And this is why its a circular conversation. The separation of church and state means the state can reasonably accommodate but not exclusively endorse that belief.
The meat doesn’t change despite what anyone believes.
That's totally not a circular argument.And this is why its a circular conversation. The separation of church and state means the state can reasonably accommodate but not exclusively endorse that belief.
The meat doesn’t change despite what anyone believes.
It's not though, it doesn't change anything for anyone else but it does change it for the Muslims.
It's a pragmatic decision made because it cuts costs.
You'll eat whatever meat and that is fine by you, someone else wants halal and you eat any meat and that is fine with you. Now they decide that since there is you who eat whatever meat and 43 others that eat halal they will just order halal meat and you'll eat whatever so .... but no, not now, NOW you care, NOW you go "NO HALAL"!
Do you not see how silly this is?
He hasn't even been creepy, yet. We have guys here who intentionally dial disconnected numbers just to hear a woman's voice.
Maybe I should phrase it a different way.And this is why its a circular conversation. The separation of church and state means the state can reasonably accommodate but not exclusively endorse that belief.
The meat doesn’t change despite what anyone believes.
Maybe I should phrase it a different way.
Rather than thinking of halal and kosher as religious things think of them as food rules.
Atheist ones are the easiest to meet, then Christian ones, then Jewish ones, then Muslim ones.
As you go down this list of rules you aren't transgressing the lower ones you are just adding a few on top. Now if these rules were onerous for the consumer I'd say that you had a point but as they are transparent to the consumer I'd say that you are making a fuss about nothing.
No one has responded to certificates where the slaughterer has to be Muslim and they are Muslim [I posted the certificates of three of the dearborn vendors] . There has been a whole lot of diversion and nonsensical whatabouttery so far and it is shameful that no one is able to focus on the topic on hand. talk about little minions getting sidetracked.
Why are govt funds going going to a jobs program for only one religious group. The proponents have still not answered that question but keep diverting the topic to 'why you hate islam,/ why you nazi???/ why wont everyone eat halal/ why do you have to be so obtuse etc etc'
if folks cannot respond to the topic on hand, I would respectfully request the mods to close the topic as the last 400 responses here are pretty much 'hah I got you'
Apparently, you don't know what Kosher entails. It's about the same, and it's ubiquitous in the American food industry. Any complaints?
So government is using tax money to make me eat Kosher?? Not sure why this aspect is hard for people to understand. if I want Kosher, I use my money to buy products. Show me a school that forces 100% Kosher and I will rail and post against the same.
Your memory is great but very, very short, it was replied to within the first page that they don't have to be Muslim but "people of the book" and that is only for one part of the slaughter.
You REALLY want to hate on Muslims there are FAR better reasons (there really are, a lot of them) than this one which does not affect anyone who isn't specifically a Muslim child in Dearborn at all.
Your memory is great but very, very short, it was replied to within the first page that they don't have to be Muslim but "people of the book" and that is only for one part of the slaughter.
You REALLY want to hate on Muslims there are FAR better reasons (there really are, a lot of them) than this one which does not affect anyone who isn't specifically a Muslim child in Dearborn at all.
This is the first post and it talks about job opportunities for non muslims. [& super special people of the book]
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https://dearbornschools.org/download/734/food-services/224019/dearborn-halal-certifications-9-13.pdf
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Vendor 3 : Cimple Meants
What does ISWA halal certification say
There are a few more certificates, but like i said this is a 100% jobs program for just one group.
I think people against it are looking at it as exclusionary rather than inclusionary which is what it is. Its reaching for the largest audience rather than trying to cater for the minority.That's the thing though, he's not saying it should be stopped because it is inconvenient to others, he's saying the very act of a school district catering to the religiously based dietary restrictions of its student body is unconstitutional.
The meals in the OP that you are frothing about are probably Kosher.So government is using tax money to make me eat Kosher?? Not sure why this aspect is hard for people to understand. if I want Kosher, I use my money to buy products. Show me a school that forces 100% Kosher and I will rail and post against the same.
You can request different meals. They are making meals to what appears the majority want
The meals in the OP that you are frothing about are probably Kosher.
i get it, I know kids have other options. My point is why are govt funds used for a one religion only jobs program. I don't understand why it is so hard for people to get. You keep talking like I dont get that other kids have other options. I posted the menu on my first post. You think I didn't go through what options there are
I could be but you aren't really trying to understand this issue at all, you're just riding that outrage train.Can you be a little bit more respectful.
You can request different meals. They are making meals to what appears the majority want
Because they would have to use three different abattoirs, butcheries and kitchens to achieve the same results otherwise.