Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[jpiniero]

The servethehome variant of the article, without subscription requirement - https://www.servethehome.com/intel-cancels-its-mainstream-next-gen-xeon-server-processors/

Definitely an interesting move, cancel the 8 channel variant to leave only the 16 channel platform.

The AP models haven't sold very well, even by newer node Xeon standards. It's basically cancelling it.

I'm assuming the issue is Foundry related. What's it going to take to get them to fab Xeons at TSMC?

 

[511]

What's a good lube brand (asking on the behalf of us server/edge folks).

They killed the 8Ch variant EDGE would have been fine with smaller SKUs like 32/64C

 

[511]

The AP models haven't sold very well, even by newer node Xeon standards. It's basically cancelling it.

I'm assuming the issue is Foundry related. What's it going to take to get them to fab Xeons at TSMC?

It's not foundry related .... Foundry is infinite US Money glitch IFS can simply ask for Money from US and Us will give it "National Security"

 

[adroc_thurston]

They killed the 8Ch variant EDGE would have been fine with smaller SKUs like 32/64C

That's the issue, their mainstream sockets did fine in the market.
Big sockets are a CSP domain and Intel capitulated in the cloud.

This is outright the dumbest move Intel could've done.

 

[gdansk]

It seems backwards. But maybe 16ch is more competitive...?

 

[511]

That's the issue, their mainstream sockets did fine in the market.
Big sockets are a CSP domain and Intel capitulated in the cloud.

This is outright the dumbest move Intel could've done.

Yeah i am not saying it's not dumb move

 

[511]

It seems backwards. But maybe 16ch is more competitive...?

16CH is with 256C/T

 

[adroc_thurston]

It seems backwards. But maybe 16ch is more competitive...?

None of them are competitive but at least in enterprise they had market inertia.
CSPs they're eons like gigadead.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Schizoid lolcow excuse of a company, can't commit to a server roadmap for a goddamn picosecond.

 

[511]

Why do they need to commit when USG will bail them out lmfao

 

[jpiniero]

This is outright the dumbest move Intel could've done.

That's why I think it's not by choice.

 

[adroc_thurston]

That's why I think it's not by choice.

Killing your mainstream server platform is *always* a choice.

 

[511]

Adroc is right this is a choice and it would have selled easily

 

[Joe NYC]

That's the issue, their mainstream sockets did fine in the market.
Big sockets are a CSP domain and Intel capitulated in the cloud.

This is outright the dumbest move Intel could've done.

To recap:

Intel has high market share in Enterprise, Edge, with smaller servers. Cancels DMR for future smaller servers.

Intel struggles to gain a foothold at high end of the market with big servers for hyperscalers. Intel keeps DMR for this market.

Can you explain, like I am 12 year old, how this makes sense?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Can you explain, like I am 12 year old, how this makes sense?

I guess they're hoping market inertia keeps SP8 Venice away while the DMR-AP wins them some cloud sockets?

 

[511]

To recap:

Intel has high market share in Enterprise, Edge, with smaller servers. Cancels DMR for future smaller servers.

Intel struggles to gain a foothold at high end of the market with big servers for hyperscalers. Intel keeps DMR for this market.

Can you explain, like I am 12 year old, how this makes sense?

It's Intel using their brains

 

[jpiniero]

Killing your mainstream server platform is *always* a choice.

Not if they can't produce it.

 

[Joe NYC]

I guess they're hoping market inertia keeps SP8 Venice away while the DMR-AP wins them some cloud sockets?

It looks to me like AMD is preparing for a major assault on the segment, with 2 types of Venice SP8 SKUs (classic and dense).

So, Intel needs to be extra competitive to hold this market...

 

[adroc_thurston]

Not if they can't produce it.

Wdym *can't produce it*.
It's still DMR they're still making it.

 

[adroc_thurston]

It looks to me like AMD is preparing for a major assault on the segment, with 2 types of SP8 SKUs (classic and dense).

Atta boy, dense SP8 is a specialty option.

So, Intel needs to be extra competitive to hold this market...

Yessssss I love vaseline

 

[Joe NYC]

It's Intel using their brains

Could it be that with the remaining human resources (after the layoffs) and the need to produce a server CPU dedicated to NVidia, that Intel simply does not have the resources to do it? (In timely manner)?

 

[jpiniero]

Wdym *can't produce it*.
It's still DMR they're still making it.

It'd be like Cannon Lake.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Could it be that with the remaining human resources (after the layoffs) and the need to produce a server CPU dedicated to NVidia, that Intel simply does not have the resources to do it? (In timely manner)?

Who the hell cares about NV slop.
It's an I/O tile swap job.

 

[adroc_thurston]

It's like Cannon Lake.

It can't be like Cannon Lake since you're 1q away from PTL on shelves.

 

[jpiniero]

It can't be like Cannon Lake since you're 1q away from PTL on shelves.

Much bigger die tho.

Maybe people's expectations on Panther's volume need to be reduced.... bigly.