Mitt Romney - One Of Only A Few Honorable Republicans

[SteveGrabowski]

Well if your idea is that changing Medicare to make it into a private market premium support plan instead of a government run plan makes someone irredeemably evil that’s your business, but I think that idea is insane.

It absolutely does make him irredeemably evil to kill old people by getting rid of the only functional healthcare system the population has in the name of letting middlemen skim even more money from Americans. But like I said above, reading this thread I absolutely can see how liberals voted for Reagan when they want to sing the praises of a vulture like Romney.

 

[fskimospy]

It absolutely does make him irredeemably evil to kill old people by getting rid of the only functional healthcare system the population has in the name of letting middlemen skim even more money from Americans. But like I said above, reading this thread I absolutely can see how liberals voted for Reagan when they want to sing the praises of a vulture like Romney.

So since Romney has captured me with his siren song why didn’t I vote for him?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It absolutely does make him irredeemably evil to kill old people by getting rid of the only functional healthcare system the population has in the name of letting middlemen skim even more money from Americans. But like I said above, reading this thread I absolutely can see how liberals voted for Reagan when they want to sing the praises of a vulture like Romney.

Dude, many of us were not old enough to vote for Reagan.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

So since Romney has captured me with his siren song why didn’t I vote for him?

It's kind of surprising honestly when you don't think it's evil to steal Medicare away from people.

 

[fskimospy]

It's kind of surprising honestly when you don't think it's evil to steal Medicare away from people.

To me it’s entirely unsurprising and I never even considered it. Does that make you reconsider your logic any?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It's kind of surprising honestly when you don't think it's evil to steal Medicare away from people.

Let go of this, he didn’t do it. He suggested it as a policy and it was rejected. As stated earlier you can disagree with the policies but agree the dude is honorable. If you can’t that’s fine.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Let go of this, he didn’t do it. He suggested it as a policy and it was rejected. As stated earlier you can disagree with the policies but agree the dude is honorable. If you can’t that’s fine.

He promised to do it if elected. It was the biggest part of his campaign. It was evil, hence why he made sure it wouldn't apply to his base by sending Ryan out there to explain that promises were made to people already 55+ and they could keep Medicare. Like they weren't made to me when I had been paying into Medicare 15+ years at the time, but I wasn't in his boomer base so fuck me.

I will never let that go. Any time someone tries to say good things about Romney I'll remind them he tried to steal Medicare away from us. He should never be normalized.

 

[dank69]

He promised to do it if elected. It was the biggest part of his campaign. It was evil, hence why he made sure it wouldn't apply to his base by sending Ryan out there to explain that promises were made to people already 55+ and they could keep Medicare. Like they weren't made to me when I had been paying into Medicare 15+ years at the time, but I wasn't in his boomer base so fuck me.

I will never let that go. Any time someone tries to say good things about Romney I'll remind them he tried to steal Medicare away from us. He should never be normalized.

I think those guys are confusing honorable with honesty. He doesn't seem to intentionally lie a lot.

 

[Muse]

If he was willing to put country before party he would have left the party a long time ago.

Steve Schmidt did. But he's never run for anything, AFAIK. He was a Republican political consultant, now indicts them with seemingly multiple YT videos daily.

My sense of Mitt is that he would never have been embraced by the Democratic Party if he switched parties and tried to run for Senate in Utah.

 

[fskimospy]

I think those guys are confusing honorable with honesty. He doesn't seem to intentionally lie a lot.

I’m not confusing anything.

 

[Sunburn74]

It's kind of surprising honestly when you don't think it's evil to steal Medicare away from people.

I don't think making medicare go away is bad. Its not sustainable. I don't however believe the GOP has offered a credible replacement for the plan which is cruel and totally unacceptable. But yeah, I don't expect medicare to survive the next 40 years at the rate things are going.

As for romney, no he was part of the problem and has never been part of the solution.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't think making medicare go away is bad. Its not sustainable. I don't however believe the GOP has offered a credible replacement for the plan which is cruel and totally unacceptable. But yeah, I don't expect medicare to survive the next 40 years at the rate things are going.

As for romney, no he was part of the problem and has never been part of the solution.

Why is Medicare unsustainable when it’s cheaper than all private insurance?

 

[dank69]

I’m not confusing anything.

Yet you didn't reply to my other response to you.

 

[dank69]

Steve Schmidt did. But he's never run for anything, AFAIK. He was a Republican political consultant, now indicts them with seemingly multiple YT videos daily.

My sense of Mitt is that he would never have been embraced by the Democratic Party if he switched parties and tried to run for Senate in Utah.

What you are saying here is that instead of putting party before country he was putting his career before country. Not honorable.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I don't think making medicare go away is bad. Its not sustainable. I don't however believe the GOP has offered a credible replacement for the plan which is cruel and totally unacceptable. But yeah, I don't expect medicare to survive the next 40 years at the rate things are going.

As for romney, no he was part of the problem and has never been part of the solution.

What's not sustainable is the private health care system that mines wealth from us and drives so many Americans into bankruptcy. The whole nation needs to be on Medicare but having to pay off rent-seeking middlemen who add no value and run off with our money is as American as apple pie and school shootings so I won't hold my breath on it happening.

 

[mikeymikec]

"Mitt Romney - One Of Only A Few Honorable Republicans" - what do you call 8 Nazis plus one who's been hanging around with them long enough to know what they're about? 9 Nazis.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

"Mitt Romney - One Of Only A Few Honorable Republicans" - what do you call 8 Nazis plus one who's been hanging around with them long enough to know what they're about? 9 Nazis.

Yeah... there were a few points I wanted to make a comment while reading this thread but I think your post summarizes more succinctly. Like there isn't some written rule that there has to be 'good' Nazis to compare bad Nazis to. Sometimes in life, the whole lot is bad. Anyone worth a shit bailed off the train years ago.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Wouldn't John Rabe be considered a good Nazi?

Just testing the boundaries of this theory...

 

[mikeymikec]

Wouldn't John Rabe be considered a good Nazi?

Just testing the boundaries of this theory...

I suppose when such a person risks their life to undermine the regime they claim/appear to be loyal to, probably in such a way that saves the lives of enemies of that regime, then I'd say they weren't really part of that regime.

After my previous post and before yours I was thinking in the opposite direction: When would a "respectable conservative" have resigned from the GQP. One problem I find with that line of thinking is the concept of a "respectable conservative", it becomes more of a question of how far will they choose to sink with the rest of the GQP.

 

[HomerJS]

"Mitt Romney - One Of Only A Few Honorable Republicans" - what do you call 8 Nazis plus one who's been hanging around with them long enough to know what they're about? 9 Nazis.

For Republicans - Knowingly attending a white nationalist event makes you a white nationalist.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I suppose when such a person risks their life to undermine the regime they claim/appear to be loyal to, probably in such a way that saves the lives of enemies of that regime, then I'd say they weren't really part of that regime.

After my previous post and before yours I was thinking in the opposite direction: When would a "respectable conservative" have resigned from the GQP. One problem I find with that line of thinking is the concept of a "respectable conservative", it becomes more of a question of how far will they choose to sink with the rest of the GQP.

- That feels kinda "No True Scottsman-ish"

Rabe was absolutely a Nazi and held anti-semitic views, but based on his letter to Hitler asking for intervention with the Japanese atrocities in China he appears to have held the position "Germans are the master race, but that means we have an obligation to uplift everyone else, not sit around letting them slaughter each other". At least that appears to be the argument he used in his letter.

When he returned to Nazi Germany he continued to advocate for the Chinese until he was arrested, centured, and finally shipped off to Afghanistan where he would be less of a nuisance.

Rabe always struck me as a good man adhering to a corrupt and broken ideology, like dirty cling wrap on a still good sandwich. He was both a Nazi, and fundamentally a good man.

 

[mikeymikec]

- That feels kinda "No True Scottsman-ish"

Rabe was absolutely a Nazi and held anti-semitic views, but based on his letter to Hitler asking for intervention with the Japanese atrocities in China he appears to have held the position "Germans are the master race, but that means we have an obligation to uplift everyone else, not sit around letting them slaughter each other". At least that appears to be the argument he used in his letter.

When he returned to Nazi Germany he continued to advocate for the Chinese until he was arrested, centured, and finally shipped off to Afghanistan where he would be less of a nuisance.

Rabe always struck me as a good man adhering to a corrupt and broken ideology, like dirty cling wrap on a still good sandwich. He was both a Nazi, and fundamentally a good man.

I don't know anything about the guy except a scan-read of wiki after you mentioned his name. Sounds like you have a fair point.

 

[hal2kilo]

It absolutely does make him irredeemably evil to kill old people by getting rid of the only functional healthcare system the population has in the name of letting middlemen skim even more money from Americans. But like I said above, reading this thread I absolutely can see how liberals voted for Reagan when they want to sing the praises of a vulture like Romney.

I was there, and it was stunning!

 

[Dave_5k]

I don't think making medicare go away is bad. Its not sustainable. I don't however believe the GOP has offered a credible replacement for the plan which is cruel and totally unacceptable. But yeah, I don't expect medicare to survive the next 40 years at the rate things are going.

As for romney, no he was part of the problem and has never been part of the solution.

Medicare isn't really the problem, the complete disaster is in the broader US "health care" system, top to bottom.

Overall, the US spends 2.5 times as much as the OECD average, and 2 times as much as the rest of the G-7 if you want to look at just the richest countries, for health care. While simultaneously providing fewer doctors and less hospital resources, and delivering substantially worse healthcare outcomes - in almost all categories (ultra expensive US cancer care being a notable outlier as above average on outcomes).

Problems abound in almost all areas - from too few doctors, to insane insurance costs (and litigation costs), to massive inefficient administrative overheads, extreme price gouging on drugs and medical devices, to extreme over-use of expensive procedures (and under-use of preventive care), just to name a few.

US excessive spend on healthcare results in basically a 10% drag on GDP away from productive economic uses, compounded every single year, compared to the rest of the world.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Mitt Romney as a disgruntled high school girl with a burn book .... Hmmm! He’s still an asshole vulture billionaire with some poisonous beliefs. But he seems to be showing some principles in the MAGA world his party has embraced. He should have done more while he was there. And, he still has got over a year before he leaves, so can he take meaningful action in that time. Will he? Sunlight is the best disinfectant and Romney knows this… but I’m not expecting a profile in courage from him.

From the article:

Perhaps Romney’s most surprising discovery upon entering the Senate was that his disgust with Trump was not unique among his Republican colleagues. “Almost without exception,” he told me, “they shared my view of the president.” In public, of course, they played their parts as Trump loyalists, often contorting themselves rhetorically to defend the president’s most indefensible behavior. But in private, they ridiculed his ignorance, rolled their eyes at his antics, and made incisive observations about his warped, toddlerlike psyche. Romney recalled one senior Republican senator frankly admitting, “He has none of the qualities you would want in a president, and all of the qualities you wouldn’t.”

Time for Romney to name names. Now ...If, as he is stating, a large number of the Republicans are actually TRULY in fear that the MAGA terrorists will inflict violence on their families, I can see why he may not want to name names. But it just paints a picture of defeatist despair.

He could really show he wants to do something about what he writes in this book. He could leave the GOP, declare himself an Independent, and caucus with the Democrats. Eliminating the ludicrous quasi-co-majority leadership situation currently prevailing in the Senate and it could have numerous benefits. He could also publicly endorse a non-MAGA candidate to replace him as Senator. Back a non-MAGA in the primaries, and if the MAGA gets nominated anyways, endorse whatever candidate the Dems put up.

He could do his best to torpedo the monster that the Republican party has turned into. He won’t though...