Cops Raid FLDS Compound in Texas

[OutHouse]

well it looks like the whole thing was a fake. a woman was arrested yesterday in Colorado Springs who may have been the one to call Texas CPS to make these false claims against this group. Texas CPS better return all the kids to their families ASAP and hope that the state doesnt get the living shit sued out of them.



http://www.9news.com/news/top-...cle.aspx?storyid=90138


COLORADO SPRINGS ? A woman arrested in Colorado Springs may be the same person who prompted a raid at a religious compound in western Texas.

According to a release from the city of Colorado Springs, police arrested 33-year-old Rozita Swinton at her home on Wednesday on a charge of false reporting to authorities, a misdemeanor. The incident she was arrested for happened in February. Swinton was taken to the El Paso County Criminal Justice Center.

According to the city's release, The Texas Rangers were in Colorado Springs as part of their investigation involving the compound in Texas. The Colorado Springs Police Department says it cannot discuss the Texas case. However, a television station in Arizona is reporting Swinton made false calls to the Texas authorities, sparking the raid at the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) compound.

Texas authorities needed a criminal complaint before they could get a warrant to storm the compound. They got it when they claimed a 16-year-old girl named Sarah called them for help, saying she was inside the ranch, pregnant and scared of her abusive 50-year-old husband.

One former member, who has been an outspoken critic of polygamist practices, says she thinks she may have talked to Swinton on the phone, with Swinton claiming to be Sarah's twin sister.

Flora Jessop says the woman she believes is Rozita Swinton called again Thursday morning after Swinton bailed out of the El Paso County Jail.

"I did get her to admit to me her name was Rose," Jessop said.

The affidavit for the case in Colorado Springs has been sealed, but Jessop says police arrested Swinton for making false calls somewhere in Colorado, claiming to be an abused child.

9NEWS has learned that Swinton was arrested in Castle Rock two years ago for making a false report.

 

[piasabird]

In all honesty their are so many underage mothers in our society, that there is no way in hell that the attorney general of every state can possibly prosecute all of the adult men that get the underage women pregnant. Some of these FLDS people have been hiding from the Law and trying to evade prosecution for years. They have their own lawyers and their own false propaganda they plan on presenting to the press and the media. Do not underestimate these people. Just because they dress differently, it does not mean they are stupid.

The legal officials may require a genetic test of everyone in the camp to sort out what has really been going on. Then are we really going to throw every adult in jail? If we do what is required, how do you find enough resources for hundreds of foster children? If we do nothing then there will be even more abuse to future generations.

We could at least start by mandatory castration of all the adult males who raped these young girls. At least that would keep them form doing it again to other little girls. They have systematically raped and brainwashed generations. There was a state wanting the death penalty for RAPE and I think this might be a good time to use it or change the law in Texas.

 

[Arkaign]

^^^ This isn't going away :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._us/polygamist_retreat

A child welfare worker said some women at the sect's ranch had children when they were minors, some as young as 13.

The children, most of whom are being kept in a domed coliseum in San Angelo, range in age from 6 months to 17 years. About 130 are under 4 years old, Voss said.

She said she was concerned about how the children and women followed the orders of the church's prophet, identified as jailed leader Warren Jeffs.

"The children reported that if the prophet heard from the Heavenly Father that they were to marry at any age, they were to do that. If the prophet said they were to lie, they were to do that," Voss said.

Jeffs is currently awaiting trial in a Kingman, Ariz., jail on charges related to the promotion of underage marriages. He previously was convicted of being an accomplice to the rape of a 14-year-old wed to her cousin in a Utah case.

FLDS is run by corrupt, morally bankrupt predators and manipulators. It's good that they're going down.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Citrix
well it looks like the whole thing was a fake. a woman was arrested yesterday in Colorado Springs who may have been the one to call Texas CPS to make these false claims against this group. Texas CPS better return all the kids to their families ASAP and hope that the state doesnt get the living shit sued out of them.



http://www.9news.com/news/top-...cle.aspx?storyid=90138


COLORADO SPRINGS ? A woman arrested in Colorado Springs may be the same person who prompted a raid at a religious compound in western Texas.

According to a release from the city of Colorado Springs, police arrested 33-year-old Rozita Swinton at her home on Wednesday on a charge of false reporting to authorities, a misdemeanor. The incident she was arrested for happened in February. Swinton was taken to the El Paso County Criminal Justice Center.

According to the city's release, The Texas Rangers were in Colorado Springs as part of their investigation involving the compound in Texas. The Colorado Springs Police Department says it cannot discuss the Texas case. However, a television station in Arizona is reporting Swinton made false calls to the Texas authorities, sparking the raid at the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) compound.

Texas authorities needed a criminal complaint before they could get a warrant to storm the compound. They got it when they claimed a 16-year-old girl named Sarah called them for help, saying she was inside the ranch, pregnant and scared of her abusive 50-year-old husband.

One former member, who has been an outspoken critic of polygamist practices, says she thinks she may have talked to Swinton on the phone, with Swinton claiming to be Sarah's twin sister.

Flora Jessop says the woman she believes is Rozita Swinton called again Thursday morning after Swinton bailed out of the El Paso County Jail.

"I did get her to admit to me her name was Rose," Jessop said.

The affidavit for the case in Colorado Springs has been sealed, but Jessop says police arrested Swinton for making false calls somewhere in Colorado, claiming to be an abused child.

9NEWS has learned that Swinton was arrested in Castle Rock two years ago for making a false report.

oh my.


thats really going to cause problems.

going to be intersting. Are the courts going to back the constitiution or the idea "for the children"?

 

[OrByte]

wow if that is true Citrix this thing will turn out to be a whole lot more trouble.

 

[Robor]

My argument is if this FDLS group condones underage girls being married to and having sex with adults they and any like them deserve to be raided. I am not talking about a 18 year old guy having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. Sure it's technically wrong but we're talking 2-3 years here. I'm talking about an *older* man (as in should know better) being married to and having sex with someone under the age of consent. From what I read one of their 50+ year old male members was previously found guilty of getting a 16 year old pregnant. That is simply f'ed up. Period.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Robor
My argument is if this FDLS group condones underage girls being married to and having sex with adults they and any like them deserve to be raided. I am not talking about a 18 year old guy having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. Sure it's technically wrong but we're talking 2-3 years here. I'm talking about an *older* man (as in should know better) being married to and having sex with someone under the age of consent. From what I read one of their 50+ year old male members was previously found guilty of getting a 16 year old pregnant. That is simply f'ed up. Period.

i agree it is fucked up. those men need to moved away fromt he women.

BUT it needs to be done legally. now that we know there was no girl in the place that called. it is going to make a LOT harder to nail the guys. wich is what we are saying.


there is a very good possiblity that everything is going to get thrown out.

so how is that helping anyone?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor
My argument is if this FDLS group condones underage girls being married to and having sex with adults they and any like them deserve to be raided. I am not talking about a 18 year old guy having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. Sure it's technically wrong but we're talking 2-3 years here. I'm talking about an *older* man (as in should know better) being married to and having sex with someone under the age of consent. From what I read one of their 50+ year old male members was previously found guilty of getting a 16 year old pregnant. That is simply f'ed up. Period.

i agree it is fucked up. those men need to moved away fromt he women.

BUT it needs to be done legally. now that we know there was no girl in the place that called. it is going to make a LOT harder to nail the guys. wich is what we are saying.


there is a very good possiblity that everything is going to get thrown out.

so how is that helping anyone?

No possibility. The only thing that could be thrown out would be evidence gained during the search of the compound if the warrant turned out to be false. The evidence given by testimony/dna of and from the girls/women, etc, is separate. In short, the FLDS guys are fucked.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor
My argument is if this FDLS group condones underage girls being married to and having sex with adults they and any like them deserve to be raided. I am not talking about a 18 year old guy having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. Sure it's technically wrong but we're talking 2-3 years here. I'm talking about an *older* man (as in should know better) being married to and having sex with someone under the age of consent. From what I read one of their 50+ year old male members was previously found guilty of getting a 16 year old pregnant. That is simply f'ed up. Period.

i agree it is fucked up. those men need to moved away fromt he women.

BUT it needs to be done legally. now that we know there was no girl in the place that called. it is going to make a LOT harder to nail the guys. wich is what we are saying.


there is a very good possiblity that everything is going to get thrown out.

so how is that helping anyone?

No possibility. The only thing that could be thrown out would be evidence gained during the search of the compound if the warrant turned out to be false. The evidence given by testimony/dna of and from the girls/women, etc, is separate. In short, the FLDS guys are fucked.

all of that was gathered under false information and can not be used in any criminal investigation. The FLDS guys are far from fucked. I would say the state of Texas just might be.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

We must protect the children! We have to save the children!

This is the excuse behind so much bad legislation, regulation, and decisions it makes me want to puke. It's elitist BS.

A phone call is hearsay. I want to know what law school the judge that signed the warrant went to. 400 children kidnapped over hearsay... sad.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
We must protect the children! We have to save the children!

This is the excuse behind so much bad legislation, regulation, and decisions it makes me want to puke. It's elitist BS.

A phone call is hearsay. I want to know what law school the judge that signed the warrant went to. 400 children kidnapped over hearsay... sad.

a phone call to start is fine. then do some investigating. AFTER the raid they found out the guy who was blamed for it was not even in the state and that the women calling was lieing.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor
My argument is if this FDLS group condones underage girls being married to and having sex with adults they and any like them deserve to be raided. I am not talking about a 18 year old guy having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. Sure it's technically wrong but we're talking 2-3 years here. I'm talking about an *older* man (as in should know better) being married to and having sex with someone under the age of consent. From what I read one of their 50+ year old male members was previously found guilty of getting a 16 year old pregnant. That is simply f'ed up. Period.

i agree it is fucked up. those men need to moved away fromt he women.

BUT it needs to be done legally. now that we know there was no girl in the place that called. it is going to make a LOT harder to nail the guys. wich is what we are saying.


there is a very good possiblity that everything is going to get thrown out.

so how is that helping anyone?

No possibility. The only thing that could be thrown out would be evidence gained during the search of the compound if the warrant turned out to be false. The evidence given by testimony/dna of and from the girls/women, etc, is separate. In short, the FLDS guys are fucked.

all of that was gathered under false information and can not be used in any criminal investigation. The FLDS guys are far from fucked. I would say the state of Texas just might be.

Absolutely false. Testimony given by witnesses (the women and children) is not applicable to the original search warrant.

The ONLY things that COULD be ruled inadmissible due to a falsely obtained warrant would be any physical evidence gained from the execution of the search warrant itself. In other words, only the stuff on the scene.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
We must protect the children! We have to save the children!

This is the excuse behind so much bad legislation, regulation, and decisions it makes me want to puke. It's elitist BS.

A phone call is hearsay. I want to know what law school the judge that signed the warrant went to. 400 children kidnapped over hearsay... sad.

More ignorance. People would be up in arms if a phone call from an allegedly abused minor wasn't taken seriously.

Again, FLDS, the Jeffs, and their elders have a LONG and disgusting track record of abusing children, forcing girls as young as 12 to become 'plural wives' and to submit to sex with adult men. Many times the fathers marry their own nieces or daughters.

Read Jon Krakauer's 'Under the Banner of Heaven' for an enlightening view on these wackos.

Given the history involved with this group, a raid of this magnitude was ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
We must protect the children! We have to save the children!

This is the excuse behind so much bad legislation, regulation, and decisions it makes me want to puke. It's elitist BS.

A phone call is hearsay. I want to know what law school the judge that signed the warrant went to. 400 children kidnapped over hearsay... sad.

a phone call to start is fine. then do some investigating. AFTER the raid they found out the guy who was blamed for it was not even in the state and that the women calling was lieing.

Yes absolutely, but that is all they had, so imo the search was a warrantless violation of thousands of people's rights. But if you speak up against it, you are made to look as if you do not care about the children. It's purely insidious.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
We must protect the children! We have to save the children!

This is the excuse behind so much bad legislation, regulation, and decisions it makes me want to puke. It's elitist BS.

A phone call is hearsay. I want to know what law school the judge that signed the warrant went to. 400 children kidnapped over hearsay... sad.

More ignorance. People would be up in arms if a phone call from an allegedly abused minor wasn't taken seriously.

Again, FLDS, the Jeffs, and their elders have a LONG and disgusting track record of abusing children, forcing girls as young as 12 to become 'plural wives' and to submit to sex with adult men. Many times the fathers marry their own nieces or daughters.

Read Jon Krakauer's 'Under the Banner of Heaven' for an enlightening view on these wackos.

Given the history involved with this group, a raid of this magnitude was ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do.

YOU ARE ABSOLUETLY THE MOST RETARDED PERSON I HAVE HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF MEETING TODAY.

 

[Arkaign]

All caps response = smartness FTW?

 

[OrByte]

If this was one house, with a family of 3 (Mother, Father, daughter) and there was a crank call made to authorities that the father abused and raped the daughter then CPS and the authorities HAVE to investigate. If the authorities determine during the course of the welfare check visit, that the father didn't rape the daughter, then the rape charges are unfounded and most likely no action will be taken by CPS.

The only difference here with the FLDS is the household numbers in the hundreds (No one can give an exact figure yet) and CPS is starving for resources AND has no precedence on how to proceed with such investigation.

I think the CPS/authorities are winging it with this one...BUT I think they are doing so with the best interests of the children in mind.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: OrByte
If this was one house, with a family of 3 (Mother, Father, daughter) and there was a crank call made to authorities that the father abused and raped the daughter then CPS and the authorities HAVE to investigate. If the authorities determine during the course of the welfare check visit, that the father didn't rape the daughter, then the rape charges are unfounded and most likely no action will be taken by CPS.

The only difference here with the FLDS is the household numbers in the hundreds (No one can give an exact figure yet) and CPS is starving for resources AND has no precedence on how to proceed with such investigation.

I think the CPS/authorities are winging it with this one...BUT I think they are doing so with the best interests of the children in mind.

Also to be considered is the horrible horrible history of the FLDS, their leadership and followers have been convicted of many terrible crimes, on a continual basis.

But yeah, that's a good summary.

I'd rather have a few dummies get mad over this raid/investigation, than for abuse to go unreported/uninvestigated. Can you imagine the outcry if the authorities ignored this call to begin with?

 

[SphinxnihpS]

I'd rather have rights and let people do whatever they want to their own kids. I'd rather not live in a police state.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
I'd rather have rights and let people do whatever they want to their own kids. I'd rather not live in a police state.

GTFO Troll. lol.

 

[piasabird]

This is a video link and this woman, a former wife, is talking about a form of water torture done to infants. It is designed to make children fear their father. It is done at such an early age that most kids do not remember it. This guy was one sick demented animal to torture a baby. He called it breaking the child.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/vid.../ng.polygamy.crime.cnn

Dont beleive this little naive act you see these FLDS people put on. It is all a defense mechanism.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
I'd rather have rights and let people do whatever they want to their own kids. I'd rather not live in a police state.

everyone has rights including the FLDS.

But if those children are being born and bred into abusive situations, situations where they don't even know what is right and wrong...then where are their rights to live under the same freedoms that you and I enjoy? SHould we not allow the authorities the chance to review this FLDS "system" to make sure those children are safe?

Or should we just not pay attention to what goes on behind those closed iron gates the FLDS has errected all around themselves?

If we did that then we should all be held responsible to whatever abuses these children may suffer.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: piasabird
This is a video link and this woman, a former wife, is talking about a form of water torture done to infants. It is designed to make children fear their father. It is done at such an early age that most kids do not remember it. This guy was one sick demented animal to torture a baby. He called it breaking the child.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/vid.../ng.polygamy.crime.cnn

Dont beleive this little naive act you see these FLDS people put on. It is all a defense mechanism.

:roll:

Nancy Grace man bashing.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
I'd rather have rights and let people do whatever they want to their own kids. I'd rather not live in a police state.

everyone has rights including the FLDS.

But if those children are being born and bred into abusive situations, situations where they don't even know what is right and wrong...then where are their rights to live under the same freedoms that you and I enjoy? SHould we not allow the authorities the chance to review this FLDS "system" to make sure those children are safe?

Or should we just not pay attention to what goes on behind those closed iron gates the FLDS has errected all around themselves?

If we did that then we should all be held responsible to whatever abuses these children may suffer.

true but throwing out constitutional law is just as bad. they raided on a lie and took c children away from mothers on a lie.

i think the fallout of this is going to be big. one way or another.

should be interesting to see what happens. ite either fallow the law and ignore the kids or ignore the law and "protect" the kids.

i see this going to the US supreme court

 

[Arkaign]

Wag, no offense, but just review some cases relative to admission of evidence/testimony. When false warrants get knocked out, all that *can* be removed is limited to what was discovered during the search of the premises.