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fskimospy

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People own guns for than just safety. We're in a circular argument here. We disagree. Thats fine.
Do you agree that owning an object for the purpose of safety is not rational if it makes you less safe? I assume you agree.

Acknowledging reality here gives us a lot of room to regulate guns because if people want them for hobby purposes there’s no need to store them in the home in most cases.
 

blackangst1

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Well, maybe, anyway, sometimes. Possibly.
And of course, that ignores people who haven't been diagnosed.
And this is you sidestepping your extreme reaction ("crazy leftist shit") to a reasonable statement.
So how do you catch that?
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Do you agree that owning an object for the purpose of safety is not rational if it makes you less safe? I assume you agree.

Acknowledging reality here gives us a lot of room to regulate guns because if people want them for hobby purposes there’s no need to store them in the home in most cases.
I thoroughly disagree.
 

Pens1566

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Red flag laws no. Fixing background checks, yes. Ive stated that MANY times on this forum.
Well, without red flag laws the loophole you mentioned earlier won't ever get fixed. So it seems like you're taking an impossible position.
 

fskimospy

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In the same way that owning a car or flying makes the average person less safe.
Great. So now we have established that would you agree that owning something that makes you less safe for the purpose of safety is irrational?
 

Captante

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In the same way that owning a car or flying makes the average person less safe.
In other words statistically. ;)

(although flying is "statistically" safer than sitting on your sofa or lying in bed at night based purely on "risk of death" numbers lol)
 

blackangst1

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Great. So now we have established that would you agree that owning something that makes you less safe for the purpose of safety is irrational?
Nope. Every gun owner Ive ever known owns guns for more than personal safety.
 

blackangst1

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About what I expected.
The problem with red flag laws has to do with "after the fact" purposes. Theyre also known as risk based gun removal laws. The problem lies is enforcement. Impossible to do. Red flag laws rarely have to do with pre-gun purchases. Its feel good legislation that would have no effect. I suggest you read up on it.
 

Indus

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And banning guns wont fix that. Ive stated before Im all for background checks so if theres a flaw in that, banning guns wont fix it.
I think the background checks need to be redone every so often, not just with a new purchase.

Keep gun ownership in the hands of the responsible, but take it away from the mentally unstable till they can be responsible again.
 

Captante

Lifer
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As an aside, being correct about a subject and "MAKING YOURSELF RIGHT" are two very different things.... the second serves NO useful purpose unless all you want to do is play "point/counter-point" while trying to make yourself look "intellectual".
 

Pens1566

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The problem with red flag laws has to do with "after the fact" purposes. Theyre also known as risk based gun removal laws. The problem lies is enforcement. Impossible to do. Red flag laws rarely have to do with pre-gun purchases. Its feel good legislation that would have no effect. I suggest you read up on it.
Uh, they don't have anything to do with pre-purchase because we just established why. Kinda the point of this line of questioning. Which you seem to be in favor of except when you're not.
 

ch33zw1z

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Apparently we do not lead in fatalities though?


Road safety in the rest of the World: number of deaths and road mortality rate (Atlas-mag.net ~ 2015)
RankingCountryPopulation 2015GDP/capita 2015Number of vehicles 2015Reported number of deaths1Adjusted number of deaths2Mortality rate 20153Mortality rate 2010
1Brazil207 847 53015 39042 743 00041 05946 93522.5822.5
2Ecuador16 144 36011 4742 267 0002 9833 16419.5927
3Russia144 096 81024 45151 355 00027 02527 02518.7518.6
4Argentina43 416 75020 36413 736 0005 2095 61912.9412.6
5Chile17 948 14023 3674 445 0002 1082 17912.1412.3
6Mexico127 017 22016 98837 354 00017 13915 06211.8514.7
7United States321 418 82056 116264 194 00032 71935 09210.9111.4
8Greece10 823 73026 3796 205 00086510139.3512.2
9Croatia4 224 40022 5141 663 0003683959.3510.4
10Turkey78 665 83020 00815 360 0004 7866 6878.512
11Czech Republic10 551 22033 7705 890 0006547086.77.6
12Belgium11 285 72045 7576 426 0007247326.488.1
13New Zeland4 595 70037 5763 708 0002532725.99.1
14Slovenia2 063 77031 9901 188 0001251205.817.2
15Canada35 851 77044 19723 215 0002 0772 1145.86.8
16Portugal10 348 65029 6895 872 0006375935.7311.8
17Italy60 802 08037 21742 242 0003 3853 4285.637.2
18Australia23 781 17046 27117 200 0001 1921 2525.26.1
19France66 808 38041 01738 652 0003 2683 4615.186.4
20Germany81 413 15048 04248 427 0003 3393 5404.344.7
21Spain46 418 27034 90627 463 0001 6801 6893.65.4
22Switzerland8 286 98062 5574 924 0002692693.244.3
23Netherlands16 936 52049 5879 395 0005705313.133.9
24Denmark5 676 00048 0092 838 0001911783.14.7
25United kingdom65 138 23041 75638 220 0001 7701 8062.773.7
26Sweden9 798 87047 8555 279 0002602722.73
27Malta431 33033 995325 00018112.553.8
dont buy into the red herring. Automobiles are not guns, and it’s simply a diversion. Guess what, people like blankangst don’t care about deaths in either case, as long as his feels are caressed.
 

Captante

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dont buy into the red herring. Automobiles are not guns, and it’s simply a diversion. Guess what, people like blankangst don’t care about deaths in either case, as long as his feels are caressed.
I just found that particular point interesting.... and all the effort I put out was highlighting text and right-clicking "search Google" so why not?

Having said that, comparing deaths from transportation accidents to deaths from gun-shot wounds would be silly. (and pointless)
 

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