NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Mai72]

Insanity aside the idea that Bill Gates cares where random Americans might be is a pretty amazing self important delusion.

Yea.. Imagine telling the nerdy Bill Gates of the 1990s that people in the year 2020 are going to come up with conspiracy theories on how he is going to depopulate the world via a vacinne that he developed.

 

[K1052]

I also wonder if it has dawned on these people that coronavirus vaccinations are likely going to be required to do so many things.

Send kids to school, go on a cruise, enter a foreign country, go inside almost any medical facility, work for the government at any level, etc.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I also wonder if it has dawned on these people that coronavirus vaccinations are likely going to be required to do so many things.

Send kids to school, go on a cruise, enter a foreign country, go inside almost any medical facility, work for the government at any level, etc.

You think they care? These are the same fucking idiots that got religious, then bullshit medical exemptions to keep their kids from getting vaccines, and are now going apeshit and trying to get medical exemptions for wearing masks.

This plays right into their fucked mentality too, as see the government is oppressing them!

 

[darkswordsman17]

Saw a business here with a sign "Latinos for Turmp" that had a big "if you're sick don't come in!" sign in their door. Think it was a barbershop.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Not something I expected, capitalism to the rescue. It's a very good sign that all these giant retailers are saying wear a mask in here or stay out.

I hope they beefed up security, or more likely they're just not going to give a fuck and half the stores won't actually enforce the policy and corporate won't do anything about it especially if there wasn't a government mandate.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I brought up a possible vaccine and the people I talked to all said that they weren't going to take the Bill Gates vaccine.

sigh...

To be fair I like to give anything coming from Bill Gates a couple years before I use it, so all the bugs are ironed out.

Seriously though I will trust his vaccine well over the Chinese vaccine Trudeau is so keen on making available here.

 

[H T C]

Licensing is already happening and is the only real way to get this done at the scale required. Oxford/AZ has licensed to the Serum Institute of India and Brazil for starters.

While that's a step in the right direction, it's too small a step, IMO: the scale needs to be way WAY bigger with not just one or 2 countries but rather, @ the bare minimum, several dozens of countries.

 

[K1052]

While that's a step in the right direction, it's too small a step, IMO: the scale needs to be way WAY bigger with not just one or 2 countries but rather, @ the bare minimum, several dozens of countries.

IIRC Serum Institute of India makes the vast majority of the vaccine doses used in the entire world. They'll likely supply billions of doses if efficacy is confirmed.

 

[Ichinisan]

While that's a step in the right direction, it's too small a step, IMO: the scale needs to be way WAY bigger with not just one or 2 countries but rather, @ the bare minimum, several dozens of countries.

I'm pretty sure it will be. They are probably building new production facilities in strategic locations right now (if they're smart).

 

[H T C]

IIRC Serum Institute of India makes the vast majority of the vaccine doses used in the entire world. They'll likely supply billions of doses if efficacy is confirmed.

And that right there is what i'm getting @: a single country manufacturing "the vast majority" of the vaccine doses is GROSSLY INEFFICIENT, compared to dozens of countries manufacturing it @ the same time: the goal here is to inoculate the World as fast as possible so that the World's economies stop "bleeding" so much money every single day.

I'm pretty sure it will be. They are probably building new production facilities in strategic locations right now (if they're smart).

If they're smart, they'll do both @ the same time.

 

[K1052]

And that right there is what i'm getting @: a single country manufacturing "the vast majority" of the vaccine doses is GROSSLY INEFFICIENT, compared to dozens of countries manufacturing it @ the same time: the goal here is to inoculate the World as fast as possible so that the World's economies stop "bleeding" so much money every single day.

The Oxford/AZ vaccine will be made at scale on at least 4 different continents so far.

 

[pmv]

Apparently Trump's virus briefings have been such a smash hit, that the pandemic has been renewed for another season!

 

[thestrangebrew1]

The Oxford/AZ vaccine will be made at scale on at least 4 different continents so far.

What would distribution of the vaccine look like? Essential workers on the front lines first I'd assume, but then what? Just distribute it to all clinics/hospitals/providers as well as the Walgreen/CVS type of facilities?

 

[K1052]

What would distribution of the vaccine look like? Essential workers on the front lines first I'd assume, but then what? Just distribute it to all clinics/hospitals/providers as well as the Walgreen/CVS type of facilities?

This is the question that countries are starting to grapple with since it looks like one or more of these will make it across the finish line. Essential workers, certainly anyone in a medical facility/nursing home/doctors office etc, are going to be first. After that they have to come up with a plan. I think NIH has convened a panel to figure that part out for the US. At a certain point a vaccine lottery may be required since you're going to run out of easy calls to make.

 

[Muse]

I also wonder if it has dawned on these people that coronavirus vaccinations are likely going to be required to do so many things.

Send kids to school, go on a cruise, enter a foreign country, go inside almost any medical facility, work for the government at any level, etc.

People will be salivating to get them. I should be a priority for one. I'm hoping by January.

Apparently Trump's virus briefings have been such a smash hit, that the pandemic has been renewed for another season!

Everybody knows he doesn't know WTF he's talking about. Just a propaganda machine. That is anyone with any credibility.

What would distribution of the vaccine look like? Essential workers on the front lines first I'd assume, but then what? Just distribute it to all clinics/hospitals/providers as well as the Walgreen/CVS type of facilities?

At risk people, and if you include front line workers in that category, that's who gets the first ones.

AstraZeneca is ramping up production right now, even as they're testing.

 

[Muse]

Lol people in my city protesting the new mask rules. Masks will now be required in indoor public environments.

Aha, so you have a lot of really really dumb people in Canada too! My body my choice! Well, their bodies are weapons in a pandemic of a highly contagious severe disease. If they think they can't be restricted they have another thing coming. They're another form of suicide bomber.

 

[H T C]

This is the question that countries are starting to grapple with since it looks like one or more of these will make it across the finish line. Essential workers, certainly anyone in a medical facility/nursing home/doctors office etc, are going to be first. After that they have to come up with a plan. I think NIH has convened a panel to figure that part out for the US. At a certain point a vaccine lottery may be required since you're going to run out of easy calls to make.

The vaccine should be free.

Why? Because the cost of the delay in giving the vaccine (the "bleeding" economies face each day) will far outweigh the potential cost of the vaccine, which is why it should be free: the sooner Governments realize this, the better.

Obviously, and like you said, we should prioritizing those "on the front lines" and having them get the vaccine 1st, after which, the more vulnerable to the virus effects (elderly, those with diabetes, etc) and then the rest of the public.

So long as there are dozens of manufacturing plants around the World producing the vaccine, it's availability beyond the 1st few days, shouldn't be a problem, IMO.

 

[Muse]

I'm seriously considering going to Richmond, CA Costco Thursday morning 8-9PM when they have 60+ hour. They require masks, but don't know if they enforce... I have a feeling they do, well, at least not letting you in if you're not wearing one. After all, there's no entry without a membership card. If I don't like what's going on, I can leave, not even buying anything. That's exactly what I did on March 12, things were starting to heat up (it was SIP starting March 16). The checkout lines were 50-70+ feet long and people standing right next to each other... I just walked out empty handed (I only had one item, it was hard to find the things I really wanted, panic was setting in). Now, I'm told, they have spots marked on the floor where you're supposed to stand. If I go, it will be my first time indoors with anyone since March! I'll wear an N95 if I go, maybe a face shield and gloves. If people are talking, I figure to go in the other direction! I may not go. The case/day rate is around 3x what it was a month ago and the positivity rate around here is probably 6-7%.

 

[K1052]

The vaccine should be free.

Why? Because the cost of the delay in giving the vaccine (the "bleeding" economies face each day) will far outweigh the potential cost of the vaccine per dosage, which is why it should be free: the sooner Governments realize this, the better.

Obviously, and like you said, we should prioritizing those "on the front lines" and having them get the vaccine 1st, after which, the more vulnerable to the virus effects (elderly, those with diabetes, etc) and then the rest of the public.

So long as there are dozens of manufacturing plants around the World producing the vaccine, it's availability beyond the 1st few days, shouldn't be a problem, IMO.

When I refer to a vaccine lottery I'm not talking about payment. I agree the vaccine should be provided at no cost by the government to the entire population. There are going to be physical limitations on how many people you can realistically inject and the supplies/manpower to administer hundreds of millions of injections over a period of time. Supply bottlenecks on the finish-fill end and with syringes look probable. We're likely talking in the neighborhood of at least 500M injections all in since any vaccine is very likely going to be two jabs 28 days apart. The logistics are challenging.

 

[H T C]

When I refer to a vaccine lottery I'm not talking about payment. I agree the vaccine should be provided at no cost by the government to the entire population. There are going to be physical limitations on how many people you can realistically inject and the supplies/manpower to administer hundreds of millions of injections over a period of time. Supply bottlenecks on the finish-fill end and with syringes look probable. We're likely talking in the neighborhood of at least 500M injections all in since any vaccine is very likely going to be two jabs 28 days apart. The logistics are challenging.

Which is why we should prepare for it as soon as possible, without waiting for the vaccine to be discovered.

Agree with everything else you said.

 

[K1052]

Which is why we should prepare for it as soon as possible, without waiting for the vaccine to be discovered.

Agree with everything else you said.

The administration claims they are preparing for this. Given their handling so far of the crisis I would not put a lot of stock into that. It is entirely possible we end up with a viable vaccine and relatively little ability to get it into people quickly because of mismanagement.

 

[Muse]

Which is why we should prepare for it as soon as possible, without waiting for the vaccine to be discovered.

Agree with everything else you said.

It's not a discovery process. We're designing these vaccines.

There's a pretty good chance that the vaccine(s) that come on line and bring this thing under control have already been developed. There may be tweaks, further developments, a different vaccine in say 3 years, but right now there are something like 200 vaccines in various stages of development and testing. The weapon has been developed. It needs testing, production, distribution. It's quite an exceptional moment in human/medical history.

 

[K1052]

Pfizer/BioNTech RNA vaccine purchased by HHS/DOD. Follows purchases from AstraZeneca and Moderna. US now owns doses of all three non-Chinese vaccines going to phase 3 this summer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1285897017252892672

 

[Muse]

This is an exceptionally intelligent, sensitive treatment of issues involving our current predicament that I think most here can well appreciate:

Mask-Shaming Won’t Work. Try These 5 Things Instead

Empathy can go a long way when it comes to public health messages.

www.yesmagazine.org

 

[Artorias]

This is an exceptionally intelligent, sensitive treatment of issues involving our current predicament that I think most here can well appreciate:

Mask-Shaming Won’t Work. Try These 5 Things Instead

Empathy can go a long way when it comes to public health messages.

www.yesmagazine.org

Can we add "Stop spreading the Karen meme" to the list? Its honestly getting quite ridiculous at this point. Just stop using the name as a scapegoat already.