Cops Raid FLDS Compound in Texas

[Throckmorton]

How did I know ATP&N was going to defend these child molesters? Apparently the FLDS's PR campaign is working pretty well

I feel sorry for the girl who made the call. She's probably already dead or in a dungeon somewhere, never to be seen by the world again.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
How did I know ATP&N was going to defend these child molesters? Apparently the FLDS's PR campaign is working pretty well

I feel sorry for the girl who made the call. She's probably already dead or in a dungeon somewhere, never to be seen by the world again.

wow just wow. so if one kid in your neighborhood gets molested, the family across the street will have the cops come in and rip the kids away from their home and parents? Yea thats just great!!

The point iim trying to make is this. There is no proof of any molestation. and based on one phone call by one "kid" who cant be found ALL the families get thier kids taken away and put in foster homes????

dude that alone is fucked up.

 

[Vic]

No proof of any molestation? Do you people even know ANYTHING about the FLDS church?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
How did I know ATP&N was going to defend these child molesters? Apparently the FLDS's PR campaign is working pretty well

I feel sorry for the girl who made the call. She's probably already dead or in a dungeon somewhere, never to be seen by the world again.

wow just wow. so if one kid in your neighborhood gets molested, the family across the street will have the cops come in and rip the kids away from their home and parents? Yea thats just great!!

The point iim trying to make is this. There is no proof of any molestation. and based on one phone call by one "kid" who cant be found ALL the families get thier kids taken away and put in foster homes????

dude that alone is fucked up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on the phone call they had probable cause. The question is finding evidence when they had prior warning, and when the girls are too scared to testify. Some of the mothers went to safe houses instead of returning, so hopefully there can be a trial.


Your analogy makes no sense, because the family across the street is not in the same cult as the child molester in the neighborhood. In this case, they're all in the cult, all living in the compound, and young girls are being used for sex by older men and married at the age of 16 (admitted by them), which is illegal in Texas.

 

[OutHouse]

all of what you said is still speculation and in my opinion not grounds or proof to rip innocent families who had nothing to do with the molestation (if there really was any) apart. punish the guilty but not the innocent.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Citrix
all of what you said is still speculation and in my opinion not grounds or proof to rip innocent families who had nothing to do with the molestation (if there really was any) apart. punish the guilty but not the innocent.

A critical issue how do you tell which is innocent and guilty without investigating?
When the children are unable to identify the father and a teenager has 2-3 children,it should raise some suspicions

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Citrix
all of what you said is still speculation and in my opinion not grounds or proof to rip innocent families who had nothing to do with the molestation (if there really was any) apart. punish the guilty but not the innocent.

A critical issue how do you tell which is innocent and guilty without investigating?
When the children are unable to identify the father and a teenager has 2-3 children,it should raise some suspicions

Citrix believes they are separate independent families which is not the case.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
You know nothing of abuse.
Ever spoken to a woman who has been beaten by her husband over the years ?
Those same women will go to court to defend that man that was beating on her.
When you are raised in that culture of abuse you do not know there is anything else.

Nah, its not that simple. Abuse is a co-dependency issue more times than an intelligence issue. The abused are often the cause of the abuse and at the same time the victim of the very situation they themselves have created. The same women of these failed relationships often jump from man to man (or woman to woman in a man's case) simply repeating the same problem. It is because the victim is often the source of the underlying problem. Believe it or not, but even the kids that are the ultimate targets of abuse are often the bad children the parents that abuse them claim; unfortunately the vicious cycle can only be fixed with the removal of the child from the family on a permanent basis and a lot of times the child is in and out of institutions the rest of their life.

Anyone that portrays victims of abuse as innocent in a majority of the cases is naive.

edit: In no, way, shape or form can anyone condone the FLDS culture and I wholeheartedly support destroying their compound and resolving the legal issues twenty years after we deprogram all the victims.

 

[Zorba]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: Modelworks
You know nothing of abuse.
Ever spoken to a woman who has been beaten by her husband over the years ?
Those same women will go to court to defend that man that was beating on her.
When you are raised in that culture of abuse you do not know there is anything else.

Nah, its not that simple. Abuse is a co-dependency issue more times than an intelligence issue. The abused are often the cause of the abuse and at the same time the victim of the very situation they themselves have created. The same women of these failed relationships often jump from man to man (or woman to woman in a man's case) simply repeating the same problem. It is because the victim is often the source of the underlying problem. Believe it or not, but even the kids that are the ultimate targets of abuse are often the bad children the parents that abuse them claim; unfortunately the vicious cycle can only be fixed with the removal of the child from the family on a permanent basis and a lot of times the child is in and out of institutions the rest of their life.

Anyone that portrays victims of abuse as innocent in a majority of the cases is naive.

edit: In no, way, shape or form can anyone condone the FLDS culture and I wholeheartedly support destroying their compound and resolving the legal issues twenty years after we deprogram all the victims.

I really hope someone beats the shit out of you on your way home tonight.

I agree that it is a cycle that the victim a lot of times will put themselves back into, but that does NOT make it their fault, chances are that they've been abused since they were a year old.

Oh and fuck those bad little babies that cry too loudly when their daddy shakes them.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: Modelworks
You know nothing of abuse.
Ever spoken to a woman who has been beaten by her husband over the years ?
Those same women will go to court to defend that man that was beating on her.
When you are raised in that culture of abuse you do not know there is anything else.

Nah, its not that simple. Abuse is a co-dependency issue more times than an intelligence issue. The abused are often the cause of the abuse and at the same time the victim of the very situation they themselves have created. The same women of these failed relationships often jump from man to man (or woman to woman in a man's case) simply repeating the same problem. It is because the victim is often the source of the underlying problem. Believe it or not, but even the kids that are the ultimate targets of abuse are often the bad children the parents that abuse them claim; unfortunately the vicious cycle can only be fixed with the removal of the child from the family on a permanent basis and a lot of times the child is in and out of institutions the rest of their life.

Anyone that portrays victims of abuse as innocent in a majority of the cases is naive.

edit: In no, way, shape or form can anyone condone the FLDS culture and I wholeheartedly support destroying their compound and resolving the legal issues twenty years after we deprogram all the victims.

It takes quite a bit for someone to upset me.
Especially over the internet.
But you disgust me.
Go spend some time working a crisis line like I have.
Talk to the people that are being abused.

How is a child that is beaten by a father responsible for that ?
Or how about the wife that is choked by her husband and told that if she leaves he will hunt her down ?
What about the child that calls in crying because her daddy beats her mommy and she wants to kill herself because she can't handle it anymore ?

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

 

[MadRat]

You should both be ashamed for saying more into what I said, Zorba and Modelworks. You implied I support abusers in some way. Wow, and Zorba, wishing harm on someone for speaking out? Seriously, guy, you got some issues. Abused since a year old... where did that come from? Not all abuse victims started from day one nor do the majority of victims come from bad parents. Nobody has a solution for mental illness which is the trait you'll see in a lot of victims.

Modelworks, does working a crisis hot line make you an expert? Seriously, it would be great if all victims of abuse found help and moved on it. But you know as well as I do that only a small percentage of victims get help. In reality the ones calling for help are the ones that have already crossed a line in the sand and recognize their predicament.

Seriously, the majority of abuse today is from women not men simply because women have been unduly shouldering the child rearing in American society. And the victims of the abuse are very protective of their abusers. When a woman abuses a victim they do it with a double-edged sword tipped one side with both emotion and violence and the other with over compensation and laying blame on the victim. The mother rewards the child (and in many cases the adult offspring!) for being the victim, therefore the child learns the vicious lesson that you only get what you want by being a victim. You would be lying if you've never seen this behavior talked about on the hot line. If you do not recognize this reality then you are the one that shouldn't talk about this issue. The shaken baby, the kid with bruises on their back and legs, or the wife getting punched in the face is the superficial level of abuse that is easy to spot. But all your crying over them doesn't fix the bigger abuse problem living on in society.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Modelworks, does working a crisis hot line make you an expert? Seriously, it would be great if all victims of abuse found help and moved on it. But you know as well as I do that only a small percentage of victims get help. In reality the ones calling for help are the ones that have already crossed a line in the sand and recognize their predicament.

From talking with people for 7 years, it makes me a person very very informed of the problems. More an expert than someone who took a college course or wrote a book.

The ones calling are not the ones that have crossed a line.
They are the ones that maybe a friend talked them into calling, or maybe they saw a tv show where someone else got help. The people calling that just decided to call because they just recognized their situation are next to non existent.

Seriously, the majority of abuse today is from women not men simply because women have been unduly shouldering the child rearing in American society. And the victims of the abuse are very protective of their abusers. When a woman abuses a victim they do it with a double-edged sword tipped one side with both emotion and violence and the other with over compensation and laying blame on the victim. The mother rewards the child (and in many cases the adult offspring!) for being the victim, therefore the child learns the vicious lesson that you only get what you want by being a victim. You would be lying if you've never seen this behavior talked about on the hot line. If you do not recognize this reality then you are the one that shouldn't talk about this issue. The shaken baby, the kid with bruises on their back and legs, or the wife getting punched in the face is the superficial level of abuse that is easy to spot. But all your crying over them doesn't fix the bigger abuse problem living on in society.

You sound like a textbook.
I'm not taking this stuff from some book I read.
Its from dealing with people day in and out to try to help them.
I've looked people in the eye as they tell their story.


The children do not learn to get what they want from being a victim.
They learn to be scared, to not do anything that would make someone want to hurt them.
To be subservient .
There are no rewards , only fear.
Unless the reward your thinking of is avoiding being slapped, not fed, or abused.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
What should be done when an underage girl is pregnant?

The state has a responbility to ensure the welfare of the children.

If children were being abused, then the children need to be removed from such environment.

Each child needs to be checked on and tracked.

So why are these people exempt?

An equally unrelated link

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Citrix
he isnt stupid he has a valid point. The news last night covered this and i agree, the cops did this on ONE complaint by ONE girl. It hasnt even been proven true at all, is that enough reason to rip families apart?

Why does it matter how/why this abuse was reported? The proof is underage children being mothers.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix
he isnt stupid he has a valid point. The news last night covered this and i agree, the cops did this on ONE complaint by ONE girl. It hasnt even been proven true at all, is that enough reason to rip families apart?

Why does it matter how/why this abuse was reported? The proof is underage children being mothers.

actually underage females being mothers is not proof of anything.


also add in the fact thta the guy they claim was doing the abuse was not even in the state (wich they failed to check) and can't find the girl. have taken the kids from the mothers etc.

sure looks like they used it as a excuse to raid the compound and not for the children.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix
he isnt stupid he has a valid point. The news last night covered this and i agree, the cops did this on ONE complaint by ONE girl. It hasnt even been proven true at all, is that enough reason to rip families apart?

Why does it matter how/why this abuse was reported? The proof is underage children being mothers.

If there is proof of underage children being raped, why don't they arrest the abuser? Even with 4 years of undercover work, they have yet filed any meaningful charges. All they have done is ripped families apart because of one phone call by a 16 year old who they cannot even find...

For all the mass hysteria, what laws have these families broken that they must all collective be punished? But yet, without evidence or proof, daughters and sons are being taken away from their mothers. Its a shame.

The media is there to entertain and shock. They are sensationalizing everything: "Oh, they are a 'cult'... Oh, they had orgies... oh, massive abuse... oh.. sex with 3 year olds.. oh.. they.. did this or did that.. " but as we know, the media distorts and titillates -- that's their job. To sell newspapers or gather the most "clicks".... Whats gets lost in all this is the truth. The truth is after 4 years of investigation by the government, there are still no charges. The only thing we have is families being broken up by one, I would assume, bogus phone call by some 16 year old.

Yes, I know people may have issues with their alternative lifestyle - polygamy. But does this mean, we have to destroy their families? If we had issues with the Amish lifestyle, will we still allow the government to steal away their children without any proof of wrong doings.. how about the Hasidic jews? The people who believe in Islam? Or even from people who practice, even if inadvertently, "serial monogamy" -- lets send their kids to foster care, Etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Oa6wYA&feature=related

It seems to me, before we start kicking down any doors and ripping families apart like the "brown coats" of yesterday because we think they are "degenerate", lets at least have some due process. Lets have some justice. What gives the right of the government of Texas to act like the gestapo with machine guns in hand wearing body armor to take away children from families that have done nothing!!!!

If there are as bad as the media says they are, where is the proof!!! I thought we have moved away from being a prejudice society... for stoning women because we didn't like how they acted... for killing men because they did not have any attraction towards women... for lynching folks because they didn't kowtowing to the culture norms of moving to the back of the bus.. But yet, here we are ripping families apart and hoping their religious mother and fathers DIAF without even a strain of evidence.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix
he isnt stupid he has a valid point. The news last night covered this and i agree, the cops did this on ONE complaint by ONE girl. It hasnt even been proven true at all, is that enough reason to rip families apart?

Why does it matter how/why this abuse was reported? The proof is underage children being mothers.

If there is proof of underage children being raped, why don't they arrest the abuser? Even with 4 years of undercover work, they have yet filed any meaningful charges. All they have done is ripped families apart because of one phone call by a 16 year old who they cannot even find...

For all the mass hysteria, what laws have these families broken that they must all collective be punished? But yet, without evidence or proof, daughters and sons are being taken away from their mothers. Its a shame.

The media is there to entertain and shock. They are sensationalizing everything: "Oh, they are a 'cult'... Oh, they had orgies... oh, massive abuse... oh.. sex with 3 year olds.. oh.. they.. did this or did that.. " but as we know, the media distorts and titillates -- that's their job. To sell newspapers or gather the most "clicks".... Whats gets lost in all this is the truth. The truth is after 4 years of investigation by the government, there are still no charges. The only thing we have is families being broken up by one, I would assume, bogus phone call by some 16 year old.

Yes, I know people may have issues with their alternative lifestyle - polygamy. But does this mean, we have to destroy their families? If we had issues with the Amish lifestyle, will we still allow the government to steal away their children without any proof of wrong doings.. how about the Hasidic jews? The people who believe in Islam? Or even from people who practice, even if inadvertently, "serial monogamy" -- lets send their kids to foster care, Etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Oa6wYA&feature=related

It seems to me, before we start kicking down any doors and ripping families apart like the "brown coats" of yesterday because we think they are "degenerate", lets at least have some due process. Lets have some justice. What gives the right of the government of Texas to act like the gestapo with machine guns in hand wearing body armor to take away children from families that have done nothing!!!!

If there are as bad as the media says they are, where is the proof!!! I thought we have moved away from being a prejudice society... for stoning women because we didn't like how they acted... for killing men because they did not have any attraction towards women... for lynching folks because they didn't kowtowing to the culture norms of moving to the back of the bus.. But yet, here we are ripping families apart and hoping their religious mother and fathers DIAF without even a strain of evidence.

Stop with the Nazi comparisons, it's completely inappropriate and insulting to the 12 million people who were murdered by them.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
How did I know ATP&N was going to defend these child molesters? Apparently the FLDS's PR campaign is working pretty well

I feel sorry for the girl who made the call. She's probably already dead or in a dungeon somewhere, never to be seen by the world again.

Simmer down Beavis. Not everyone is defending this cult.

And I hope the girl is found too

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Citrix
all of what you said is still speculation and in my opinion not grounds or proof to rip innocent families who had nothing to do with the molestation (if there really was any) apart. punish the guilty but not the innocent.

The model of what our society considers 'family' does not apply to this case. To these people their 'family' can be 30-40 individuals...some of which can possibly be born to females barely of the age to even have children.

I will err on the side of the authorities who are trying to sort this mess out.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix
he isnt stupid he has a valid point. The news last night covered this and i agree, the cops did this on ONE complaint by ONE girl. It hasnt even been proven true at all, is that enough reason to rip families apart?

Why does it matter how/why this abuse was reported? The proof is underage children being mothers.

If there is proof of underage children being raped, why don't they arrest the abuser? Even with 4 years of undercover work, they have yet filed any meaningful charges. All they have done is ripped families apart because of one phone call by a 16 year old who they cannot even find...

For all the mass hysteria, what laws have these families broken that they must all collective be punished? But yet, without evidence or proof, daughters and sons are being taken away from their mothers. Its a shame.

The media is there to entertain and shock. They are sensationalizing everything: "Oh, they are a 'cult'... Oh, they had orgies... oh, massive abuse... oh.. sex with 3 year olds.. oh.. they.. did this or did that.. " but as we know, the media distorts and titillates -- that's their job. To sell newspapers or gather the most "clicks".... Whats gets lost in all this is the truth. The truth is after 4 years of investigation by the government, there are still no charges. The only thing we have is families being broken up by one, I would assume, bogus phone call by some 16 year old.

Yes, I know people may have issues with their alternative lifestyle - polygamy. But does this mean, we have to destroy their families? If we had issues with the Amish lifestyle, will we still allow the government to steal away their children without any proof of wrong doings.. how about the Hasidic jews? The people who believe in Islam? Or even from people who practice, even if inadvertently, "serial monogamy" -- lets send their kids to foster care, Etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Oa6wYA&feature=related

It seems to me, before we start kicking down any doors and ripping families apart like the "brown coats" of yesterday because we think they are "degenerate", lets at least have some due process. Lets have some justice. What gives the right of the government of Texas to act like the gestapo with machine guns in hand wearing body armor to take away children from families that have done nothing!!!!

If there are as bad as the media says they are, where is the proof!!! I thought we have moved away from being a prejudice society... for stoning women because we didn't like how they acted... for killing men because they did not have any attraction towards women... for lynching folks because they didn't kowtowing to the culture norms of moving to the back of the bus.. But yet, here we are ripping families apart and hoping their religious mother and fathers DIAF without even a strain of evidence.

Stop with the Nazi comparisons, it's completely inappropriate and insulting to the 12 million people who were murdered by them.

For the millions that died.. for the millions who had families ripped apart because of Nazis, I would think they would find it appalling and insulting that we are not standing up to this injustice or ANY injustice -- no matter how small. After all, for the millions that died in this repressed and prejudice group, it all started with one innocuous "star" being sewn on their coats. Nobody stood up.

If the government can take away your daughters and sons because they don't like your lifestyle, what else can they do?

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix
he isnt stupid he has a valid point. The news last night covered this and i agree, the cops did this on ONE complaint by ONE girl. It hasnt even been proven true at all, is that enough reason to rip families apart?

Why does it matter how/why this abuse was reported? The proof is underage children being mothers.

If there is proof of underage children being raped, why don't they arrest the abuser? Even with 4 years of undercover work, they have yet filed any meaningful charges. All they have done is ripped families apart because of one phone call by a 16 year old who they cannot even find...

For all the mass hysteria, what laws have these families broken that they must all collective be punished? But yet, without evidence or proof, daughters and sons are being taken away from their mothers. Its a shame.

The media is there to entertain and shock. They are sensationalizing everything: "Oh, they are a 'cult'... Oh, they had orgies... oh, massive abuse... oh.. sex with 3 year olds.. oh.. they.. did this or did that.. " but as we know, the media distorts and titillates -- that's their job. To sell newspapers or gather the most "clicks".... Whats gets lost in all this is the truth. The truth is after 4 years of investigation by the government, there are still no charges. The only thing we have is families being broken up by one, I would assume, bogus phone call by some 16 year old.

Yes, I know people may have issues with their alternative lifestyle - polygamy. But does this mean, we have to destroy their families? If we had issues with the Amish lifestyle, will we still allow the government to steal away their children without any proof of wrong doings.. how about the Hasidic jews? The people who believe in Islam? Or even from people who practice, even if inadvertently, "serial monogamy" -- lets send their kids to foster care, Etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Oa6wYA&feature=related

It seems to me, before we start kicking down any doors and ripping families apart like the "brown coats" of yesterday because we think they are "degenerate", lets at least have some due process. Lets have some justice. What gives the right of the government of Texas to act like the gestapo with machine guns in hand wearing body armor to take away children from families that have done nothing!!!!

If there are as bad as the media says they are, where is the proof!!! I thought we have moved away from being a prejudice society... for stoning women because we didn't like how they acted... for killing men because they did not have any attraction towards women... for lynching folks because they didn't kowtowing to the culture norms of moving to the back of the bus.. But yet, here we are ripping families apart and hoping their religious mother and fathers DIAF without even a strain of evidence.

Stop with the Nazi comparisons, it's completely inappropriate and insulting to the 12 million people who were murdered by them.

For the millions that died.. for the millions who had families ripped apart because of Nazis, I would think they would find it appalling and insulting that we are not standing up to this injustice or ANY injustice -- no matter how small. After all, for the millions that died in this repressed and prejudice group, it all started with one innocuous "star" being sewn on their coats. Nobody stood up.

If the government can take away your daughters and sons because they don't like your lifestyle, what else can they do?

There is no comparison between the brutal murder of 12 million people and a questionable police action. This is one act against a group of known polygamists and, while this raid may not have been justified, it's not as though we have police rounding up every group of people they don't like. There are no 'stars' or camps where EVERYBODY of a given belief is being sent.

People are human, they make mistakes and just because ONE incident is raising questions doesn't mean that all of a sudden we have the next Holocaust on our hands.

Please, stop with the references to the Nazis, I personally find it deeply insulting and I'm sure others on this board share my opinion.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix
he isnt stupid he has a valid point. The news last night covered this and i agree, the cops did this on ONE complaint by ONE girl. It hasnt even been proven true at all, is that enough reason to rip families apart?

Why does it matter how/why this abuse was reported? The proof is underage children being mothers.

actually underage females being mothers is not proof of anything.


also add in the fact thta the guy they claim was doing the abuse was not even in the state (wich they failed to check) and can't find the girl. have taken the kids from the mothers etc.

sure looks like they used it as a excuse to raid the compound and not for the children.

Seriously? You're going to argue underage mothers isn't proof of anything? So you're ok with a 16 year old being pregnant by a 50 year old man? What I read on them (FLDS) a girl is eligible to marry when she can carry a child. If that's common practice in this community it deserved to be raided.

Edited for clarity

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Citrix
he isnt stupid he has a valid point. The news last night covered this and i agree, the cops did this on ONE complaint by ONE girl. It hasnt even been proven true at all, is that enough reason to rip families apart?

Why does it matter how/why this abuse was reported? The proof is underage children being mothers.

actually underage females being mothers is not proof of anything.


also add in the fact thta the guy they claim was doing the abuse was not even in the state (wich they failed to check) and can't find the girl. have taken the kids from the mothers etc.

sure looks like they used it as a excuse to raid the compound and not for the children.

Seriously? You're going to argue underage mothers isn't proof of anything? So you're ok with a 16 year old being pregnant by a 50 year old man? What I read on them (FLDS) a girl is eligible to marry when she can carry a child. If that's common practice in this community it deserved to be raided.

Edited for clarity

because a 16 yr old is not proof of anything. it happens every day in every religion.

Also the fact they can't find ANY underage girls who are pregnant kinda hurts.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: eleison


For the millions that died.. for the millions who had families ripped apart because of Nazis, I would think they would find it appalling and insulting that we are not standing up to this injustice or ANY injustice -- no matter how small. After all, for the millions that died in this repressed and prejudice group, it all started with one innocuous "star" being sewn on their coats. Nobody stood up.

If the government can take away your daughters and sons because they don't like your lifestyle, what else can they do?

Get a fvcking clue. A government can take away your children if you are not providing rights the children deserve. A right to education. A right to join the society. A right to not getting physically and mentally abused. Those men and women in FLDS can live in any life style they want, as long as their children are given education, belong to the society, have the ability to experience and choose the life style the desire, and not being forced into marrying men in their 50's when they are still a child.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: eleison


For the millions that died.. for the millions who had families ripped apart because of Nazis, I would think they would find it appalling and insulting that we are not standing up to this injustice or ANY injustice -- no matter how small. After all, for the millions that died in this repressed and prejudice group, it all started with one innocuous "star" being sewn on their coats. Nobody stood up.

If the government can take away your daughters and sons because they don't like your lifestyle, what else can they do?

Get a fvcking clue. A government can take away your children if you are not providing rights the children deserve. A right to education. A right to join the society. A right to not getting physically and mentally abused. Those men and women in FLDS can live in any life style they want, as long as their children are given education, belong to the society, have the ability to experience and choose the life style the desire, and not being forced into marrying men in their 50's when they are still a child.

you might also want to get a clue.

those are not rights.