NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[killster1]

Walmart is putting a limit on certain items like toilet paper. Good. Hope other stores follow suit.

but how do they stop you from just making multiple purchases? even if the cashier recognizes you, will they stop you!? sorry sir i saw you in here earlier buying TP we have a strict 2 ply limit! i bought mine 3 weeks ago when i saw it coming too, have 80 rolls lulz i really didnt even need it already had 40 rolls but why not it doesnt go bad.

 

[killster1]

Certain things will take 2+ months. Others won't.

Airlines for example - after 3 weeks or whatever people aren't going to magically want to start flying the next day. It will be 2-3 months MINIMUM for the travel industry to get even remotely close back to normal.

maybe you are right maybe wrong, it all depends on 2 things reinfection rate, and medicine/vaccine if it ever comes.

 

[Ichinisan]

I still prefer not to chance it. It's hard to control, and it all depends on the type of conditions the packages are in throughout the journey. I would imagine when it's sitting in a cargo container at sea being hit by the sun it could reach some 30 degrees or so which is perfect breeding temperature for it to multiply fast, maybe even mutate.

This is at least the second time you have posted in this thread with the fundamental misconception that viruses can multiply away from the cells of a living being.

Also: Don't post advice videos to YouTube if you don't even understand the basics of how a virus replicates. Probably every single viewer literally knows more about it than you. I'm serious about that.

 

[Red Squirrel]

but how do they stop you from just making multiple purchases? even if the cashier recognizes you, will they stop you!? sorry sir i saw you in here earlier buying TP we have a strict 2 ply limit! i bought mine 3 weeks ago when i saw it coming too, have 80 rolls lulz i really didnt even need it already had 40 rolls but why not it doesnt go bad.

I think it's per transaction, so technically you could go to your car to bring your stuff and go back in and get more. In my city you would get your car broken into and your stuff stolen if you left your car and went back in though so I doubt most people will chance it. You'd have to drive home and then go back.

It will at very least make it harder to hoard as you can't just fill the cart and go to the cash.

 

[allisolm]

The picture of the guy with all the water and toilet paper in the shopping cart...taller than him and everyone else...Is it for real and not Photoshop?

Well, let me say this - how lucky they were to find that cart with a case of Corona immediately following him.

 

[balloonshark]

I live in small town WV and the line at our Krogers was 20 deep in each line. I also heard our walmart will be pulling everything from the shelves and shipping it all them back. Not sure if this is just a BS rumor or they plan on closing up shop and cleaning the shelve so looters some up empty handed. Or just shutting shop since things are starting to get crazy? Anyone here anything similar? Edit: Someone talked to a manager and they said they plan on staying open.

When I got up today the water was a dirty piss color so I tried to get a thing of bottled water at Krogers. Of course they had none. I normally filter my water so this sucks since a case of bottled water would have got me by until the water cleared up. Funny thing is I don't even see a boil water alert for my town.

 

[Red Squirrel]

This is at least the second time you have posted in this thread with the fundamental misconception that viruses can multiply away from the cells of a living being.

So why are they telling people to sanitize surfaces, block their coughs etc? If it could not spread outside of cells then it would not spread at all since the minute it leaves your body (coughing etc) it would no longer be contagious.

Coronavirus can live on common surfaces for nine days - how to kill it

When a new pathogen wreaks havoc on the planet, scientists from across the globe race to understand how it behaves and spreads. Now, scientists have found that the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) can survive on metal, plastic, and glass for as long as nine days.

www.news-medical.net

There are probably factors that can alter this time. Certain lab equipment like incubators for example can keep them alive for much longer for research purposes. Those conditions could technically happen outside of a lab.

What will be interesting is to see if it can be carried via insects such as mosquitoes once those start coming out. If it turns out it can, summer might be quite a doosey this year.

 

[SKORPI0]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1239056122959983

 

[Ichinisan]

So why are they telling people to sanitize surfaces, block their coughs etc? If it could not spread outside of cells then it would not spread at all since the minute it leaves your body (coughing etc) it would no longer be contagious.

"Multiplying" or "reproducing" only occurs within living cells.

The mechanisms of our cells make the new viruses. The viruses have no ability to reproduce.

They also can't really be "alive" as they can't eat, can't produce waste, and can't replicate on their own. Rather than "alive," they are really just "viable to infect target cells"

Hygiene is meant to stop the spread of viable viruses. It has nothing to do with them replicating outside the body. They emerge from the body (typically in droplets of mucous and saliva) and end up on surfaces where humans interact.

I mean, this is really basic stuff. It feels odd to explain this to an adult.

 

[aigomorla]

Just in case you guys and gal(s) need to make DIY hand sanitize lotion or spray.

This is from Wired so I feel better than other links - https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-...e2f498-70ba-491b-b435-2c33afb42ebe_popular4-1

problem is the things to make DIY is all sold out as well.

 

[Red Squirrel]

"Multiplying" or "reproducing" only occurs within living cells.

The mechanisms of own cells make the new viruses. The viruses have no ability to reproduce.

They also can't really be "alive" as they can't eat, can't produce waste, and can't replicate on their own. Rather than "alive," they are really just "viable to infect target cells"

Hygiene is meant to stop the spread of viable viruses. It has nothing to do with them replicating outside the body. They emerge from the body (typically in droplets of mucous and saliva) and end up on surfaces where humans interact.

I mean, this is really basic stuff. It feels odd to explain this to an adult.

No need to be so insulting. I'm not a biologist. I just figured they could spread and/or replicate anywhere like any other type of "bug" be it germs or bacteria or insects or whatever. Either way it still stands that they can survive on surfaces and it's still a risk to touch those surfaces.

 

[WelshBloke]

The 70s called and want you to stop insulting it.

Still pretty accurate though!

 

[Mai72]

I was talking to the guy upstairs. Ia sked him why this?

Nothing.

 

[CZroe]

I live in small town WV and the line at our Krogers was 20 deep in each line. I also heard our walmart will be pulling everything from the shelves and shipping it all them back. Not sure if this is just a BS rumor or they plan on closing up shop and cleaning the shelve so looters some up empty handed. Or just shutting shop since things are starting to get crazy? Anyone here anything similar?

When I got up today the water was a dirty piss color so I tried to get a thing of bottled water at Krogers. Of course they had none. I normally filter my water so this sucks since a case of bottled water would have got me by until the water cleared up. Funny thing is I don't even see a boil water alert for my town.

That can happen just from a momentary loss of water pressure since sediments in the pipe will be disturbed from reverse flow.

Anyway, the well water in WV I'm familiar with is always a little muddy and tastes like pennies. Yuck! It's around the Bluefield/Princeton area.

 

[Ichinisan]

No need to be so insulting.

Evidently someone needed to tell you bluntly.

I'm not a biologist.

I cannot emphasize this enough: This is really basic stuff. Stuff everyone should already know, regardless of whether-or-not they are biologists.

Don't spread hysterical notions about viruses replicating inside packages at certain temperatures.

I just figured they could spread and/or replicate anywhere like any other type of "bug" be it germs or bacteria or insects or whatever.

I don't understand how an adult doesn't know the distinction between viruses and other microbes.

Either way it still stands that they can survive on surfaces and it's still a risk to touch those surfaces.

Yes. Understanding what you're doing and why is also important.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

"Multiplying" or "reproducing" only occurs within living cells.

The mechanisms of our cells make the new viruses. The viruses have no ability to reproduce.

They also can't really be "alive" as they can't eat, can't produce waste, and can't replicate on their own. Rather than "alive," they are really just "viable to infect target cells"

Hygiene is meant to stop the spread of viable viruses. It has nothing to do with them replicating outside the body. They emerge from the body (typically in droplets of mucous and saliva) and end up on surfaces where humans interact.

I mean, this is really basic stuff. It feels odd to explain this to an adult.

Hahahaha I'm no science major either - when I went through those basics in both HS/College I was like "Yeap, nope, fuck this shit. Not for me"

Either way, do appreciate the explanations to us 5th grader equivalents.

 

[pmv]

I mean, this is really basic stuff. It feels odd to explain this to an adult.

I hate how geek types can be so patronising. It's quite embarrassing.

Not everyone has a high-level formal education in every discipline. Perhaps you need to educate yourself about the world you live in? You seem quite ignorant about it.

 

[balloonshark]

That can happen just from a momentary loss of water pressure since sediments in the pipe will be disturbed from reverse flow.

Anyway, the well water in WV I'm familiar with is always a little muddy and tastes like pennies. Yuck! It's around the Bluefield/Princeton area.

Treated city water here but I had a friend who had well water that tasted like iron and smelled bad. You had to let it set overnight for the iron to settle. It left horrible stains in the tub and sinks.

 

[CZroe]

So why are they telling people to sanitize surfaces, block their coughs etc? If it could not spread outside of cells then it would not spread at all since the minute it leaves your body (coughing etc) it would no longer be contagious.

Coronavirus can live on common surfaces for nine days - how to kill it

When a new pathogen wreaks havoc on the planet, scientists from across the globe race to understand how it behaves and spreads. Now, scientists have found that the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) can survive on metal, plastic, and glass for as long as nine days.

www.news-medical.net

There are probably factors that can alter this time. Certain lab equipment like incubators for example can keep them alive for much longer for research purposes. Those conditions could technically happen outside of a lab.

What will be interesting is to see if it can be carried via insects such as mosquitoes once those start coming out. If it turns out it can, summer might be quite a doosey this year.

Oh, it can spread outside cells. It can't reproduce outside host cells, which is why it needs a new host quickly when it gets transferred into droplets outside of the human body. It can't persist there.

No need to be so insulting. I'm not a biologist. I just figured they could spread and/or replicate anywhere like any other type of "bug" be it germs or bacteria or insects or whatever. Either way it still stands that they can survive on surfaces and it's still a risk to touch those surfaces.

He's trying to make you feel self-conscious enough that you will hesitate and maybe learn a few basics before giving/refusing advice.

It's true. A virus does not remain infectious/viable for long outside the host environment. That's why they often require the transfer of bodily fluids (STDs, blood transfusions, saliva, mucous, tears, etc) or an intermediary host to spread. Influenza and Coronaviruses are particularly contagious because the symptoms they cause (coughing/sneezing) eject them and allow them to float or sit in droplets made from the same fluids they were in while in their hosts. When those dry out or freeze or whatever it's typically game-over. Ebola is particularly contagious because it also makes you bleed, sweat, and leave fecal fluids everywhere.

 

[CZroe]

I hate how geek types can be so patronising. It's quite embarrassing.

Not everyone has a high-level formal education in every discipline. Perhaps you need to educate yourself about the world you live in? You seem quite ignorant about it.

He really did learn that in 5th or 6th grade. I was there. Soon after that we were home schooled. Didn't you ever wonder/care what the difference was between bacteria and viruses? Didn't you think it was cool to learn that viruses aren't technically alive? They're like little keys that float around and start your cell machinery with the wrong input.

Be curious.

Treated city water here but I had a friend who had well water that tasted like iron and smelled bad. You had to let it set overnight for the iron to settle. It left horrible stains in the tub and sinks.

Yeah, man. My older brother's place has a slick of copper-colored minerals staining the drip area of every sink. Your skin feels clad with clay or something after a shower and there are little spots of crusty crystals everywhere in the shower.

As I recall, the nearby city water tasted terrible and left white-ish minerals behind when evaporated... probably whatever was used to neutralize the metals. Bottled water is definitely the way to go there.

 

[local]

Big K
Stop'n'Go
Buy-N-Large (from Wall-e)
Bannanna Republic
Champion Sports
Dick's Sporting Goods
Blimpie
...

 

[killster1]

Oh, it can spread outside cells. It can't reproduce outside host cells, which is why it needs a new host quickly when it gets transferred into droplets outside of the human body. It can't persist there.



He's trying to make you feel self-conscious enough that you will hesitate and maybe learn a few basics before giving/refusing advice.

It's true. A virus does not remain infectious/viable for long outside the host environment. That's why they often require the transfer of bodily fluids (STDs, blood transfusions, saliva, mucous, tears, etc) or an intermediary host to spread. Influenza and Coronaviruses are particularly contagious because the symptoms they cause (coughing/sneezing) eject them and allow them to float or sit in droplets made from the same fluids they were in while in their hosts. When those dry out or freeze or whatever it's typically game-over.

HIV in blood from something like a cut or nosebleed can be active for several days, even in dried blood. Maybe even 5-6 days, they just dont go away when its dried up. but i really wasnt paying attention and red squril seems like they are pranking us too.. they said insects when comparing the virus? yes it multiplies prob crawls to new surfaces too! beware might crawl right in your mouth while you sleep!!!!!!!! EEEK

 

[Svnla]

Brawls (yes, plural...real fights with stabbings...not girly slappings and hair pullings) at Costco and Sam's Club amid shopping tensions - https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/brawls-sams-club-costco-coronavirus-outbreak-tensions

And here we go........... and it is not even half way of first quarter yet.

 

[CZroe]

Here is how different strains of related viruses have sex:

What about rats or other animals that might find their way in there (dead or alive)? Or just organic stuff (like blood etc). Or even just water. There are certain things in just water that can make you sick like legionaries disease etc. So what's to say this virus can't also do the same? Or has it specifically been tested not to?

Bottom line is it's better to be safe really.

Well, don't order live Horseshoe Bats or Pangolins from Uber Eats[Wet] and I think you'll be alright.

They need a living host to survive for long. They're literally just bits of DNA/RNA strings wrapped in a few chemically-reactive proteins... floating around, ready to misfire with whatever random stuff bumps into them.

If you want to be better safe than sorry, just don't open it right away or toss the packaging and sanitize your hands ASAP. After it crosses the ocean you should literally be more worried about the local carrier contaminating it than the Chinese shipper.

 

[killster1]

problem is the things to make DIY is all sold out as well.

isopropyl alcohol isnt sold out that i could see. ill have to recheck but i saw it for sale on amazon yesterday.