NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[CZroe]

problem is the things to make DIY is all sold out as well.

They imply that you might already have it, and I do, but most in the US wouldn't have 99% isopropyl or be able to find it locally. Drug stores won't have it. I get mine from electronics supply stores. In other countries like AUS I see they can just buy a spray bottle of it at the pharmacy/drug store.

HIV in blood from something like a cut or nosebleed can be active for several days, even in dried blood. Maybe even 5-6 days, they just dont go away when its dried up. but i really wasnt paying attention and red squril seems like they are pranking us too.. they said insects when comparing the virus? yes it multiplies prob crawls to new surfaces too! beware might crawl right in your mouth while you sleep!!!!!!!! EEEK

You are right. It *can* survive for days...under ideal conditions. It's just like blood banks can keep extracted blood viable for an extended period... HIV and all. It will typically take a matter of hours without ideal conditions that normally wouldn't exist in transit. The transit time for an international package from China that wasn't flown directly to you on a non-stop flight is enough to ensure safety... barring a terrorist engineering something designed to transport and infect or a bio-lab using specially engineered packaging.

 

[K1052]

Pritzker orders IL schools shut till at least the end of March.

Wolf orders PA schools shut for 10 days or longer.

American Airlines just sent me a notice not to call them unless it's about travel happening in the next 72 hours. Never seen that before.

 

[pmv]

He really did learn that in 5th or 6th grade. I was there. Soon after that we were home schooled. Didn't you ever wonder/care what the difference was between bacteria and viruses? Didn't you think it was cool to learn that viruses aren't technically alive? They're like little keys that float around and start your cell machinery with the wrong input.

Be curious.

See, the thing is, I was a geek at school - and got beaten up for it on a regular basis. It wasn't a school with high academic standards, they were grateful if you turned up at all and didn't burn the place down. The fact is if I'd have gone round expressing 'surprise' at someone not knowing something like that I'd have gotten beaten up a lot more! I might have ended up in hospital (which I did, once). The reality is the world is _full_ of people who don't know the difference between viruses and bacteria.

A lot of people have other things they have to concentrate on that get in the way of academic study (as a friend who had an extremely brutal and violent childhood at the hands of their violent alcoholic parents keeps reminding me if I ever lapse and say something that they think sounds like intellectual snobbery). I'm sure you, and anyone else who doesn't live in a class-bubble, are at some level aware of that.

I have no clue what RedSquirrel's background or politics are (it's possible I'd disagree entirely with them, as it happens), but he wasn't being obnoxious or vicious in his lack of knowledge on this particular issue, he was just floundering a bit in a completely harmless way, so I just don't see a reason to be mean about it. Intellectual snobbery is far too often just class-snobbery in disguise, in my experience. It irks me.

I did, as it happens, learn that particular point in school, but always preferred physics as biology meant you had to do horrible icky stuff like dissecting frogs. Though my fellow students seemed to be more interested in setting fire to themselves with lighter fluid during the lessons, sigh. I miss those days.

 

[Ichinisan]

I hate how geek types can be so patronising. It's quite embarrassing.

Not everyone has a high-level formal education in every discipline. Perhaps you need to educate yourself about the world you live in? You seem quite ignorant about it.

I can't emphasize this enough: It is really basic. Grade school basic. Shame on anyone who continues to spread hysteria based on ignorance of the basics, even AFTER being told in this very thread.

 

[pmv]

I can't emphasize this enough: It is really basic. Grade school basic. Shame on anyone who continues to spread hysteria based on ignorance of the basics, even AFTER being told in this very thread.

I can't emphasize this enough - not everyone has had he same life as you.

E.g. some of us have never heard of 'grade school'...googles it...oh, you mean primary school. Well, not everyone learns that in primary school. Again, you don't seem to know much about that aspect of the world - what other people's lives are like. But I'm starting to suspect I'm being mean myself - there's probably a reason why you don't know about this stuff, just as my friend who spent her childhood being forced to work in their violent parent's business has a reason for not knowing about a lot of academic stuff.

I saw no 'spreading hysteria', just someone being a bit confused.

 

[Ichinisan]

... The reality is the world is _full_ of people who don't know the difference between viruses and bacteria.

It's shameful for giving bad "advice" and continuing to spread ignorant hysteria after he was already told in this very thread.

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I have no clue what RedSquirrel's background or politics are (it's possible I'd disagree entirely with them, as it happens), but he wasn't being obnoxious or vicious in his lack of knowledge on this particular issue,

Worse. He was continuing to spread hysteria and bad advice based on ignorance that was already directly corrected in this thread he previous time he brought it up.

he was just floundering a bit in a completely harmless way, so I just don't see a reason to be mean about it.

You think hysteria is harmless?

Intellectual snobbery is far too often just class-snobbery in disguise, in my experience. It irks me.

It irks me to see someone continuing to spread ignorance after he had already been corrected in a more sensitive manner. It clearly didn't work.

 

[Ichinisan]

I can't emphasize this enough - not everyone has had he same life as you.

Whether or not he learned it in school is irrelevant now. I witnessed the correction in this thread, which was quickly disregarded.

Again, you don't seem to know much about that aspect of the world - what other people's lives are like.

I recognize that the previous correction (by others) was ineffective and a different approach was required.

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I saw no 'spreading hysteria', just someone being a bit confused.

Unfounded anxiety and canceling Amazon orders and giving advice based on ignorance - it's hysteria. It's dangerous if others who are ignorant of the same thing see this advice and start taking similar actions that disadvantage themselves (and others by extension). Even a small amount of ignorance can have a huge impact on the economy and the people who can still work.

 

[CZroe]

I can't emphasize this enough - not everyone has had he same life as you.

E.g. some of us have never heard of 'grade school'...googles it...oh, you mean primary school. Well, not everyone learns that in primary school. Again, you don't seem to know much about that aspect of the world - what other people's lives are like. But I'm starting to suspect I'm being mean myself - there's probably a reason why you don't know about this stuff, just as my friend who spent her childhood being forced to work in their violent parent's business has a reason for not knowing about a lot of academic stuff.

I saw no 'spreading hysteria', just someone being a bit confused.

I didn't think Red Squirrel was saying everyone should be scared of packages from China but I think Ichinisan took it that way. Ichinisan is also referencing this video from Red Squirrel...

He doesn't seem to be spreading hysteria since he started off with "don't panic" but he also doesn't seem to have a very informed perspective. Then again, we don't need an "informed perspective" to participate in this thread so I don't think anyone needs an "informed perspective" to talk about it on YouTube... as long as they leave the comments enabled so it isn't a one-way conversation.

 

[Ichinisan]

I didn't think Red Squirrel was saying everyone should be scared of packages from China but I think Ichinisan took it that way. Ichinisan is also referencing this video from Red Squirrel...

He doesn't seem to be spreading hysteria but he also doesn't seem to have a very informed perspective. Then again, we don't need an "informed perspective" to participate in this thread so I don't think anyone needs an "informed perspective" to talk about it on YouTube... as long as they leave the comments enabled so it isn't a one-way conversation.

He suggested that viruses might be able to multiply in your Amazon package while in-transit, even after being told previously why that's impossible.

 

[CZroe]

He suggested that viruses might be able to multiply in your Amazon package while in-transit, even after being told that viruses don't work that way.

I know. I responded to him before you did with "we've been over this" and I explained again.

 

[pmv]

Whether or not he learned it in school is irrelevant now. I witnessed the correction in this thread, which was quickly disregarded.


I recognize that the previous correction (by others) was ineffective and a different approach was required.



Unfounded anxiety and canceling Amazon orders and giving advice based on ignorance - it's hysteria. It's dangerous if others who are ignorant of the same thing see this advice and start taking similar actions that disadvantage themselves (and others by extension). Even a small amount of ignorance can have a huge impact on the economy and the people who can still work.

If you think that guy's confused posts on an inconsequential forum constituted 'spreading hysteria' you have a distorted perspective. Ditto if you think one guy's amazon order is going to determine the future of the economy, in a context where hundreds of people are dying every day.

That said, no way am I going to waste time watching that random youtube video, which I do strongly suspect will be bunkum.

Edit - no, wait, regardless of what he'd been banging on about - it remains the case that all that 'this is basic stuff' 'you should have learned it in grade school' stuff is obnoxious snobbery. it doesn't really matter what the context was, any more than using racist language would be excused becuase the person you were directing it at had said something horrible. It remains wrong.

 

[Ichinisan]

If you think that guy's confused posts on an inconsequential forum constituted 'spreading hysteria' you have a distorted perspective. Ditto if you think one guy's amazon order is going to determine the future of the economy, in a context where hundreds of people are dying every day.

That said, no way am I going to waste time watching that random youtube video, which I do strongly suspect will be bunkum.

It's not a random video, it's Red Squirrel's video.

Have you seriously never seen ignorance spread online? It happens when you do nothing to stop it.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I even mentioned in the video the whole idea was to just test this weird thing Youtube is doing with anything related to Coronavirus. I just had to be subtle about it so the algorithm does not pick up on the fact that it's not a "real" video or it might treat it differently. People even mentioning the word Coronavirus are being demonetized so was curious to see what happens when your channel is too small to be monetized, if it triggers a strike or something.

The content of the video itself is fairly is just basic stuff that people should already know like avoiding travel and all that and is not really meant to be hysteria. The title is clickbaity but that was kind of part of the test I was doing.

 

[pmv]

It's not a random video, it's Red Squirrel's video.

Have you seriously never seen ignorance spread online? It happens when you do nothing to stop it.

Yes, it's still random though. It's of no significance. (Feel free to tell me roughly what it says so I don't have to waste time watching the damn thing, as now I'm wondering what kind of misinformation it is).

Again, it doesn't matter if he was 'spreading ignorance' your form of attack was insulting to the millions who never learned such things in 'grade school'.

 

[CZroe]

If you think that guy's confused posts on an inconsequential forum constituted 'spreading hysteria' you have a distorted perspective. Ditto if you think one guy's amazon order is going to determine the future of the economy, in a context where hundreds of people are dying every day.

That said, no way am I going to waste time watching that random youtube video, which I do strongly suspect will be bunkum.

Well, it isn't too "random." It's Red Squirrel's own video. Red Squirrel is the guy Ichinisan is admonishing.

But, yeah, you are totally right. Red doesn't purport to be an expert and he spends more time asking why people keep traveling when they could stay at home. Probably shouldn't have said it the way he did which implied that you probably won't get it if you don't travel to China and such but I think most people understand that's a bit of an exaggeration.

 

[CZroe]

Yes, it's still random though. It's of no significance. (Feel free to tell me roughly what it says so I don't have to waste time watching the damn thing, as now I'm wondering what kind of misinformation it is).

Again, it doesn't matter if he was 'spreading ignorance' your form of attack was insulting to the millions who never learned such things in 'grade school'.

As I said earlier, he was trying to be insulting to make Red self-conscious, so pointing it out isn't going to open Ichinisan's eyes to that fact. It was Ichinisan's deliberate change in strategy to get it to sink in and change Red's behavior before being so willing to dismiss a correction in the future.

 

[Ichinisan]

I even mentioned in the video the whole idea was to just test this weird thing Youtube is doing with anything related to Coronavirus. I just had to be subtle about it so the algorithm does not pick up on the fact that it's not a "real" video or it might treat it differently. People even mentioning the word Coronavirus are being demonetized so was curious to see what happens when your channel is too small to be monetized, if it triggers a strike or something.

The content of the video itself is fairly is just basic stuff that people should already know like avoiding travel and all that and is not really meant to be hysteria. The title is clickbaity but that was kind of part of the test I was doing.

OK.

Anyway, that bit in this thread about multiplying in the air and infecting the atmosphere of the whole planet was an interesting bit of hysteria to say the least.

 

[pmv]

As I said earlier, he was trying to be insulting to make Red self-conscious, so pointing it out isn't going to open Ichinisan's eyes to that fact. It was Ichinisan's deliberate change in strategy to get it to sink in and change Red's behavior before being so willing to dismiss a correction in the future.

OK, to be honest I'm wanting to defuse this row, given that it seems silly in a context where I'm sure I'm not the only one worrying about elderly family members, and where a lot of people are getting seriously ill not very far away from me. But attacks on someone for lacking certain parts of formal education remind me of so many people I know who have had very hard lives and concequently entirely lack such education because they never had the chance to have it. That doesn't make someone inferior or a freak or even _necessarily_ wrong (regarldess of whether in this case they actually were, in point of fact, wrong)..

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

tbh I have to agree that the only people who should be giving medical or biological grade advice concerning this should be doctors....

Outside of that, I''ll let anyone pass with messages as informative as "you should wash your hands". That's about it.

 

[CZroe]

they can flail all they want, it's the Wuhan SARS like virus.

 

[shortylickens]

I can't emphasize this enough - not everyone has had he same life as you.

E.g. some of us have never heard of 'grade school'...googles it...oh, you mean primary school. Well, not everyone learns that in primary school. Again, you don't seem to know much about that aspect of the world - what other people's lives are like. But I'm starting to suspect I'm being mean myself - there's probably a reason why you don't know about this stuff, just as my friend who spent her childhood being forced to work in their violent parent's business has a reason for not knowing about a lot of academic stuff.

I saw no 'spreading hysteria', just someone being a bit confused.

FOR EXAMPLE:

Helena Bonham Carter had no idea what she was saying. But she didnt like the previous line "I wanna have your abortion" and made the director change it.

 

[Muse]

4) The American people. How many are prepared financially just in case this is prolonged for 3 months or longer? Do you have enough put away for an emergency like this? Can you go 6 months without work? How is your health? We need to end our reliance on the government.

I'm OK with what you say except the last sentence, which is a WTF. We need government and it's at a time like this especially. Are you some kind of unhinged anarchist. Probably not, but don't say things like that.

Oh I'm not saying that it's safe. I'm saying most Americans probably don't even think of it. Majority probably think as long as they aren't in coughing range of others then they are safe.

We know better, we've been told about wipes, surfaces. We're not all doofuses. Majority? Are they polling the public on covid-19 awareness? Not heard any.

Personally, I get a fair amount of stuff left on my porch. Am I assuming there are no SARS-CoV-2 spores in/on that stuff? No siree.

 

[Mai72]

I'm OK with what you say except the last sentence, which is a WTF. We need government and it's at a time like this especially. Are you some kind of unhinged anarchist. Probably not, but don't say things like that.

We do need government intervention especially in times of crisis. Im just saying maybe we could take on more responsibility in areas of our lives. It would make it easier on us when we are confronted with a crisis like this. Just saying.

 

[Mai72]

tbh I have to agree that the only people who should be giving medical or biological grade advice concerning this should be doctors....

Outside of that, I''ll let anyone pass with messages as informative as "you should wash your hands". That's about it.

but but but the internet doctors. We shouldn't listen to them as well?

 

[brianmanahan]

i'm not a doctor but i play one on ATOT