expecting minor imbalances, so It can handle 10 or 11 amps, but we are seeing much worse in some cases.

It seems like they need some kind of Apple-like cable/connector approval process, where many samples are torture tested.

I remember the recent issues Der8auer had with his properly plugged in cable with no side loads. These were not minor current differences, he had 2, 4, and 5 amps on some wires and 23 amps on one of them.

To get those kind of imbalances, he had to have multiple very poor conductor/connection in the set. Which kind of points to a poor manufacturing process somewhere.

I was a little disappointed that he didn't investigate into the source of that cables issues (He plugged in a new cable and everything was fine). My curiosity would be why was the original cable so bad? It's rare to catch something this bad before it melts obscuring the original problem, so it was a unique investigation opportunity.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Techpowerup sums it up nicely:

lol

I thought there were a few of them? It's not like anyone can realistically buy one at this point so, the point is good enough. Needless to say, unless there are 5090s with two connectors out there from AIBs, the 5090 is substantially worse.
 
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I'm so glad that I'm free of the stress of owning a halo Geforce GPU: https://www.overclock.net/posts/29460965/

...and lastly i will need a new gpu as moving around the 4090 is not a wise choice with such a notorious connector design that has already bbq'ed a bit 3 cables do far.

That is really sad that people who paid cold hard cash are so scared of potential issues that they are not even moving the cards between their own rigs lest they get bitten by this infamously notorious engineering flaw.
 

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I'm so glad that I'm free of the stress of owning a halo Geforce GPU: https://www.overclock.net/posts/29460965/



That is really sad that people who paid cold hard cash are so scared of potential issues that they are not even moving the cards between their own rigs lest they get bitten by this infamously notorious engineering flaw.
I will keep my 3x8 pin. Hell 4x8 pin if they still made them kind of cards.
 
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gorobei

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derbauer on seasonic's early prototype 12vHFail psu with per pin current monitoring. shunt resistors on the pus only monitor but cant do anything to adjust current. theoretically they will have software warning you when something happens and you will have to stop the load.
still doesnt fix the problem at the source.
 
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H T C

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derbauer on seasonic's early prototype 12vHFail psu with per pin current monitoring. shunt resistors on the pus only monitor but cant do anything to adjust current. theoretically they will have software warning you when something happens and you will have to stop the load.
still doesnt fix the problem at the source.

All i'm saying ...
 
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theoretically they will have software warning you when something happens and you will have to stop the load.
Logging the event and shutting down the PSU would be better from a safety perspective (why wait for the user for "just a few minutes more of this shootin' tootin'" and the damage could still get extensive).
 

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"A Redditor has reported that he started noticing something was off when their monitor randomly shut off with a “DisplayPort not connected” message. After reinstalling drivers and even contacting NVIDIA support, the real culprit was found: melted power cables."

Imagine having someone from Nvidia support walk you through a number of basic troubleshooting steps, and at some point they ask you to check if your cable is melting. Bonus points if you have a 14900K and find out on the same day that the CPU is degraded too.
 
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Seba

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Imagine having someone from Nvidia support walk you through a number of basic troubleshooting steps, and at some point they ask you to check if your cable is melting. Bonus points if you have a 14900K and find out on the same day that the CPU is degraded too.
And a Samsung 990 Pro SSD.
 
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It is my opinion that any card drawing more than the base 375W per 12VHPWR connector should be avoided. Every single-cable 4090 and 5090 is in that mix, and the 5080 is borderline at 360W.

I would like to see any cards without the minimum protections named above recalled as dangerous and potentially faulty. This will not happen without extensive legal action taken against Nvidia and board partners. They see no problem with this until people make it their problem.

If you even suspect your card may be at risk, return it and get your money back. Spend it on something else. You can do a lot with 2 grand and a bit extra. They do not deserve your money if they are going to sell you a potentially dangerous product lacking arguably critical safety mechanisms. Yes that includes AMD and Intel. That goes for any company to be honest.

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