NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[WhiteNoise]

The sheeps are out in force.

I only poop at work now....

 

[happy medium]

I saw a figure today of 48 dead in the U.S. and 37 of them were old people in a hospital in Washington.
Is that true?
Please tell me all this panic is not because of that?
11 dead people outside of Washington state?
Your chances of dying if you are 20 to 50 years old and healthy are less than 1%?

That's why I can't toilet paper.?

 

[Mai72]

I saw a figure today of 48 dead in the U.S. and 37 of them were old people in a hospital in Washington.
Is that true?
Please tell me all this panic is not because of that?
11 dead people outside of Washington state?
Your chances of dying if you are 20 to 50 years old and healthy are less than 1%?

That's why I can't toilet paper.?

Michael Osterholm who is an infection disease expert and who has extensive knowledge on viruses was just on Joe Rogan. Go check out the show it was an eye opener. What he and his collegues current projections are: 48m hospitalizations, 96m cases occuring, and 480k deaths within 3-7 month time frame. COVID-19 is expected to be 10-15X worse than the flu. Those numbers aren't to be taken lightly. Also, you need to keep in mind that THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING! Italy 3 weeks ago was running perfectly. Now, the country is on lockdown. It's also not an old persons disease like we previously thought. In China, men under 40 were dying as well. That probably has much to do with the fact that many Chinese young men are smokers. It's probably why Italy's fatality rate is so high as well. They have a lot of smokers. Michael goes over that and more. His conversation with Joe was very informative and TBH a bit frightening. Finally, he says to stop thinking about COVID-19 as a quck event. This virus is here to stay for at least 3 months. It could be much longer.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

now that we don't have alky here, someone has to do it

i wonder how that guy is anyway

He‘s OK, bro. That virus is poor, doesn’t lift, and drives a shitty car, so it’s beta.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Sorry for being an asshole. I felt like someone needed to do it.

A few of us corrected the “viruses can reproduce while floating around in the air” error early in this thread and it didn’t sink in, so maybe you pointing it out again will make it stick. I personally don’t know how anyone doesn’t know that viruses hijack cells to reproduce, but whatever.

 

[H T C]

As soon as it was discovered the severity of the situation, and i'm referring to January in China, steps should have been taken to ensure countries around the world had the ability to check their population @ the earliest signs of infections. That means:

- having enough test kits to meet the possible demand
- prepare the population for the possibility of restrictions coming into play
- prepare extra intensive care units with all the necessary equipment in the hopes it MIGHT NOT be needed, but ready in case they were

Almost all countries thought they could "run along the progress of the virus" but they forgot this thing is exponential and, while they tried to double capacity for test kits, hospital equipment and the likes, the virus infections have increased by orders of magnitude and THAT'S THE ISSUE. They must act AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and AS SOON as anyone gets infected because, if not, cutting the spread will be very difficult and, the bigger the delay of aggressive actions to combat this thing, the costlier it will get down the line, be it monetary or people's lives. For over 80 countries, this "time" has passed, and there will be consequences for not reacting sooner: SEVERE ones, as evidenced by Europe's various countries.

A glaring example is South Korea: they were very aggressive with their fight against COVID-19 from the early stages and were successful in avoiding hospital situations like the one Italy currently faces. So much so the virus is now in decline there.

 

[Exterous]

Universities are working on what to do about tuition, housing, food plans etc. The richer ones will probably do some amount of refund but a lot were already struggling with enrollment and funding so wouldn't be able to do much without laying off a lot of employees or shutting down forever

American Airlines just sent me a notice not to call them unless it's about travel happening in the next 72 hours. Never seen that before.

I got one from British airways, United and two from Delta asking the same thing. Checked my BA tickets for to Norway for April 3rd and my option is still only a 40% refund so I guess I'll wait a bit longer to see if they improve that

 

[Mai72]

As soon as it was discovered the severity of the situation, and i'm referring to January in China, steps should have been taken to ensure countries around the world had the ability to check their population @ the earliest signs of infections. That means:

- having enough test kits to meet the possible demand
- prepare the population for the possibility of restrictions coming into play
- prepare extra intensive care units with all the necessary equipment in the hopes it MIGHT NOT be needed, but ready in case they were

Almost all countries thought they could "run along the progress of the virus" but they forgot this thing is exponential and, while they tried to double capacity for test kits, hospital equipment and the likes, the virus infections have increased by orders of magnitude and THAT'S THE ISSUE. They must act AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and AS SOON as anyone gets infected because, if not, cutting the spread will be very difficult and, the bigger the delay of aggressive actions to combat this thing, the costlier it will get down the line, be it monetary or people's lives. For over 80 countries, this "time" has passed, and there will be consequences for not reacting sooner: SEVERE ones, as evidenced by Europe's various countries.

A glaring example is South Korea: they were very aggressive with their fight against COVID-19 from the early stages and were successful in avoiding hospital situations like the one Italy currently faces. So much so the virus is now in decline there.

Yep. We were all warned that one day we could face something like this, and most people just brushed it off. That could never happen in my lifetime!

I often wonder when the black plague or the Speanish flu happend what kind of mindset did people back then have? They had a harder existence and death was a very common occurance. Oh, I'm sure it wasn't easy, but they were still able to cope with the devasting effects better than we ever could. Think about your grandmothers and grandfathers. They were resilent because they faced so much hardship. Today, so many are pampered. We've become very soft. Hell, people have difficulty waiting 1m for their Starbucks coffee. When it's cold we run inside to a warm house or car. When it's hot we turn on the AC. We sit on out butts all day watching TV and playing Video games. I worry that when and if the sh*t hits the fan are we going to be able to take the hit and move on with our lives, because the way that we currently live is probably going to be altered. So I worry. This seems like a minor incovience now. But, if this last a month or longer it could possibly get bad. And, I don't want to see that.

 

[Arkaign]

Hard times create hard men. Hard men create easy times. Easy times creates soft men. Soft men create hard times. Or something like that, anyway. It's a common historical lament, and somewhat understandable if not a perfect description.
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[Ichinisan]

I just realized something or maybe I am stupid.

The easiest way to catch the virus is on your mobile device most likely sense we bring the device home with us and continue to use it. We put out hands on it constantly even after touching doors, stair handles (at least if you touch them I rarely do unless I am feel like I am going to fall), etc.

Maybe I am wrong.

Other people are touching your mobile device?

 

[Muse]

I just realized something or maybe I am stupid.

The easiest way to catch the virus is on your mobile device most likely sense we bring the device home with us and continue to use it. We put out hands on it constantly even after touching doors, stair handles (at least if you touch them I rarely do unless I am feel like I am going to fall), etc.

Maybe I am wrong.

Of course, you are NOT wrong. I've not seen much but did see one instruction on how to decontaminate your cell phone.

Personally I'm very much an outlier with cell phone use, I make maybe 1 call/month with it. I do use it for audio in the gym. Should decontaminate it on getting home. 95+% of my calls are with my land line, a freebie nationwide add-on to my gigabit internet.

I don't have gel (never have), I do have isopropyl alcohol. I've been using that a bit. Spraying things (I always keep 70% IA in little spray bottles around the house and have been taking one with me lately) and wiping down with a tissue.

 

[Muse]

Ive noticed here in southern California, not many are yet practicing social distancing. I happen to drive by a Popeye's and people were crotch to crack in line...

Whoa! I knew there had to be a reason I don't live in L.A. anymore. I visited San Diego weekend of Feb. 29/Mar.1 for family function. I'd say we got in right under the wire. If that were today, I wouldn't go. Batten down the hatches!

I saw a lady with 5 or 7 gallons of milk today.

I never buy that stuff, a bit of a holdover from the days when I didn't own a car (20 straight years). It was bike or even walk to the markets. I buy non-fat dry milk powder and reconstitute. Doesn't bother me a bit. I've never been one to just hoist a glass of milk. I add milk to whatever, including coffee. I keep some reconstituted NFDM in the fridge at all times.

I bought enough NFDM powder to make 80 quarts a couple days ago online

 

[ultimatebob]

I see that Apple is closing their stores until the end of the month... which seems like a REALLY BAD idea to me.

Sure... kicking out that windowshoppers drooling over an overpriced Mac Pro... I get that. That said, you have millions of people depending on their Apple smart phones and computers while they are working from home. Where in the hell are they going to get those fixed when the Genius Bar is closed? The independent repair shops aren't going to be able to handle the volume.

 

[IronWing]

I bet Whole Foods should be pretty well stocked

My wife said that the local Sprouts was cleaned out of hand sanitizer, even the brands with no active ingredients.

 

[K1052]

I see that Apple is closing their stores until the end of the month... which seems like a REALLY BAD idea to me.

Sure... kicking out that windowshoppers drooling over an overpriced Mac Pro... I get that. That said, you have millions of people depending on their Apple smart phones and computers while they are working from home. Where in the hell are they going to get those fixed when the Genius Bar is closed? The independent repair shops aren't going to be able to handle the volume.

Have you seen what goes on inside those places? Lots of close contact, handing devices back and forth, people showing up in god knows what conditions because they smashed their iPhone screen for the 4th time because they don't have it in a case. No, closing up for a while is very responsible.

 

[brainhulk]

My wife said that the local Sprouts was cleaned out of hand sanitizer, even the brands with no active ingredients.

Lol @ no active ingredients. Haha

 

[Muse]

Yep. We were all warned that one day we could face something like this, and most people just brushed it off. That could never happen in my lifetime!

I was not that obtuse. I've been fearing this at least since the bird flu episode a few years ago.

I can put 2 and 2 together (math degree), and my family has a now deep tradition in medicine. I respect science. I detest our current federal administration. A silver lining on this will/would be to sweep the Republicans out of Washington. Yes, I'm talking politics because it's a big part of where we are right now.

My wife said that the local Sprouts was cleaned out of hand sanitizer, even the brands with no active ingredients.

I haven't even bothered to look for any, I know there's none there.

Have you seen what goes on inside those places? Lots of close contact, handing devices back and forth, people showing up in god knows what conditions because they smashed their iPhone screen for the 4th time because they don't have it in a case. No, closing up for a while is very responsible.

Last time I got sick was 2-3 days after visiting a Best Buy looking at travel laptops. That was December. I think I picked up germs messing with the on-display floor models' keyboards. I ate a granola bar without washing my hands and ... came down with a virus. Live and learn.

 

[Denly]

Need some advice, when I moved couple years ago I managed to keep my old flat and rented out to one new comer family(they're good people). It don't make much but net positive, I am considering if thing go south and they temp out of job(service work) I can try to work out some defer payment with them. Maybe something like 60% now and 40% later, to more exp landlord is this a bad idea?

I just think we're all into this together, I want to help out if need in my power.

 

[Exterous]

Got back from going grocery shopping about 30min ago. We had to go to two different stores to get everything we wanted but it wasn't too bad. One store was out of milk and some vegetables but the other store had plenty. Certain items were scarce like bread, rice, canned chicken and canned tomatoes (and cleaning supplies and TP) but most everything else was fine. Not entirely sure why canned tomatoes were scarce given the numerous canned veggies and pasta sauces that were still available in almost normal quantities. Lines weren't bad either

 

[TheVrolok]

Got back from going grocery shopping about 30min ago. We had to go to two different stores to get everything we wanted but it wasn't too bad. One store was out of milk and some vegetables but the other store had plenty. Certain items were scarce like bread, rice, canned chicken and canned tomatoes (and cleaning supplies and TP) but most everything else was fine. Not entirely sure why canned tomatoes were scarce given the numerous canned veggies and pasta sauces that were still available in almost normal quantities. Lines weren't bad either

I had the same experience yesterday, I wanted to make some penne alla vodka for dinner and canned tomatoes were equally scarce relative to other similar items. I guess people who want tomatoes but don't want them to be perishable are buying them all up?

 

[K1052]

I had the same experience yesterday, I wanted to make some penne alla vodka for dinner and canned tomatoes were equally scarce relative to other similar items. I guess people who want tomatoes but don't want them to be perishable are buying them all up?

*looks guiltily at 10 big cans of San Marzanos in pantry*

In my defense I haven't bought jarred pasta sauce in about a decade. We make it every time.

 

[K1052]

Spain prohibits non-essential travel inside the country. Tells people to stay home.

 

[jpiniero]

I can put 2 and 2 together (math degree), and my family has a now deep tradition in medicine. I respect science. I detest our current federal administration. A silver lining on this will/would be to sweep the Republicans out of Washington. Yes, I'm talking politics because it's a big part of where we are right now.

The economy is going to be so completely destroyed by these closures. That's going to be a far bigger deal than the virus response. It's obvious that Trump, et al were trying to be obtuse about it but have finally gave into the panic.

 

[Arkaign]

Spain prohibits non-essential travel inside the country. Tells people to stay home.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-08/thousands-march-in-spain-on-womens-day-despite-coronavirus-fears

It would have been useful to tell that to these dummies a week ago. What a debacle. It does no good for your program if your rally is clearly overshadowed by a global crisis. Just delay stuff like this until it is safe. This kind of arrogance almost certainly has directly added to the count of sick and dead. Inexcusably stupid.

 

[TheVrolok]

I saw a figure today of 48 dead in the U.S. and 37 of them were old people in a hospital in Washington.
Is that true?
Please tell me all this panic is not because of that?
11 dead people outside of Washington state?
Your chances of dying if you are 20 to 50 years old and healthy are less than 1%?

That's why I can't toilet paper.?

Tough to find what you aren't looking for. Odd that numbers are low in a country who purposefully dragged its feet on testing so that.. wait for it, the numbers would stay low.

Please tell me you don't let everyone fool you this easily.