I Don't Know If Joe Can Do It

[shortylickens]

Gawd. The GOP provided Obama with the most obstructionist Congresses in History. They took the govt hostage to their desires.

Some of the more extreme congressmen should have been charged with crimes or at the very least removed from office for outright refusing to do their jobs.
Just like everything else, those people are allowed to get away with shit that would destroy a normal American.
Refusing to work. Refusing to uphold the principles you swore to uphold. Stealing. Lying in official documents. Lying to investigators. Taking vacations in the middle of massive problems.
I think the average person doesnt know who his representative is or what they do on a daily basis. I think more than 90 percent of them are reelected each time around.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Gawd. The GOP provided Obama with the most obstructionist Congresses in History. They took the govt hostage to their desires.

That’s what opposition parties do. The GOP was quite clear in that intent and won seats based on that premise.

 

[Brainonska511]

That’s what opposition parties do. The GOP was quite clear in that intent and won seats based on that premise.

Your schtick is so tiring.

 

[MrSquished]

I still think Biden is an underdog. If you were to look @ my towns facebook page (in the middle of NJ), there are way more Trump supporters vs Biden. I have a feeling it is like this in much of the country.

Where in NJ? Clinton won NJ by almost 20 points in 2016 but there are multiple counties that were red, Ocean County went just over 60% for Trump for example.

New Jersey Election Results 2016

New Jersey election results from the 2016 general election.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Starbuck1975]

Obama was elected. House and Senate Republicans met to discuss how they would block everything. "Tea Party Patriots" sprang up to decry the coming gun seizures and DeathPanels™ that Kenyan, Obama the Usurper , was about to enact. A multi-bankrupt, reality TV star and known money launderer named Trump continually stated Obama wasn't an American, and attempted to find anything, no matter how delusional, to support that claim.

In case you were unaware, the Democrats needed 60 votes in the Senate for anything that wasn't just passing what the House passed, and they had 60 votes for approximately 14 months. And for those 14 months, it wasn't continuous. Throw in the fact that the Democratic Party is a big tent party and are not right-wing authoritarians who vote lock-step with each other, and you get 8 years of Republicans saying no from the minority, and getting their way.

Ask Mitch McConnell about Merrick Garland if you've never heard of him.

Obama stumbled into a Republican roadblock like none ever before. You can speculate as to why. Those of us with common sense know exactly why.

About Rmoney and Haley becoming "resurgent"... did you land on earth last week?

The Republican Base did everything they could to kick Rmoney's ass to the curb in 2012, and everything they could to get The Realest Republican, Donald Trump, as their candidate.

They have no interest in governance. They are only interested in putting libruuls in their place, which means destroying the entire country in the process.

But keep on telling us about that Republican resurgence into sanity. You sound like David Brooks, and you'll be just as wrong about reality as him, too.

So? Let’s say I am wrong and the GOP continues down its death spiral. Won’t be the first time a political party dies. If they choose to continue down a path that costs them votes, oh well.

 

[nickqt]

So? Let’s say I am wrong and the GOP continues down its death spiral. Won’t be the first time a political party dies. If they choose to continue down a path that costs them votes, oh well.

I'm fine with the Republican Party killing itself. The problem is that if they do it when they're in control of the White House and Senate, it spells death and destruction.

 

[ivwshane]

Your schtick is so tiring.

Don't be silly! Real leaders are able to negotiate with crazy people all the time, Obama just didn't have enough leadership!


To put it another way; Obama was able to negotiate with Iran to have it stop its nuclear program and yet Republicans were unwilling to negotiate at all.

Let that fucking sink in for a minute...obama got Iran, a country who's leader we overthrew to install one of our own and who has been an adversary of ours for over 50 years, he was able to negotiate with them. Apparently he lacked the leadership to negotiate with our own domestic terrorist group, the Republicans.

And we have some piece of shit poster with balls to say a real leader would have been able to get something done with these traitors, lol!

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, I got that, and I'm telling you that "better" private health insurance is not better than Medicare. It's more or less on par. Maybe a few very high end plans, typically reserved for executives, are a little better because they pay for things like health club memberships.

I know this because my wife and I are self-employed and we buy on the individual market off the exchanges. This year, we pay $1,000 per month EACH for a plan that requires us to pay the first $1500 of our medical care every year out of our own pockets. This is a serious financial burden even on two upper middle class salaries.

I think private insurance has very high variance. Some is much better than Medicare and some much worse. I don’t have stats to back this up but I bet high end insurance has higher satisfaction and low end private insurance has lower.

But again my point is that we should offer good insurance to everyone and then if people want to pay more, they are welcome. I think it would be a much more achievable thing than abolishing private insurance.

 

[NostaSeronx]

And we have some piece of shit poster with balls to say a real leader would have been able to get something done with these traitors, lol!

A real leader would get them to expulse the fuckers. Not forgive and forget.

 

[Wreckem]

The one national poll(USC) in 2016 that had Trump winning the whole time in all it’s polls has Biden at +11 in its debut Poll of 2020..

 

[ivwshane]

A real leader would get them to expulse the fuckers. Not forgive and forget.

In a dictatorship or in a monarchy, sure, but that’s not what we have.

 

[NostaSeronx]

In a dictatorship or in a monarchy, sure, but that’s not what we have.

Um, expulsion isn't part of a dictatorship or a monarchy. It's part of the internal checks and balances of Congress.

 

[ivwshane]

Um, expulsion isn't part of a dictatorship or a monarchy. It's part of the internal checks and balances of Congress.

There is no such mechanism in place, thankfully, that would allow democrats without republican support, to remove people who refuse to do their job in Congress.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'm fine with the Republican Party killing itself. The problem is that if they do it when they're in control of the White House and Senate, it spells death and destruction.

The GOP is about to lose the White House and Senate, and they already lost Congress, because they chose to go with the pied piper populist. Elections have consequences.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Don't be silly! Real leaders are able to negotiate with crazy people all the time, Obama just didn't have enough leadership!


To put it another way; Obama was able to negotiate with Iran to have it stop its nuclear program and yet Republicans were unwilling to negotiate at all.

Let that fucking sink in for a minute...obama got Iran, a country who's leader we overthrew to install one of our own and who has been an adversary of ours for over 50 years, he was able to negotiate with them. Apparently he lacked the leadership to negotiate with our own domestic terrorist group, the Republicans.

And we have some piece of shit poster with balls to say a real leader would have been able to get something done with these traitors, lol!

Iran had something to gain from that negotiation, hence their willingness to compromise. The GOP had a legislative majority to gain, hence their unwillingness to compromise.

 

[NostaSeronx]

There is no such mechanism in place, thankfully, that would allow democrats without republican support, to remove people who refuse to do their job in Congress.

There is but the party that got evicted for supporting the confederacy does not want to use it. Or, even fight against the republicans as democrats aren't liberals.

All Biden did 2009-2017 was gargle on McConnell's nads.
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act based on Republican plans, no liberal oversight.
Affordable Care Act(Obamacare) based on Republican plans, no liberal oversight.

Is it a victory to get something passed if it was the republican's proposal first?
Let's toot the horn guys we got it! We passed the bare minimum scraps the republicans offered us years ago way to late!

It's better to have it now when we don't need it, <== This never happens; than to fight for it when we don't have it and need it now. <== This is the struggle for scraps.

 

[Jhhnn]

A real leader would get them to expulse the fuckers. Not forgive and forget.

Gawd. All too many American conservatives are, in truth, somewhat delusional, impervious to reason. Decades of relentless right wing agitprop have rendered them so. The principles of democracy dictate that they will send people to congress where there numbers are sufficient. They can't be expunged other tha

Iran had something to gain from that negotiation, hence their willingness to compromise. The GOP had a legislative majority to gain, hence their unwillingness to compromise.

Or maybe the GOP has adopted a far right agenda in accordance with the wishes of their mega rich financiers who run the Party the way major league clubs ran farm teams in the hayday of baseball. They're not being paid to compromise.

 

[ivwshane]

Iran had something to gain from that negotiation, hence their willingness to compromise. The GOP had a legislative majority to gain, hence their unwillingness to compromise.

Fantastic! I’m glad you finally agree that there were no compromises to be had with the GOP and that leadership wouldn’t have changed that outcome!

It only took you two pages to come to the conclusion everyone else reached 10 years ago!!

Someone get this guy a participation trophy!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Fantastic! I’m glad you finally agree that there were no compromises to be had with the GOP and that leadership wouldn’t have changed that outcome!

It only took you two pages to come to the conclusion everyone else reached 10 years ago!!

Someone get this guy a participation trophy!

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[Grey_Beard]

I disagree. The biggest roadblock for universal health care is that it would lead to millions of people losing their jobs. A slow and steady rollout where obsolete jobs are slowly eliminated would be best.

People are already sold on the idea and messaging can counter most of its opponents objections. Telling people they are going to lose their way of life though...well that's a much harder sell.

Why would this happen? Why would jobs suffer? Were jobs lost when Medicare was enacted? It should be paid for the same way, a percentage of earnings no matter how much you make.

 

[ivwshane]

Why would this happen? Why would jobs suffer? Were jobs lost when Medicare was enacted? It should be paid for the same way, a percentage of earnings no matter how much you make.

If you get rid of the middleman like others have proposed, you certainly don’t need the jobs that enabled the middleman in the first place, right?

 

[Grey_Beard]

If you get rid of the middleman like others have proposed, you certainly don’t need the jobs that enabled the middleman in the first place, right?

Correct. We have survived as nation as millions of manufacturing jobs went elsewhere. Do these “middleman” add value to the process?

The middleman is still viable, though. Currently there is a shift to have commercial insurance manage about 70% of Medicare payments by 2030. There are segments of the industry which are positioned to survive. Not just risk-based card but also disease management. There are opportunities in a society as sick as ours.

 

[ivwshane]

Correct. We have survived as nation as millions of manufacturing jobs went elsewhere. Do these “middleman” add value to the process?

The middleman is still viable, though. Currently there is a shift to have commercial insurance manage about 70% of Medicare payments by 2030. There are segments of the industry which are positioned to survive. Not just risk-based card but also disease management. There are opportunities in a society as sick as ours.

I wasn’t aware that but you are missing the point. The point isn’t whether or not those jobs matter, its whether or not democrats have a plan for them. It’s a point republicans can hammer democrats on and if the democrats answer is as callous as some of the responses here, it won’t go well for them. A perfect example of what I’m talking about is coal miner jobs; it’s a job that only affects a few thousands in a dying industry but republicans hit the dems over the head with it.

 

[Grey_Beard]

I wasn’t aware that but you are missing the point. The point isn’t whether or not those jobs matter, its whether or not democrats have a plan for them. It’s a point republicans can hammer democrats on and if the democrats answer is as callous as some of the responses here, it won’t go well for them. A perfect example of what I’m talking about is coal miner jobs; it’s a job that only affects a few thousands in a dying industry but republicans hit the dems over the head with it.

Then did nothing to improve the industry. Maybe honesty is best, as sugar coating or unwarranted optimism does not help either. I get what you are saying, as I grew up in coal country.

Sometimes jobs creation means that certain jobs need to die and the workers need to retrain. The issue with the coal miners is that the Republicons fed into the love of the job, ignoring the facts that the jobs have been gone and never coming back. At least these jobs are office type jobs which could transfer easily.

 

[Muse]

Oh how I wish this was the standard we would aim for. Everybody gets *excellent* healthcare and those making above 60K Euros per year can opt into a private plan which must provide, at a minimum, the same level of healthcare of government healthcare (and benefits from gov't standard pricing on medications, etc). And, every tax payer contributes to the government plan, including corporations. Germany is a large country, so scaling it up to the US population should be straight forward. I don't like medicare for all, I don't think it suits our country, but I guess I take what we can get.

What's the difference what you call it if it's medical care for all? Have you got something against that? Who do you want to leave out?