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I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

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Yeah after watching Bidens acceptance speech tonight I have do doubt he can do it. The contrast that will exist after agent orange vomits all over the place will be astounding. The GOP will regret trying to lower the bar on Biden and his mental health after people see this.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
The Tea Party came into power with the promise of repealing and replacing. They too stumbled as they never truly had a plan for replacing the ACA. I am using the term properly. Andrew Yang must be reading your posts as well.
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No, the tea party came into power over the deficit and taxes and they did so starting in February of 2009, a whole month after Obama had been in office and well before the ACA was even a consideration. It was later astroturfed by the Koch brothers to help stop Obama’s agenda. I guess true leadership would have been Obama talking to non elected billionaires about the direction of the country.

Once again, context.
 
And what they are doing for the RNC next week is going to go over like a lead ballon for everyone but the base.

Trump keeps making strategic mistakes...
 
Starbuck1975 said:
The Tea Party came into power with the promise of repealing and replacing. They too stumbled as they never truly had a plan for replacing the ACA. I am using the term properly. Andrew Yang must be reading your posts as well.
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There is and was no Tea Party. They were all Republican voters who never stopped voting for the Republican candidates.

I still enjoy how Obama stumbled by getting done what he wanted to get done by getting his ACA enacted and made law of the land, but the Tea Party stumbled by not getting done what they wanted to get done, "repealing" the ACA.

Always fun getting the double-think definition of ideas and phrases out in the open as examples. Stumbling means one thing when you're a Democrat, and another when you're a Republican.

Thanks again for the concrete example of modern US conservative double-think in action.
 
Trumps definitely worried... just said the things usually left unsaid. He just openly admitted and said they are going to use voter intimidation tactics at the polls.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
None of them set out to achieve that vision.
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Are you sure this was not a “vision” of these guys? They just talked about it and then spent energies on it. Can you name another non-“vision” that these guys talked about and spent time on?

Starbuck1975 said:
There is a reason that historians consistently rank these Presidents in the top ten. They rose to the occasion of their times.
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Like everything, historians have opinions. Like everything, there is more to it than historian’s opinions or writings. Maybe the next time you cite what YOUR OPINION is of what they did rather than state or fall back on “historians.” You have yet to say why you feel this way. At least quote one of your “historians” or a link to THEIR opinion. You act like your “opinion” is verified truth. Not sure it is exactly how you think it is.

Starbuck1975 said:
My perspective is fine, it just doesn’t align with yours.
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I couldn’t care less if we agree. Seems you really don’t have a perspective, though. If you did, you would judge things today with it. The interesting thing about perspectives is they don’t really change like wind.

One time you say -
Starbuck1975 said:
They rose to the occasion of their times.
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Then you say -
Starbuck1975 said:
Obama stumbled and the opposition party exploited it politically as opposition parties do.
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If you had perspective you would see even Obama did something that your leaders could not. Oh, maybe that was in Obama’s “vision” because he accomplished it, but since these other leaders could not it is easily excused by -
Starbuck1975 said:
None of them set out to achieve that vision.
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Are you sure about that statement? Is this your final answer or do you need to phone a friend or historian lifeline?
 
Grey_Beard said:
Are you sure this was not a “vision” of these guys? They just talked about it and then spent energies on it. Can you name another non-“vision” that these guys talked about and spent time on?
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Not sure what you mean by this

!Like everything, historians have opinions. Like everything, there is more to it than historian’s opinions or writings. Maybe the next time you cite what YOUR OPINION is of what they did rather than state or fall back on “historians.” You have yet to say why you feel this way. At least quote one of your “historians” or a link to THEIR opinion. You act like your “opinion” is verified truth. Not sure it is exactly how you think it is.
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I trust historians who routinely contribute to such rankings, and they often do so based on objective criteria. Different publications offer such rankings and you can find aggregations across different publications, but the top Presidents are fairly stable in their rankings.

I couldn’t care less if we agree. Seems you really don’t have a perspective, though. If you did, you would judge things today with it. The interesting thing about perspectives is they don’t really change like wind.
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Perspective can and should change.

If you had perspective you would see even Obama did something that your leaders could not. Oh, maybe that was in Obama’s “vision” because he accomplished it, but since these other leaders could not it is easily excused by -
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Passing legislation and achieving a vision are two different things. Under the ACA, health care is more accessible but not more affordable. It’s just a slightly better version of an inherently flawed system.

Are you sure about that statement? Is this your final answer or do you need to phone a friend or historian lifeline?
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Yep, I’m good. For example, Eisenhower opposed socialized health care but supported subsidies to insurance companies. That is a policy decision. Ike chose not to take on health care. FDR abandoned health care as an objective because his sense was that it would sink his goal to implement Social Security.
 
NOW, I too think that Joe can do it, AND.... more importantly is up to doing it.
However... did this change one single Trumpie mind??? Highly unlikely.
If Donald Trump should win reelection, then it is America that is totally F...ed.
And... a huge chunk of the American people who have become totally F...ed UP in the brain.
If after all this, should Donald Trump still prevail, will the last to leave the room please turn off the lights. If a majority of Americans now align with THE DARK SIDE, and align with the Donald Trump hate and Donald Trump bigotry, then we have game over. If you folks that still remain consider yourself moral and decent, you will have few options left should Donald Trump win. One option, to leave America for a more "normal and sane" country or, go live in the woods and detach yourself from society. If America has become a people of selfishness, delusion, hate, evil, and winning at all cost then I guess that is all there is, as the song goes. If you can't leave for a more sane country or hide in the woods, then you will need to buy a gun and fear everything and everyone around you until the day you die because..... if Donald Trump wins reelection then you can count on a president Donald Trump Jr coming next in 2024. And THAT will happen. And, voting and ballots will be no longer be needed.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
I thought it was curious that Obama made health care his first legislative push considering the war on terror and the economy is what got him into the White House...he simply misread the mood of the electorate.
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Obama passed the economic stimulus bill way before the ACA. Actually, a year before. And months before the ACA was even debated in Congress. He signed an $800 billion stimulus bill in February of 2009, while the ACA was signed into law March, 2010.

You are very bad on facts here. What you are doing here is starting with an opinion then looking for facts to support it.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Obama passed the economic stimulus bill way before the ACA. Actually, a year before. And months before the ACA was even debated in Congress. He signed an $800 billion stimulus bill in February of 2009, while the ACA was signed into law March, 2010.

You are very bad on facts here. What you are doing here is starting with an opinion then looking for facts to support it.
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No, I am starting from the 2010 midterms, and using the polling of public opinion and the reasons voters provided in handing the legislature back to the GOP, particularly independents. The economy and the ACA were the two primary reasons stated by voters and exploited by the GOP. My facts are fine.

Another fair criticism of Obama is that the wall street architects of the housing bubble were largely rewarded for their actions. Hope and Change became more of the same.
 
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K1052 said:
That was some good shit.

Trump trying to paint him as a vegetable is an enormous strategic error.
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Yeah, it’s funny how many conservatives on here and elsewhere bought into their own lies that Biden was somehow mentally impaired.

I kept reminding them that they were lying to each other but I guess it made them feel good emotionally so they stuck with it.
 
K1052 said:
That was some good shit.

Trump trying to paint him as a vegetable is an enormous strategic error.
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Biden isn’t a vegetable. He’s gaffe prone and not good with spontaneous speech. Trump is simply incoherent because there is no underlying strategy to anything he says.
 
fskimospy said:
Yeah, it’s funny how many conservatives on here and elsewhere bought into their own lies that Biden was somehow mentally impaired.
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I can imagine them saying DEEP FAKE next. Knowing that they can only double down and not own up to mistakes, it is the next logical conclusion from them. See, Biden never actually gave a speech. That's why it wasn't done in a normal setting. After all, they all know COVID is a hoax made up by the Dems to steal the election. It was the perfect ruse to let a stage actor present a pre recorded and edited video.
 
Jaskalas said:
I can imagine them saying DEEP FAKE next. Knowing that they can only double down and not own up to mistakes, it is the next logical conclusion from them. See, Biden never actually gave a speech. That's why it wasn't done in a normal setting. After all, they all know COVID is a hoax made up by the Dems to steal the election. It was the perfect ruse to let a stage actor present a pre recorded and edited video.
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you know what's sad? what you just said right there is probably something the qanon folks are drumming up now and many will believe it!
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Biden isn’t a vegetable. He’s gaffe prone and not good with spontaneous speech. Trump is simply incoherent because there is no underlying strategy to anything he says.
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Which are things that voters have already long priced in to his candidacy. Also anytime Biden actually has a gaffe Trump bursts through the wall like the Kool Aid man to do something worse that hijacks almost any possible coverage of it because he is unable not to be the center of attention. Trump has been selling the public for months that he is basically in a coma.

Trump is incoherent because he doesn't actually believe in much of anything or know anything. There is basically no ideology beyond base survival instinct and a rather thick layer of racism and cruelty that is barely submerged under the surface of his personality. Getting through the next few minutes is always the goal, nothing more.
 
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