Mitt Romney - One Of Only A Few Honorable Republicans

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SteveGrabowski

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He could really show he wants to do something about what he writes in this book. He could leave the GOP, declare himself an Independent, and caucus with the Democrats. Eliminating the ludicrous quasi-co-majority leadership situation currently prevailing in the Senate and it could have numerous benefits. He could also publicly endorse a non-MAGA candidate to replace him as Senator. Back a non-MAGA in the primaries, and if the MAGA gets nominated anyways, endorse whatever candidate the Dems put up.

He could do his best to torpedo the monster that the Republican party has turned into. He won’t though...
Meh the only real difference between Romney and the MAGAtards is he doesn't engage in the culture war. As terrible as the Democrats are, they're still not right wing enough economically to attract the guy who ran for president on eliminating Medicare even though they're quite right wing economically.
 

Muse

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What you are saying here is that instead of putting party before country he was putting his career before country. Not honorable.
This is a guy who was his party's pick to run for president. Just how honorable do expect him to be. He's a lot more honorable than 99% of Republicans. He stayed a Republican, no surprise. As documented here he's done a lot of bad things, some stupid things. Look... I would like to see the Republican Party destroyed. Just burned to the ground. It's what they deserve. No, a one party system isn't healthy. A 3rd party could come to the fore and develop into a major party. It's happened before. This is as good a time as any.
 

SteveGrabowski

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This is a guy who was his party's pick to run for president. Just how honorable do expect him to be. He's a lot more honorable than 99% of Republicans. He stayed a Republican, no surprise. As documented here he's done a lot of bad things, some stupid things. Look... I would like to see the Republican Party destroyed. Just burned to the ground. It's what they deserve. No, a one party system isn't healthy. A 3rd party could come to the fore and develop into a major party. It's happened before. This is as good a time as any.
We don't need another strong right wing party; we already have two. Would much rather see a real labor party.
 
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Linux23

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I do think it's admirable of him to sail into the sunset, I highly doubt it's for some sort of selfless reasons.

More money to be made playing the edges with some sham charity or PAC than being a senator I'd bet.

And of course he goes out on a "both sides" note, because Mitt Romney.

Dude looks pretty put together for someone that's 76, keeping off the sauce does wonders I guess. No issues with someone that age sticking it out if they are keeping their shit together.
dude is a billionaire. what reason would there be for him to look like a hot mess.

Hell, give me 1/100th of the wealth he has and i'd look like Schwarzenegger.
 

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We don't need another strong right wing party; we already have two. Would much rather see a real labor party.
Totally agree. Calling the Republican Party a strong right wing party, is letting them off easy. They are all about autocracy, shenanigans, obstructionism, distortion, culture wars, representation of big money interests, suppression of the working class. Any 3rd party rising would have to be better than them or it would be subject to the same pressures that would destroy the Republican Party now.

Painting the R and D party with the same brush at this point is silly.
 
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Mitt being classy again. Good job man.
I have an odd relationship with Mitt. I mostly like what he’s about, I like how he’s organized and professional. I think the was a decent Governor.
I never liked his rapid fire flip flops, he can be pretty vague about some things. He is a man of extreme wealth and he just doesn’t connect with me.

Fun fact which I didn’t know about.
Here is Mitt at a BLM March. Any other National Republicans do this?

Well ole Mittens does have a binder full of women so he's very organized I guess.

About the BLM March, unfortunately Mitt thought they were serving pudding in the Senate Cafeteria and took a wrong turn. Sorry.

Damn that Josh Hawley for giving him the wrong directions.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Totally agree. Calling the Republican Party a strong right wing party, is letting them off easy. They are all about autocracy, shenanigans, obstructionism, distortion, culture wars, representation of big money interests, suppression of the working class. Any 3rd party rising would have to be better than them or it would be subject to the same pressures that would destroy the Republican Party now.

Painting the R and D party with the same brush at this point is silly.
The bolded describes the democrats too. We need a genuine leftist party because the neoliberal democrats don't cut it. We basically live in a planned economy with all the market consolidation that the democrats pretend they're against but then never do anything to stop. Not trying to say democrats are the same; I mostly vote for democrats and will never cast a single vote for a republican as long as I live, but that's only temporary until hopefully the Millennials and Generation Z come to power and either drag to democrats to being a genuine social democratic party at least (though I'd prefer a socialist party) or create new one. If in 15 years the democrats are still a neoliberal party and the farthest left I can go I'm done voting. I'm just hoping once the influence of the greed is good boomers in power who were spraying their shorts to Reagan 40 years ago dies out they can at least go back to being the party of FDR and not of Clinton.
 
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...spraying their shorts to Reagan 40 years ago dies out they can at least go back to being the party of FDR and not of Clinton.
I've always hated Ronald Reagan. He was an opportunist.

We've got leftist parties. They are marginalized. If the GOP folds, maybe that will change.
 

dank69

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Just how honorable do expect him to be. He's a lot more honorable than 99% of Republicans.
And all I am saying is that this doesn't mean anything. It's like saying sulfuric acid isn't as dangerous as fluoroantimonic acid.
 

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Fabulously candid read in The Atlantic. The author spent a couple of years interviewing Romney. The article is full of frank reality gems.

A few excerpts:

"I began meeting with Romney in the spring of 2021. The senator hadn’t told anyone he was talking to a biographer, and we kept our interviews discreet. Sometimes we talked in his Senate office, after most of his staff had gone home; sometimes we went to his little windowless “hideaway” near the Senate chamber. But most weeks, I drove to a stately brick townhouse with perpetually drawn blinds on a quiet street a mile from the Capitol."

"Old campaign paraphernalia appeared on the mantel, clashing with the decorator’s mid-tone color scheme, and a bar of “Trump’s Small Hand Soap” (a gag gift from one of his sons) was placed in the powder room alongside the monogrammed towels."

"“A very large portion of my party,” he told me one day, “really doesn’t believe in the Constitution.” He’d realized this only recently, he said. We were a few months removed from an attempted coup instigated by Republican leaders, and he was wrestling with some difficult questions."

"America’s experiment in self-rule “is fighting against human nature.” “This is a very fragile thing,” he told me. “Authoritarianism is like a gargoyle lurking over the cathedral, ready to pounce.” For the first time in his life, he wasn’t sure if the cathedral would hold."

"He joked to friends that the Senate was best understood as a “club for old men.” There were free meals, on-site barbers, and doctors within a hundred feet at all times. But there was an edge to the observation: The average age in the Senate was 63 years old. Several members, Romney included, were in their 70s or even 80s. And he sensed that many of his colleagues attached an enormous psychic currency to their position—that they would do almost anything to keep it."

"One afternoon in March 2019, Trump paid a visit to the Senate Republicans’ weekly caucus lunch. He was in a buoyant mood—two days earlier, the Justice Department had announced that the much-anticipated report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller failed to establish collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election. As Romney later wrote in his journal, the president was met with a standing ovation fit for a conquering hero, and then launched into some rambling remarks. [...] As soon as Trump left, Romney recalled, the Republican caucus burst into laughter."

^^^ There's more, much, much more, but you get the idea. If you can access it, I recommend the article highly.
 
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[...] As soon as Trump left, Romney recalled, the Republican caucus burst into laughter."

Urgh. Fascists who are completely out of the closet about their beliefs deserve more respect than these two-faced gutless wankers.

(I don't put Trump in the former group when I say this, he's just a different sort of gutless wanker)
 
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Germans are the master race, but that means we have an obligation to uplift everyone else, not sit around letting them slaughter each other
In this context, uplift is just another word for genocide. Eliminating the lesser races barbaric culture is part of uplifting them.
 

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In this context, uplift is just another word for genocide. Eliminating the lesser races barbaric culture is part of uplifting them.

- John Rabe literally saved hundreds of Chinese from being massacred at Nanjing by Imperial Japanese forces at extreme personal risk to himself.

His diary is of the events is one of the few reasons anyone even knows what happened there in detail.

He is in many ways understood to be the "Oskar Schindler" of China and like Oskar Schindler he was a card carrying Nazi.

I think he had his own ideas of racial superiority that didn't involve the wholesale slaughter of innocent people. Like clothes that are too small, he was trying to wear Nazi ideology to fit in and make money but when the chips were down he did the right thing, which isn't something I would even expect of most non-nazis.
 
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hal2kilo

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We have no leftist party. We have two right wing parties. Democrats are like the American Tories while Republicans are like American Nazis.
Once again it's because this country, to my own disappointment, is not a left as you or I want it to be. With media owned by billionaires, what do you expect.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Once again it's because this country, to my own disappointment, is not a left as you or I want it to be. With media owned by billionaires, what do you expect.
To the population Bernie's a centrist. To the political elite and corporations who own this nation he might as well be Mao.
 
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fskimospy

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Once again it's because this country, to my own disappointment, is not a left as you or I want it to be. With media owned by billionaires, what do you expect.
Yes it’s a weird idea to me that people think the Democrats would be more successful by moving left. I don’t see a lot of evidence for that.

I personally am significantly to the left of a lot of Democratic Party positions but I’m also pretty confident America as a whole does not share my politics.
 
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Bernie's positions are centrist and align with the positions of the majority of the population...on labor, healthcare, the environment, and campaign finance reform.

Trump co-opted much of Bernie's platform, which is why he won in 2016.

Back to Mitt, the guy made his bones breaking up companies and putting people out of work. But he voted to impeach + great head of hair so I guess it all balances out.
 
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Bernie's positions are centrist and align with the positions of the majority of the population...on labor, healthcare, the environment, and campaign finance reform.

Trump co-opted much of Bernie's platform, which is why he won in 2016.

Back to Mitt, the guy made his bones breaking up companies and putting people out of work. But he voted to impeach + great head of hair so I guess it all balances out.
This is not accurate.

You can find polls where people broadly agree with things he says but once the details come into play they oppose them.

There’s nothing wrong with Bernie - he’s great! He does not represent the median voter though.
 

dank69

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Yes it’s a weird idea to me that people think the Democrats would be more successful by moving left. I don’t see a lot of evidence for that.

I personally am significantly to the left of a lot of Democratic Party positions but I’m also pretty confident America as a whole does not share my politics.
Pretty sure most people approve of progressive policies, until they find out Democrats support them. Then they believe the first excuse they hear on why they're awful, even if it's made up or illogical.
 
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