Dearborn school district now offering students 100% Halal menu

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nakedfrog

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i get it, I know kids have other options. My point is why are govt funds used for a one religion only jobs program. I don't understand why it is so hard for people to get. You keep talking like I dont get that other kids have other options. I posted the menu on my first post. You think I didn't go through what options there are
Well, that's the thing, they're not. You are oddly very, VERY specifically fixated on the people doing the slaughtering, and ignoring the fact that once it's been slaughtered, anyone can do the processing.
 
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And so what?? so that means they can initiate a jobs program for one group

Most of the other school groups are doing the same and none of the muslim kids are exploding . let the school use its own funds to buy from Halal suppliers. if it is indeed so cost efficient why dont the school district use their funds, why do they need USDA funds?

We have no idea how this is funded. Appears to be a leap to assume it’s 100% federal gov funded.
We don’t even know how much more or if it costs more at all than previous method.
 

cirrrocco

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I could be but you aren't really trying to understand this issue at all, you're just riding that outrage train.


WB, sorry if you feel that way. Maybe I am not very clear and I apologize if you feel like I am outraged. I am actually not. Since my first post, I have been against govt funds for shariah compliant meat.

I will not complain if the school is funding this 100%. The problem I have is the use of federal funds to subsidize and grow just one religious group.
 

IronWing

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And so what?? so that means they can initiate a jobs program for one group

Most of the other school groups are doing the same and none of the muslim kids are exploding . let the school use its own funds to buy from Halal suppliers. if it is indeed so cost efficient why dont the school district use their funds, why do they need USDA funds?
You have not shown a disparate outcome of the school district's action on employment opportunities for non-Muslim butchers.
 

WelshBloke

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And so what?? so that means they can initiate a jobs program for one group

Most of the other school groups are doing the same and none of the muslim kids are exploding . let the school use its own funds to buy from Halal suppliers. if it is indeed so cost efficient why dont the school district use their funds, why do they need USDA funds?
So you want the schools to spend more than they need to, massively complicate their administrative and procurement systems, build a couple of new kitchens just so they can have separate halal, kosher and secular cheese pizzas that are identical and beef tacos that only differ in where they bought the mince from?
 

cirrrocco

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Well, that's the thing, they're not. You are oddly very, VERY specifically fixated on the people doing the slaughtering, and ignoring the fact that once it's been slaughtered, anyone can do the processing.

So you must be ok with a specific jobs, let's say software jobs at a federal level only going to Mormons.
or how about in your county, utilities work can only be done by Atheists.

I guess you must be ok with it.
 

WelshBloke

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WB, sorry if you feel that way. Maybe I am not very clear and I apologize if you feel like I am outraged. I am actually not. Since my first post, I have been against govt funds for shariah compliant meat.

I will not complain if the school is funding this 100%. The problem I have is the use of federal funds to subsidize and grow just one religious group.
It isn't just growing one group, its feeding all of them.
 
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cirrrocco

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So you want the schools to spend more than they need to, massively complicate their administrative and procurement systems, build a couple of new kitchens just so they can have separate halal, kosher and secular cheese pizzas that are identical and beef tacos that only differ in where they bought the mince from?


Yes if they are using federal funds.
 

nakedfrog

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So you must be ok with a specific jobs, let's say software jobs at a federal level only going to Mormons.
or how about in your county, utilities work can only be done by Atheists.

I guess you must be ok with it.
Like, if only Mormons were allowed to push the "compile" button, or only atheists could load ladders onto the truck? That's the level of detail you're fussing about.
 

cirrrocco

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At a high level, we are talking about job reservation at a religious level. doesnt matter if it is compile or loading. You are saying you are ok if you local govt says at the county level that compile pressers can only be one religious group.

if you are ok with it, then I am sorry but we are at odds in terms of our outlook on how govt funds are spent and we will never agree on this issue , we will prolly agree that trump is a cheating lying fuckhead :) but on this issue we will disagree.
 

cirrrocco

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It isn't just growing one group, its feeding all of them.


WB, I get it. I seem like a total fuckhead trying to starve the arab kids, but again that's not my intent at all. if the school wants to use the funds generated and part of their capex, then they can go ahead and buy whatever food they want. In this case, they are now getting matching funds from the USDA and going the halal route.

I have been against it since the beginning. It may seem to be a trivial issue to most of you, but I am irked by this usage of federal funds for just acquiescing just one group.
 

WelshBloke

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WB, I get it. I seem like a total fuckhead trying to starve the arab kids, but again that's not my intent at all. if the school wants to use the funds generated and part of their capex, then they can go ahead and buy whatever food they want. In this case, they are now getting matching funds from the USDA and going the halal route.

I have been against it since the beginning. It may seem to be a trivial issue to most of you, but I am irked by this usage of federal funds for just acquiescing just one group.
I just don't understand why you would want to needlessly complicate things, inconvenience everyone and make everything more expensive for no real positive reason.
 

cirrrocco

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Those are all fine links from StormFront you have there but in reality it is fine with Kosher or anything done by the correct procedure by people of the book for it to be Halal. I have a feeling you don't understand the subject, all Halal means is "permissive" and the opposite is Haram which means "forbidden".

You don't need all of that for meat to be permissible to eat (Halal).

I think this is just a case of your ignorance coupled with an outrage that you really want to stick to.


Links from Stormfront??.. Are you dense. the link is from the school dsitrict. reporting your post for baiting
 
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From the link:

Students will see dramatic differences in this year’s menu, starting with more made from scratch meals, promised Joshua Bain, SFE senior general manager of food service.

“The district has been doing a lot of heat-and-eat because it was easy,” Bain said. Now, everything will be handmade, down to the sandwiches.

All the meat served in Dearborn will now be halal. Before some schools offered all halal, while others had a mix, which contributed to confusion about which menu was being served at which school.

Parents of picky eaters should not panic – the menu still includes kid favorites like macaroni and cheese and chicken nuggets. Children will also have a chance to sample new things.


Last school year, Dearborn Public Schools began offering free lunch and breakfast to all kindergarten through 12th grade students across the district. The meals were provided through a special community qualification program offered through the U.S.D.A. school lunch program. Dearborn served 2,050,258 school lunches last school year, up from 1.8 million the previous year. Breakfasts increased to 684,049, up from 646,901 the previous year.
 
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Seriously though. Free breakfast and lunch, all handmade in school, increased uptake... How can any of that be seen as bad? That's the sort of thing to be emulated everywhere!

Taxes! That’s how. Some folks get really upset when their taxes get spent on special programs.
BTW I’m totally for this it should be something we can afford plus make it easier for working parent families to get kids off to school.
We also don’t know if this costs more money that what they were doing. I bet town meeting minutes would reveal that but I’m not digging that deep.