I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

[Ajay]

Lemme ask... what the heck does “don’t think it suits our country” means? Seems to suit a large fraction of our population already.

Because it offers some freedom of choice to people. As such, it will be better accepted by the public at large, and give Insurance companies some role in future healthcare (blunting what will be their absolute opposition to such a bill).
A bill must be passed before it can be implemented. It'll still be a tough slog, even with options, enough Americans are filled with fears of 'rationing' and such. I couldn't, with a brief search, find comparisons on the cost of Medicare vs the cost of the German system. As a whole, Americans spend about 50% more on medical care vs Germany, as a percentage of GDP.

 

[Ajay]

What's the difference what you call it if it's medical care for all? Have you got something against that? Who do you want to leave out?

See my reply to @Meghan54

 

[hal2kilo]

What's the difference what you call it if it's medical care for all? Have you got something against that? Who do you want to leave out?

The undeserving of course, and we all know who they are.

 

[Jhhnn]

I wasn’t aware that but you are missing the point. The point isn’t whether or not those jobs matter, its whether or not democrats have a plan for them. It’s a point republicans can hammer democrats on and if the democrats answer is as callous as some of the responses here, it won’t go well for them. A perfect example of what I’m talking about is coal miner jobs; it’s a job that only affects a few thousands in a dying industry but republicans hit the dems over the head with it.

Ruthless free market capitalists express faux concerns for the working man? How touching.

 

[Ajay]

Ruthless free market capitalists express faux concerns for the working man? How touching.

Sadly, it's worked well for them.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1296498853517176832

not really about Joe but more about the Democratic party...and how it's now fine for others to primary incumbents

 

[Meghan54]

See my reply to @Meghan54

Which wasn't an answer to my question.

BTW....The U.S. spends double what Germany spends on health care per capita. (*2017 figures)

 

[ivwshane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1296498853517176832

not really about Joe but more about the Democratic party...and how it's now fine for others to primary incumbents

Why wouldn’t that be ok?

 

[Ajay]

Which wasn't an answer to my question.

BTW....The U.S. spends double what Germany spends on health care per capita. (*2017 figures)

Ok, I guess I didn't understand your question. What were you looking for?
The chart I looked at was as a percentage of GDP, without looking it up, Germany must have a higher per capita GDP. On a per capita basis, you are correct:

 

[KMFJD]

Why wouldn’t that be ok?

question for the DCCC

https://twitter.com/x/status/1296500161003364357

 

[ivwshane]

question for the DCCC

https://twitter.com/x/status/1296500161003364357

I guess I’m just out of the loop on what this is all about.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

mmmmmm nom nom nom delicious infighting.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Which wasn't an answer to my question.

BTW....The U.S. spends double what Germany spends on health care per capita. (*2017 figures)

The better comparison would be to France. It is a mix of private and public. I did a deep dive comparison between the American and French system for my Masters dissertation. Amazed by the differences, not the ones you would expect. The delivery system in France actually has more providers that are for-profit than in the US. Our problem is not all about insurance. Providers are also part of the problem. Amazing what a for-profit can do for a set fee. Outcomes through the roof and patient satisfaction in the stratosphere.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Ok, I guess I didn't understand your question. What were you looking for?
The chart I looked at was as a percentage of GDP, without looking it up, Germany must have a higher per capita GDP. On a per capita basis, you are correct:

The French system has been rated at the top one or two for the last 25 years. Not sure Germany is a great comparison. It is costlier and has lower outcomes than France.

 

[Grey_Beard]

mmmmmm nom nom nom delicious infighting.

The Republicons are all raping the government, voters and companies so they cannot take energies away from the grift to actually fight amount themselves.

 

[ewdotson]

mmmmmm nom nom nom delicious infighting.

Better infighting than descending into neofascist criminality in lockstep.

 

[brycejones]

mmmmmm nom nom nom delicious infighting.

We know people having different ideas is confusing for you.

 

[KMFJD]

I guess I’m just out of the loop on what this is all about.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1296510399626522625

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ivwshane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1296510399626522625

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No offense but do you have something that’s not on Twitter?

 

[KMFJD]

No offense but do you have something that’s not on Twitter?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/democratic-leaders-stand-firm-on-incumbent-favor-rule-rebuff-liberal-cries-of-blacklist/2019/04/02/117a7714-54bd-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/12/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-pac-dccc-dues/

In surprise endorsement that roils party’s left wing, Pelosi throws support behind Kennedy

No worries, is this good?

 

[ivwshane]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/democratic-leaders-stand-firm-on-incumbent-favor-rule-rebuff-liberal-cries-of-blacklist/2019/04/02/117a7714-54bd-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/12/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-pac-dccc-dues/

In surprise endorsement that roils party’s left wing, Pelosi throws support behind Kennedy

No worries, is this good?

Thanks, that helps but I don’t see what the issue is.

There seems to be some infighting on whether money from the DCC should go to vendors who are working to target incumbent democrats.

What’s wrong with that? Why would you? Does AOC want her primary challenger to be funded by the DCCC?

 

[Muse]

No, just leadership

Leadership without the will of the people is authoritarianism, dictatorship. Leadership is at a minimum not standing in the way of the will of the people, something that Trump and the GOP is very good at... i.e. standing in the way of the will of the people.

 

[Maxima1]

Thanks, that helps but I don’t see what the issue is.

There seems to be some infighting on whether money from the DCC should go to vendors who are working to target incumbent democrats.

What’s wrong with that? Why would you? Does AOC want her primary challenger to be funded by the DCCC?

From what was quoted, the issue was that it was being selectively applied i.e. Pelosi endorsed someone and got the machine to go up against a progressive incumbent.

AOC does disagree with the policy. AOC says it keeps fresh voices out, while Pelosi argues it'll help win elections in the long term. An example of that is Feinstein. She's entrenched because people are morons and go with what is familiar, so in the long-term there might be a possible upside. But generally I think if an incumbent loses to a challenger, that's called culling the herd. Those that make it past the culling for a number of terms prove their strength.

 

[hal2kilo]

Markey deserves to be primaried. It took him like a year to put out a subpoena for Trumps tax records. Kept wondering WTF was wrong with him.

 

[Ajay]

The French system has been rated at the top one or two for the last 25 years. Not sure Germany is a great comparison. It is costlier and has lower outcomes than France.

Well, I haven't looked into the French system since the ACA was being put forward. I've looked at Germany more recently out of curiosity based on a mention in something else I read. So, I don't positively know which model would be the 'best' for the US; just that the German model looks like a good one.