NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Muse]

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-08/thousands-march-in-spain-on-womens-day-despite-coronavirus-fears

It would have been useful to tell that to these dummies a week ago. What a debacle. It does no good for your program if your rally is clearly overshadowed by a global crisis. Just delay stuff like this until it is safe. This kind of arrogance almost certainly has directly added to the count of sick and dead. Inexcusably stupid.

I was thinking those thoughts the day of the rallies when I saw the video on TV news. Psychic disconnect is a danger with causes. Gotta see the big picture at all times (yeah, easy to say...).

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Universities are working on what to do about tuition, housing, food plans etc. The richer ones will probably do some amount of refund but a lot were already struggling with enrollment and funding so wouldn't be able to do much without laying off a lot of employees or shutting down forever



I got one from British airways, United and two from Delta asking the same thing. Checked my BA tickets for to Norway for April 3rd and my option is still only a 40% refund so I guess I'll wait a bit longer to see if they improve that

I have a hard time feeling sympathy for most universities that spend more money on NCAA football advertising than their academics.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

NO GOD DAMNIT!

Bill Maher and John Oliver are both going dark and not doing their new episodes indefinitely. Mother fucker. How am I supposed to get the news now?

Bill Maher In Real Time Reveals ‘Real Time’ Off Indefinitely Due To Coronavirus Fears; John Oliver Going Dark After Sunday

TV Shows are shutting down fast over COVID-19 fears, with WarnerMedia's late nighters going dark after this week now too

deadline.com

 

[TheVrolok]

NO GOD DAMNIT!

Bill Maher and John Oliver are both going dark and not doing their new episodes indefinitely. Mother fucker. How am I supposed to get the news now?

Bill Maher In Real Time Reveals ‘Real Time’ Off Indefinitely Due To Coronavirus Fears; John Oliver Going Dark After Sunday

TV Shows are shutting down fast over COVID-19 fears, with WarnerMedia's late nighters going dark after this week now too

deadline.com

Fox and Friends, obviously.

 

[killster1]

Universities are working on what to do about tuition, housing, food plans etc. The richer ones will probably do some amount of refund but a lot were already struggling with enrollment and funding so wouldn't be able to do much without laying off a lot of employees or shutting down forever



I got one from British airways, United and two from Delta asking the same thing. Checked my BA tickets for to Norway for April 3rd and my option is still only a 40% refund so I guess I'll wait a bit longer to see if they improve that

korea air turned off its 1800 number a few weeks ago, i had to call the local airport, got a full refund even tho i had no insurance because they changed my flight time. Same with my air china tickets. full refund because they changed the date of flight / time

 

[zinfamous]

speaking of italian and 70s

The hero we deserve

 

[Exterous]

I have a hard time feeling sympathy for most universities that spend more money on NCAA football advertising than their academics.

I mean you know that most Universities don't do that and some of them have NCAA programs that are a huge net positive to the University even taking into account multi-million dollar salaries for coaches right?

 

[brianmanahan]

The hero we deserve

AND the one we need right now

because what else am i going to watch for the next 2 months

 

[Mai72]

Has anyone gotten one of those jevoh witness pamphlets yet?

Some guy is always handing those out. lol

 

[zinfamous]

isopropyl alcohol isnt sold out that i could see. ill have to recheck but i saw it for sale on amazon yesterday.

FYI: someone mentioned this earlier in this thread or some other, regarding making their own hand sanitizer:

this is a simple thing, but just remember to keep track of your percentages. Someone said mix IPA 50/50 with hand lotion or whatever....if you do that, you're 99% IPA is now 50% in your final solution, so no bueno.

make sure you take stock of final volume of solution based on original percentage of reagents.

M(olarity)1 * V(olume)1 = M2V2. just keep that in mind. You can also swap "percentage" for M--just keep your units straight. concentration, though (say you have something that is mg/ml) isn't a direct swap for M.

for example. you want to make 200 ml of hand sanitizer. The critical thing is keeping your IPA at 70%, minimum. you have "100%" IPA, whatever that is, and you want to make sure you end up with 70% in your sanitizer. so, you need to figure out what volume of "100%" will insure you have 70% of IPA in your final, let's say 200ml, bottle of stuff:

x(1) = 200ml(0.7)
x = 140ml

so...you need 140ml of "100%" IPA to make 200ml of a solution that contains 70% IPA. That gives you 60ml of remaining volume to play with, I would suggest a mixture of lotion (maybe J&J baby soap/shampoo and a mixture of ddH20 and a *very small amount* of SDS (like 100 ul) and a non-ionic detergent) ....or just use Dawn, lol. It's quite powerful (it already contains SDS with other non-ionic detergents, I think).

maybe 60ml = 30ml lotion/shampoo + 10ml Dawn + 20ml ddH20

 

[killster1]

FYI: someone mentioned this earlier in this thread or some other, regarding making their own hand sanitizer:

this is a simple thing, but just remember to keep track of your percentages. Someone said mix IPA 50/50 with hand lotion or whatever....if you do that, you're 99% IPA is now 50% in your final solution, so no bueno.

make sure you take stock of final volume of solution based on original percentage of reagents.

M(olarity)1 * V(olume)1 = M2V2. just keep that in mind. You can also swap "percentage" for M--just keep your units straight. concentration, though (say you have something that is mg/ml) isn't a direct swap for M.

for example. you want to make 200 ml of hand sanitizer. The critical thing is keeping your IPA at 70%, minimum. you have "100%" IPA, whatever that is, and you want to make sure you end up with 70% in your sanitizer. so, you need to figure out what volume of "100%" will insure you have 70% of IPA in your final, let's say 200ml, bottle of stuff:

x(1) = 200ml(0.7)
x = 140ml

so...you need 140ml of "100%" IPA to make 200ml of a solution that contains 70% IPA. That gives you 60ml of remaining volume to play with, I would suggest a mixture of lotion (maybe J&J baby soap/shampoo and a mixture of ddH20 and a *very small amount* of SDS (like 100 ul) and a non-ionic detergent) ....or just use Dawn, lol. It's quite powerful (it already contains SDS with other non-ionic detergents, I think).

maybe 60ml = 30ml lotion/shampoo + 10ml Dawn + 20ml ddH20

thats cool, i have loads of hand sanitizer already but it is interesting to make it, and yea 99% is harder to find but i still see it for sale everywhere. i have 3x 64oz of hand sanitizer for 6 of us in my family to use. put it in 3oz bottles to carry (the 64 oz jug seemed crazy to put in the car) surprisingly the kido's (2 and 3 ) like to use it. thnx for those calculations yes i understand 60% or more is required to be useful.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

While people are overreacting to this emergency it just goes to show how overpopulated the world is.

It's not that people are overreacting imo, it's that the majority is reacting at once. My family basically did what everyone is doing now, except we spread it out over 2-4 weeks leading up to this. We're good for about a month, but if we ration we can stretch that. We've now entered the phase of "assume nothing is easily replaceable".

 

[ponyo]

Questions I have. 1). Why is Africa not blowing up with this virus? Chinese have pretty much taken over economic control of the continent the last decade yet not much news of infections running rampant in African countries. Most of the reported cases in Africa are from European and North American travelers who traveled to Africa and tested sick while there. Not much news of local transmission. Why is that? 2). Could the hot climate and relatively young population in African countries helping to prevent the spread there? Or is Africa screwed like the rest of us and we'll soon see cases blowing up there in the future?

 

[H T C]

Yep. We were all warned that one day we could face something like this, and most people just brushed it off. That could never happen in my lifetime!

I often wonder when the black plague or the Speanish flu happend what kind of mindset did people back then have? They had a harder existence and death was a very common occurance. Oh, I'm sure it wasn't easy, but they were still able to cope with the devasting effects better than we ever could. Think about your grandmothers and grandfathers. They were resilent because they faced so much hardship. Today, so many are pampered. We've become very soft. Hell, people have difficulty waiting 1m for their Starbucks coffee. When it's cold we run inside to a warm house or car. When it's hot we turn on the AC. We sit on out butts all day watching TV and playing Video games. I worry that when and if the sh*t hits the fan are we going to be able to take the hit and move on with our lives, because the way that we currently live is probably going to be altered. So I worry. This seems like a minor incovience now. But, if this last a month or longer it could possibly get bad. And, I don't want to see that.

Authorities should learn from the past.

Here's a case where Local Authorities reacted the RIGHT WAY (start @ roughly 34:27) to a flu epidemic.

Unfortunately, most countries reacted this way (start @ roughly 24:40) to a flu epidemic.

In case you're wondering, both links above are from the same video.

 

[FelixDeCat]

The hero we deserve

Mama mia!

 

[killster1]

Questions I have. 1). Why is Africa not blowing up with this virus? Chinese have pretty much taken over economic control of the continent the last decade yet not much news of infections running rampant in African countries. Most of the reported cases in Africa are from European and North American travelers who traveled to Africa and tested sick while there. Not much news of local transmission. Why is that? 2). Could the hot climate and relatively young population in African countries helping to prevent the spread there? Or is Africa screwed like the rest of us and we'll soon see cases blowing up there in the future?

lololol well for one do you think people are not dying everyday of things in africa? do you think they have a huge news media outlet watching over the situation? do you think they have any test kits at all? maybe its just starting over there, people dont travel AS much from all those countries compared to non 3rd world countries right? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-spreads-african-countries-200313153229327.html

people with the virus dont go to the hospitals they are just sick so they deal with it. When have you gone to the hospital for being sick? (ive never gone even to the DR office for being sick so how do we really know anything)

 

[zinfamous]

I mean you know that most Universities don't do that and some of them have NCAA programs that are a huge net positive to the University even taking into account multi-million dollar salaries for coaches right?

I think only Penn State and Alabama and maybe Texas actually turn a net profit on their athletics expenses, in the end. Regardless, AD tends to be a completely separate entity from nearly all universities, as I understand it. ...budget wise. Expenses are their own, as are the income to pay for their ridiculous expenses. I think few of them actually break even?

...however, I still think it is patently ridiculous that football (and basketball) coaches at these skills are among the highest-paid individuals in basically any state. It's absurd.

 

[FelixDeCat]

It's not that people are overreacting imo, it's that the majority is reacting at once. My family basically did what everyone is doing now, except we spread it out over 2-4 weeks leading up to this. We're good for about a month, but if we ration we can stretch that. We've now entered the phase of "assume nothing is easily replaceable".

I guess it depends on how you define "overreaction". Personally speaking, I've always been germophobic with handsantizers at home, work, the office and in the door panel of my car. Now Im even more so!

Now with so many people, anything small thing they all decide to do is magnified exponentially. Everyone decides to hunker down all at the same time? Empty shelfs. Everyone now is a germophobe? Purell is out of stock nationwide.

 

[IronWing]

I think only Penn State and Alabama and maybe Texas actually turn a net profit on their athletics expenses, in the end. Regardless, AD tends to be a completely separate entity from nearly all universities, as I understand it. ...budget wise. Expenses are their own, as are the income to pay for their ridiculous expenses. I think few of them actually break even?

...however, I still think it is patently ridiculous that football (and basketball) coaches at these skills are among the highest-paid individuals in basically any state. It's absurd.

Coaches don't face the demand for return on investment expected of professors at research universities. Profs are expected to pull in enough money to cover their own salaries, their grad students, their equipment, lab space, plus the 30-100% overhead (varies by university) to cover administrators and other university needs. The return on investment for sports is ridiculously low compared to what universities demand of their research faculty.

In my senior year, my alma mater slapped an "athletics" fee on all students to cover a shortfall in the football program. The vast majority of students were in the "shut it down" camp.

 

[zinfamous]

Coaches don't face the demand for return on investment expected of professors at research universities. Profs are expected to pull in enough money to cover their own salaries, their grad students, their equipment, lab space, plus the 30-100% overhead (varies by university) to cover administrators and other university needs. The return on investment for sports is ridiculously low compared to what universities demand of their research faculty.

In my senior year, my alma mater slapped an "athletics" fee on all students to cover a shortfall in the football program. The vast majority of students were in the "shut it down" camp.

preaching to the choir here.

 

[Mai72]

In regard to China look for the virus to reemerage when people come out of their homes. Micheal Osterholm, who was just on Joe Rogan is very convinced that when people start to come out of hiding and resume normal activity that the virus is going to come back, and the people who weren't infected are going to be sick. He also breifly talks about the obesity epidemic in America and how this could play out for that group as well. Great video BTW.

 

[CZroe]

Questions I have. 1). Why is Africa not blowing up with this virus? Chinese have pretty much taken over economic control of the continent the last decade yet not much news of infections running rampant in African countries. Most of the reported cases in Africa are from European and North American travelers who traveled to Africa and tested sick while there. Not much news of local transmission. Why is that? 2). Could the hot climate and relatively young population in African countries helping to prevent the spread there? Or is Africa screwed like the rest of us and we'll soon see cases blowing up there in the future?

Other than Northern Africa, the rest is equatorial or in the southern hemisphere where it is summer.


...so there is that.

 

[Mai72]

When they say large gatehrings they mean crowds of 250 or more.

But, what about a constant stream of people going to the store? If the virus can live for an hour or more in the air, what's not to say that I go food shopping and come into contact with the droplets of an infectious person who was there 30m before? 1k people food shopping in a day is very real. Wouldn't that be an issue as well? Just asking.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

For all those who claim this can't happen in democracies - Spain is locking down now just like Italy. It's going to happen soon in the US too imo... the military has already had domestic travel halted - this tells me they are preparing to deploy locally. They get this going asap while we still have a few days of lead time over the situation in Europe...

People will get a reality check, life may forever feel different after this, but at least we may come to appreciate what we have when things are normal.

 

[IronWing]

What would the military be doing?