Yeah he cast two meaningless symbolic conviction votes and somehow that's supposed to forgive (1) him being the worst kind of looter there is in America at Bain and (2) him trying to also steal away our Medicare. If he really cared he would have whipped conviction votes on January 6th and pressured the house to impeach right away to strike when the iron was hot.
So if this represents the median American voter can you explain why Democratic Party primary voters, the most left wing voting bloc in America, did not endorse him?
Really? Even the hard right state of Kansas is to the left of the democrats on abortion for example, voting to keep it legal when the democrats in DC never tried to make a federal law protecting it.
Is your argument that Democrats in DC think abortion should be illegal?
I wasn't really commenting on Bernie, but my best guess is that an enormous percentage of our population can be manipulated with the socialism bogeyman.
They support plenty of progressive policies. Some of them more than others, but even most of the establishment Democrats support several progressive policies.
Sure, but that works both ways. Mostly I think it’s a bias towards the status quo.
I think the median voter agrees with Bernie on a lot of issues if they don't know they're agreeing with Bernie. I bet the question "do you think taxes should be raised on billionaires" would garner 70% support or more while the question "do you agree with Bernie Sanders that taxes should be raised on billionaires" would struggle to beat 40%. I bet the gap is similar for just about any policy whether it be attributed to Bernie or just Democrats in general, or any other specific Democrat.
See that’s the thing - it is very easy to get people to agree with broad statements and very difficult to get them to agree with specific statements.
Meh back at you .... what you wrote has nothing to do with what you quoted me on. I never suggested Romney become a Democrat. Only caucus with them as an independent. And other things he could do to fuck the Republican party that he claims in his book is horrible. I also suggested he will NOT do any of these things due to cowardice and money.
Might as well hope he goes left of Bernie, equal odds there. Romney is all talk. When votes actually matter he's fine with all the GOP's bullshit like stealing Garland's seat because you can't nominate someone in an election year and then confirming Barrett weeks before the next presidential election. Romney is a hard right wing piece of shit and his beef with the GOP is the culture war that makes it more difficult to get his hard right economic agenda passed. He's not a coward, he's a sociopath.
There was nothing specific about either of my hypothetical questions other that attaching a name or a party name.
Sure - but people often delude themselves into thinking that America secretly agrees with them but they are thwarted by the other side’s nefarious messaging or whatever.
Are you insinuating that being left or liberal isn't radioactive to the average voter? I mean poll after poll shows that Americans are very progressive when they don't know they are being progressive.
I’m saying if you ran a national campaign with Sanders’ exact policy positions you would lose.
But is that because the policies are unpopular or because so many people assume anything progressives support is evil? When you ask conservatives or "independents" why they don't support specific bills the Democrats put forth, the reasons they give are almost universally because they believe the bills do things that the bill doesn't do.
I'm sure that's true for a lot of people, but just as many or more think the government should do nothing, or worse, nothing but kill brown people at home and abroad.
I think we should be pretty wary of the idea that everyone secretly agrees with us but are tricked into believing otherwise.
I don't think it's a secret. I've seen a lot of polls over the last few years showing that Americans strongly support a lot of progressive policies. You say they disagree with the specifics, I say most of those specifics aren't even true.
So why do these policies not win at the polls? The essential argument is that people believe one thing but vote for another. I don’t believe that.
Because voting for Democrats is toxic. Even if they are pushing things that sound nice there MUST be something sinister buried within because they are Democrats and Democrats are evil. My grandfather taught me that and his grandfather before him 1000 generations back. You're not calling my grandfather a liar are you? Who speaks ill of the dead?
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