Netanyahu: No Palestinian State If I’m Re-Elected

[JEDIYoda]

How many children and women and markets has Israel destroyed in all the Palestinian wars? In fact what has been the casualties on each side?

There has never been a war fought that had no civilian casualties!
How to fight an enemy that hides in the homes and businesses of the people they are sworn to protect?

 

[JEDIYoda]

There has never been a rocket fired into Israel from the West Bank. Ever.

Not true...so sorry.....

 

[rudeguy]

Not true...so sorry.....

The Shill Talking Points Memo said so, so it must be true.

 

[fskimospy]

The Shill Talking Points Memo said so, so it must be true.

Ooh, who am I shilling for now?

 

[emperus]

It sure seemed that Hamas brought the wrath upon themselves; lobbing rockets by the hundreds against Israel; breaking international rules of lay by firing from civilian locations. Hiding among civilians for protection; hoping that Israel will give them a pass.

Everytime Israel gives them a pass; Hamas takes advantage of such.
Hamas wants a state of war with Israel; just like Hezbollah does.

Tunneling into another country becomes an act of war; a country has the right to react.

Launching munitions into another country; the country has a right/obligation to react to defend itself.

One could play tit for tat and state the Hamas was defending itself from Israel; how far back should one play that game.

Peace treaties are being broken when they are made with Israel; but those in charge pass the blame onto others; even though the other groups within Gaza and the West Bank operate with the full approval/support/acceptance of the leadership.

Israel goes after those that killed Palestinians on the West Bank; Hamas and Fatah praise those that killed the teenagers that triggered the recent conflict.
when Israel went after those that were responsible; Hamas then increased the frequency of rocket launches to the point that Israel responded.

Hamas brought the causalities upon the people of Gaza. They prolonged the conflict and obtained nothing from it beyond that what was originally offered by Israel.

I don't want to argue facts that can be easily googled and/or debate propaganda. If you were truly interested in the facts of what happened the last conflict you would have googled the facts and still wouldn't be saying things like..

when Israel went after those that were responsible; Hamas then increased the frequency of rocket launches to the point that Israel responded.

..when in fact that's not what happened. I wish you were able to see the perspective of the Palestinians or think about how you would respond if you were occupied by a more militarily advanced wealthier nation.

 

[emperus]

There has never been a war fought that had no civilian casualties!
How to fight an enemy that hides in the homes and businesses of the people they are sworn to protect?

So when Israel kills 500 children, it's collateral damage. And when the Palestinians kill 1 child they are terrorists and monsters?

Gotcha.

 

[touchstone]

The Shill Talking Points Memo said so, so it must be true.

you get owned so hard in every thread, but you keep posting. eskimospy is so much smarter than you its not even funny, you should be thankful he even answers your idiotic posts. thank him, you might notice that i don't bother to answer your idiocy...

 

[touchstone]

Not true...so sorry.....

the synopsis of the typical pro-Israeli shill argument: 'nuh uh!'


if the world knew the true extent of israel's human rights abuses they would be bombed, invaded, occupied, and forced resolutions would be made to never have them exist or even show their flag again a la nazi germany. that is what israel's legacy will be once it is dismantled (i.e. the moment we, the americans, stop protecting them).

 

[rudeguy]

you get owned so hard in every thread, but you keep posting. eskimospy is so much smarter than you its not even funny, you should be thankful he even answers your idiotic posts. thank him, you might notice that i don't bother to answer your idiocy...

who are you?

I mean...who were you?

 

[CitizenKain]

The Shill Talking Points Memo said so, so it must be true.

Always funny that someone like you calls anyone a shill, when all you are capable of is repeating rightwing lies and bullshit.

 

[cabri]

I don't want to argue facts that can be easily googled and/or debate propaganda. If you were truly interested in the facts of what happened the last conflict you would have googled the facts and still wouldn't be saying things like..



..when in fact that's not what happened. I wish you were able to see the perspective of the Palestinians or think about how you would respond if you were occupied by a more militarily advanced wealthier nation.

Facts are subject to interpretation and can also be ignored when inconvenient.
I could google and find "facts" on the conflict from multiple biased sources.

I can also find propaganda from same.

The Palestinians brought this situation upon themselves and increased the "pain" multiple times. Lashing out at Israel may seem satisfying but it also reduces the tolerance that Israel will have toward fixing the issue.

Gaza is a perfect eample;
Hams gets a cease fire and promises to behave; they also demand that Israel open up all restrictions. Yet, in the process, Hamas still is trying to mis-use supplies/money for purposes not intended.

Then they complain when the restrictions go in place; they and the world ignoring what is being done what the hand was extended; it was essentially bitten.

Even now; Hamas is building new tunnels against Israel (by their own admission and showing them to journalists).

They are building new rockets and test firing.
Running adolescents through terror schools.

Stating that they are preparing for when, not if they will again go against Israel.

Resources are being used for war; not peace, prosperity and rebuilding.

Hamas does not want peace with Israel; they want conflict.
If Israel wanted conflict; they would roll back into Gaza.
If they wanted to eliminate Gaza; they could. They do not have to absorb Gaza.

Same goes with the West Bank to a lesser militant extent.

At present, with a new Israeli government, there will be a window of opportunity to try and make peace with the Palestinians, IF THEY DESIRE.

For the Palestinians to do so; they will have to reject Hamas and everything Hamas wants and/or stands for w/ respect to Israel.

They will have to allow conditions to ensure Israel's safety until they have proven that they can/will handle the security of their state.

They will have to accept that not all the settlements are going to be removed immediately.

They will have to realize that they will not have control over all of Jerusalem.

Israel has the upper hand and the Palestinians are going to have to accept less than what they want at the present time and show that they are mature enough to then ask for more. They have wasted 70 years (30 as a step child); they may have to wait another 30-40 to get there.

Demanding all will again get them nothing; because from Israel standpoint; they have not shown that they are responsible enough to manage. 70 years ago; the world also felt that way.

The Palestinians have pissed off Jordan and Egypt which has hurt them; forcing them to be dependent on Israeli generosity and handouts from the world.

 

[cabri]

the synopsis of the typical pro-Israeli shill argument: 'nuh uh!'


if the world knew the true extent of israel's human rights abuses they would be bombed, invaded, occupied, and forced resolutions would be made to never have them exist or even show their flag again a la nazi germany. that is what israel's legacy will be once it is dismantled (i.e. the moment we, the americans, stop protecting them).

Yet what the Palestinians do is ignored.

Israel has done what is needed to survive; surrounded by hostile forces determined on destruction.

Then being asked to accommodate and enemy from within and provide the ability for the enemy to again attack.

 

[theeedude]

Playing on racism too.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4638010,00.html

Netanyahu's Likud party sent out message warning Israelis of 'threat' of a high voter turnout among Israel's Arab population in bid to shore up hardliner right wing votes;

Bibi pulling out all the stops.

 

[inachu]

let's pretend no such thing as jews and Palestinians grow and populate and like all humans we migrate and grow and then want to move back to our roots.

Those returning with blonde hair and blue eyes claim to be real Palestinians even though by genetics their purity is by .00000000000021% Palestinian.

Should they be treated as Palestinians even though they no longer look like a regular muslim? If you say no then it is the same logic with the modern non sheperdic jews.

How dare you call yourself a jew when the genetics prove you are majority european and no longer a jew. That is what a real jew does. They go by blood. If you are not by blood a jew then you are not a jew at all.

To claim you are a jew is kinda like calling paper REAL PAPER. But it was cut so thin that only 1 micron of the sheet is left so that you can no longer even see it.
Sorry but that is no longer paper! Shlomo was 100% right.

 

[inachu]

Todays PRO JEW arguments are no longer valid. The genetics even prove they are no longer really a jew.

Only Shepardics should be in the Israeli govt. All pink/olive skins should move back to europe.

Crude views such as yours in this post are simply not welcome here.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[fskimospy]

Todays PRO JEW arguments are no longer valid. The genetics even prove they are no longer really a jew.

Only Shepardics should be in the Israeli govt. All pink/olive skins should move back to europe.

Please stop. You're making other people who oppose Israel on the settlements/Palestine issue look bad.

 

[touchstone]

Yet what the Palestinians do is ignored.

Israel has done what is needed to survive; surrounded by hostile forces determined on destruction.

Then being asked to accommodate and enemy from within and provide the ability for the enemy to again attack.

the israelis invaded, took over, booted out the original inhabitants... now those original inhabitants are 'the enemy' because they want to be able to not have their homes bulldozed and their children shot and bombed. typical israeli shill logic


what israel needs to do to survive is cease being a racist apartheid state or cease to exist. i hope for the latter. the country is so steeped in the blood and racism and violence that it really needs to just be demolished. maybe the jews can be integrated, as they were before, into the new palestine



it is sad that typical stupid americans like you are so brainwashed by conservative media to love israel, but it certainly fits with the gop's current pro-racism and pro-war philosophy. do you like the idea of netanyahu using our children to fight proxy wars? i dont, and i think you are a traitor if you are a citizen of this country and support netanyahu. he blatantly wants to get us into a war with iran which would kill tens of thousands of americans but he has no intention of sending one single israeli jew to fight that battle. if you arent israeli you are a plain stupid traitor

 

[rudeguy]

Please stop. You're making other people who oppose Israel on the settlements/Palestine issue look bad.

I hate agreeing with you but I 100% do. You are at least entertaining to debate and argue with and your posts are generally informed. His posts....his posts are like his cat threw up on a keyboard and it made words.

 

[touchstone]

Todays PRO JEW arguments are no longer valid. The genetics even prove they are no longer really a jew.

Only Shepardics should be in the Israeli govt. All pink/olive skins should move back to europe.

why are you still on this forum? you are a racist asshole

 

[emperus]

Facts are subject to interpretation and can also be ignored when inconvenient.
I could google and find "facts" on the conflict from multiple biased sources.

I can also find propaganda from same.

The Palestinians brought this situation upon themselves and increased the "pain" multiple times. Lashing out at Israel may seem satisfying but it also reduces the tolerance that Israel will have toward fixing the issue.

Gaza is a perfect eample;
Hams gets a cease fire and promises to behave; they also demand that Israel open up all restrictions. Yet, in the process, Hamas still is trying to mis-use supplies/money for purposes not intended.

Then they complain when the restrictions go in place; they and the world ignoring what is being done what the hand was extended; it was essentially bitten.

Even now; Hamas is building new tunnels against Israel (by their own admission and showing them to journalists).

They are building new rockets and test firing.
Running adolescents through terror schools.

Stating that they are preparing for when, not if they will again go against Israel.

Resources are being used for war; not peace, prosperity and rebuilding.

Hamas does not want peace with Israel; they want conflict.
If Israel wanted conflict; they would roll back into Gaza.
If they wanted to eliminate Gaza; they could. They do not have to absorb Gaza.

Same goes with the West Bank to a lesser militant extent.

At present, with a new Israeli government, there will be a window of opportunity to try and make peace with the Palestinians, IF THEY DESIRE.

For the Palestinians to do so; they will have to reject Hamas and everything Hamas wants and/or stands for w/ respect to Israel.

They will have to allow conditions to ensure Israel's safety until they have proven that they can/will handle the security of their state.

They will have to accept that not all the settlements are going to be removed immediately.

They will have to realize that they will not have control over all of Jerusalem.

Israel has the upper hand and the Palestinians are going to have to accept less than what they want at the present time and show that they are mature enough to then ask for more. They have wasted 70 years (30 as a step child); they may have to wait another 30-40 to get there.

Demanding all will again get them nothing; because from Israel standpoint; they have not shown that they are responsible enough to manage. 70 years ago; the world also felt that way.

The Palestinians have pissed off Jordan and Egypt which has hurt them; forcing them to be dependent on Israeli generosity and handouts from the world.

Facts do require interpretation, but the facts surrounding the missing children have a fact base that most on both sides have accepted. But, I'm one of those that doesn't appreciate being propagandized by anyone, even more so my own country.

 

[fskimospy]

I hate agreeing with you but I 100% do. You are at least entertaining to debate and argue with and your posts are generally informed. His posts....his posts are like his cat threw up on a keyboard and it made words.

Well thank you!

People like him are their own worst enemy. There are plenty of anti-semites who are against Israeli policies, but there are a lot more people who just genuinely oppose them. The anti-semites tar everyone who shares their overall policy position. Ironically, I'm sure that Netanyahu would like nothing better than for the opposition to his policies to be put forth in language like that.

It's like spidey07 with any issue regarding black people. Racists like him make everyone who might agree with him look bad.

 

[cabri]

the israelis invaded, took over, booted out the original inhabitants... now those original inhabitants are 'the enemy' because they want to be able to not have their homes bulldozed and their children shot and bombed. typical israeli shill logic


what israel needs to do to survive is cease being a racist apartheid state or cease to exist. i hope for the latter. the country is so steeped in the blood and racism and violence that it really needs to just be demolished. maybe the jews can be integrated, as they were before, into the new palestine



it is sad that typical stupid americans like you are so brainwashed by conservative media to love israel, but it certainly fits with the gop's current pro-racism and pro-war philosophy. do you like the idea of netanyahu using our children to fight proxy wars? i dont, and i think you are a traitor if you are a citizen of this country and support netanyahu. he blatantly wants to get us into a war with iran which would kill tens of thousands of americans but he has no intention of sending one single israeli jew to fight that battle. if you arent israeli you are a plain stupid traitor

Invaded?

Land was being purchased also; being sold by absentee Arab landlords.
The UN decided how to split up the left overs from the Ottoman empire.

Israel was granted statehood by the UN. The Arabs did not want there to be a Palestine state for the Arabs.
Did you see them invading Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria that day?
They lost ground; re-organized and pushed the INVADERS back along with the supporters from within. They were fighting for their lives and survived.

Since then they have been attacked multiple times both from within and without. Those that have opposed them have been supported by other non-Arab nations also

 

[touchstone]

Invaded?

Land was being purchased also; being sold by absentee Arab landlords.
The UN decided how to split up the left overs from the Ottoman empire.

Israel was granted statehood by the UN. The Arabs did not want there to be a Palestine state for the Arabs.
Did you see them invading Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria that day?
They lost ground; re-organized and pushed the INVADERS back along with the supporters from within. They were fighting for their lives and survived.

Since then they have been attacked multiple times both from within and without. Those that have opposed them have been supported by other non-Arab nations also

maybe 'invaded' is the wrong word but the israelis who won the 48' war were not there, for the most part, 20 years before. they immigrated in huge waves following the 'zionist' movement which advocated taking the land from its rightful owners. that may not be invasion technically, but it is invasion practically


there were jews in paelistine before it was called israel, but they were vastly outnumbered by palestinians and would have quickly lost any battle against them. it wasnt until european jews started arriving by the tens of thousands along with money and weapons, which vastly exceeding what the palestinians had, were all arriving in palestine that they even had a chance of success. read the history books

then you go on to claim that they were 'attacked', lol, when in fact israel attacked and invaded every single one of its neighbors shortly after it came into existence. the country has no friends besides the united states for very very good reasons, it is a neo-fascist pseudotheocratic state that operates by oppressing and conquering its neighbors and its own people, assuming they arent of the preferred race. it is a monstrosity

 

[FrankRamiro]

Why is America in bed with Israel? Is it because people want Israel to exist for their religion? It always seems like Israel causes much of the pain over there, but then appeals for aid as the victim. I really don't care what they do, but I'm not clear on why we are supporting one side over the other... why don't we keep out of it?

America is with Israel cause America fights terrorism, and Palestine is full of Terrorists:
you want to know what is a terrorist? a terrorist is a bunch of sick people that fight but hide between Innocent people and children,so they can attack people and not to be attacked,we call that cowards, bloody cowards,
like people that drug young children,wash their brains and send them as bombs to kill innocent people,they never get to the people that they think that cause harm to them, like Bush and others they kill at random, people that have no fault, what a bunch of losers.

 

[rudeguy]

America is with Israel cause America fights terrorism, and Palestine is full of Terrorists:

Yep.