blackangst1
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And banning guns wont fix that. Ive stated before Im all for background checks so if theres a flaw in that, banning guns wont fix it.As of right now, NICS wouldn't catch that.
And banning guns wont fix that. Ive stated before Im all for background checks so if theres a flaw in that, banning guns wont fix it.As of right now, NICS wouldn't catch that.
Do you agree that owning an object for the purpose of safety is not rational if it makes you less safe? I assume you agree.People own guns for than just safety. We're in a circular argument here. We disagree. Thats fine.
So how do you catch that?Well, maybe, anyway, sometimes. Possibly.
And of course, that ignores people who haven't been diagnosed.
And this is you sidestepping your extreme reaction ("crazy leftist shit") to a reasonable statement.
And banning guns wont fix that. Ive stated before Im all for background checks so if theres a flaw in that, banning guns wont fix it.
I thoroughly disagree.Do you agree that owning an object for the purpose of safety is not rational if it makes you less safe? I assume you agree.
Acknowledging reality here gives us a lot of room to regulate guns because if people want them for hobby purposes there’s no need to store them in the home in most cases.
Red flag laws no. Fixing background checks, yes. Ive stated that MANY times on this forum.So you're in favor of fixing background checks and red flag laws then?
I don't know, I was only pointing out your extreme reaction, I'm not here to debate the finer points of gun control.So how do you catch that?
Do you agree that owning a gun makes the average person less safe?I thoroughly disagree.
In the same way that owning a car or flying makes the average person less safe.Do you agree that owning a gun makes the average person less safe?
Again, WRT to handguns or rifles, I dont think ANY gun control laws should exist.I don't know, I was only pointing out your extreme reaction, I'm not here to debate the finer points of gun control.
Red flag laws no. Fixing background checks, yes. Ive stated that MANY times on this forum.
If you say so.Well, without red flag laws the loophole you mentioned earlier won't ever get fixed. So it seems like you're taking an impossible position.
Great. So now we have established that would you agree that owning something that makes you less safe for the purpose of safety is irrational?In the same way that owning a car or flying makes the average person less safe.
In the same way that owning a car or flying makes the average person less safe.
Correct.In other words statistically.
(although flying is "statistically" safer than sitting on your sofa based purely on "risk of death")
Nope. Every gun owner Ive ever known owns guns for more than personal safety.Great. So now we have established that would you agree that owning something that makes you less safe for the purpose of safety is irrational?
The problem with red flag laws has to do with "after the fact" purposes. Theyre also known as risk based gun removal laws. The problem lies is enforcement. Impossible to do. Red flag laws rarely have to do with pre-gun purchases. Its feel good legislation that would have no effect. I suggest you read up on it.About what I expected.
We will get to that in a minute, I promiseNope. Every gun owner Ive ever known owns guns for more than personal safety.
And banning guns wont fix that. Ive stated before Im all for background checks so if theres a flaw in that, banning guns wont fix it.
The problem with red flag laws has to do with "after the fact" purposes. Theyre also known as risk based gun removal laws. The problem lies is enforcement. Impossible to do. Red flag laws rarely have to do with pre-gun purchases. Its feel good legislation that would have no effect. I suggest you read up on it.
Apparently we do not lead in fatalities though?
Road safety in the rest of the World: number of deaths and road mortality rate (Atlas-mag.net ~ 2015)
Ranking Country Population 2015 GDP/capita 2015 Number of vehicles 2015 Reported number of deaths1 Adjusted number of deaths2 Mortality rate 20153 Mortality rate 2010 1 Brazil 207 847 530 15 390 42 743 000 41 059 46 935 22.58 22.5 2 Ecuador 16 144 360 11 474 2 267 000 2 983 3 164 19.59 27 3 Russia 144 096 810 24 451 51 355 000 27 025 27 025 18.75 18.6 4 Argentina 43 416 750 20 364 13 736 000 5 209 5 619 12.94 12.6 5 Chile 17 948 140 23 367 4 445 000 2 108 2 179 12.14 12.3 6 Mexico 127 017 220 16 988 37 354 000 17 139 15 062 11.85 14.7 7 United States 321 418 820 56 116 264 194 000 32 719 35 092 10.91 11.4 8 Greece 10 823 730 26 379 6 205 000 865 1013 9.35 12.2 9 Croatia 4 224 400 22 514 1 663 000 368 395 9.35 10.4 10 Turkey 78 665 830 20 008 15 360 000 4 786 6 687 8.5 12 11 Czech Republic 10 551 220 33 770 5 890 000 654 708 6.7 7.6 12 Belgium 11 285 720 45 757 6 426 000 724 732 6.48 8.1 13 New Zeland 4 595 700 37 576 3 708 000 253 272 5.9 9.1 14 Slovenia 2 063 770 31 990 1 188 000 125 120 5.81 7.2 15 Canada 35 851 770 44 197 23 215 000 2 077 2 114 5.8 6.8 16 Portugal 10 348 650 29 689 5 872 000 637 593 5.73 11.8 17 Italy 60 802 080 37 217 42 242 000 3 385 3 428 5.63 7.2 18 Australia 23 781 170 46 271 17 200 000 1 192 1 252 5.2 6.1 19 France 66 808 380 41 017 38 652 000 3 268 3 461 5.18 6.4 20 Germany 81 413 150 48 042 48 427 000 3 339 3 540 4.34 4.7 21 Spain 46 418 270 34 906 27 463 000 1 680 1 689 3.6 5.4 22 Switzerland 8 286 980 62 557 4 924 000 269 269 3.24 4.3 23 Netherlands 16 936 520 49 587 9 395 000 570 531 3.13 3.9 24 Denmark 5 676 000 48 009 2 838 000 191 178 3.1 4.7 25 United kingdom 65 138 230 41 756 38 220 000 1 770 1 806 2.77 3.7 26 Sweden 9 798 870 47 855 5 279 000 260 272 2.7 3 27 Malta 431 330 33 995 325 000 18 11 2.55 3.8
Nope. Just like I dont think the sole reason to buy a car is to commute to work is irrational.We will get to that in a minute, I promise
Would you agree that owning a gun for the sole purpose of safety is irrational?
dont buy into the red herring. Automobiles are not guns, and it’s simply a diversion. Guess what, people like blankangst don’t care about deaths in either case, as long as his feels are caressed.