Cops Raid FLDS Compound in Texas

[xenolith]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
I'd rather have a few dummies get mad over this raid/investigation, than for abuse to go unreported/uninvestigated. Can you imagine the outcry if the authorities ignored this call to begin with?

Who's advocating that authorities ignore the call? I probably know less about legal rights than even the average joe, and even I can imagine there must be ways to effectively conduct an initial investigation of rape or physical abuse without having to take custody of all the children, no?

This is the problem with people who start to work themselves up too much while defending their side of an argument... they start to see too much black and white in a world that's made up of many shades of gray.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
I'd rather have rights and let people do whatever they want to their own kids. I'd rather not live in a police state.

And when mom and dad tell a 16 year that she is going to marry a 40 year you have no problem with it??

What about the rights of the children to live normal lives like every other child in the country?

 

[ProfJohn]

On a side note... did anyone else notice how ugly all the FLDS women who appear in the press are? Bleh

Maybe this a ploy by the men in the church... put the ugly ones on TV and people won't care about what happens to them.

 

[Throckmorton]

Apparently some 13 year old girls rescued from the compound are pregnant.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
I'd rather have rights and let people do whatever they want to their own kids. I'd rather not live in a police state.

I'd rather have everyone who rapes or otherwise abuses kids (or adults for that matter) to be executed in an extremely painful manner. And I'd like for the same to be done with anyone who defends them.

Everyone who thinks it's ok for a 13 year old girl to be raped should be branded a pedophile and locked up for life so he can get raped by the rest of the inmates for every single day for as long as he lives.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
On a side note... did anyone else notice how ugly all the FLDS women who appear in the press are? Bleh

Maybe this a ploy by the men in the church... put the ugly ones on TV and people won't care about what happens to them.

along those lines, where are the men?

I havent see one male FDLS member get interview or seen one "captured" on film.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
I'd rather have rights and let people do whatever they want to their own kids. I'd rather not live in a police state.

everyone has rights including the FLDS.

But if those children are being born and bred into abusive situations, situations where they don't even know what is right and wrong...then where are their rights to live under the same freedoms that you and I enjoy? SHould we not allow the authorities the chance to review this FLDS "system" to make sure those children are safe?

Or should we just not pay attention to what goes on behind those closed iron gates the FLDS has errected all around themselves?

If we did that then we should all be held responsible to whatever abuses these children may suffer.

true but throwing out constitutional law is just as bad. they raided on a lie and took c children away from mothers on a lie.

i think the fallout of this is going to be big. one way or another.

should be interesting to see what happens. ite either fallow the law and ignore the kids or ignore the law and "protect" the kids.

i see this going to the US supreme court

To everyone here, how many Timothy McVeigh types do you suppose can come out of this?

 

[Robor]

More teenage mothers emerge in Texas polygamy probe

The first few paragraphs from the story...

SAN ANGELO, Texas (Reuters) - Texas authorities said on Thursday they identified 25 more mothers below age 18 among those removed from a polygamist compound, raising to about 460 the number of minors at the heart of a huge abuse probe.

An apparent phone tip earlier this month led to a raid on the ranch in a remote part of west Texas and the removal of the children. The compound is linked to a breakaway Mormon sect and is run by followers of jailed polygamist leader Warren Jeffs.

Texas welfare and law enforcement officials say they have uncovered evidence of widespread child abuse on the grounds, with adolescent girls being forced into unions with much older men.

The 25 additional teenage mothers who have been sorted from the adults and who initially claimed to be adults may provide prosecutors with more ammunition if it was found for example that some had become pregnant when they were in their early teens.

Officials would not say how old the mothers were beyond the fact all are believed to be under 18.

 

[waggy]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/...flds.ruling/index.html


kids are to be returned to the mothers. the state had no Right to take ht em.

seems the start of the end. wonder how long before the raid is declared unconstitutional?


seems like now people are going to wish the cops would have done there job. now they are going to get away with it.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Half the mothers from a polygamist sect that Texas child welfare authorities put in foster care as children have now been declared adults.

Attorneys for Child Protective Services say 15 of the 31 mothers are adults. One is actually 27.

Another girl listed as an underage mother is 14, but the state has conceded she is not pregnant and does not have a child.

GG dipshits

Irks me a deal that Texas did this

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: waggy
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/...flds.ruling/index.html


kids are to be returned to the mothers. the state had no Right to take ht em.

seems the start of the end. wonder how long before the raid is declared unconstitutional?


seems like now people are going to wish the cops would have done there job. now they are going to get away with it.

The court ruled that a means test to justify the removal was not proper

 

[Robor]

Does this mean they only should have taken the underage girls who were old enough to reproduce so they wouldn't be raped by older male members?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Robor
Does this mean they only should have taken the underage girls who were old enough to reproduce so they wouldn't be raped by older male members?

even that is comeing under fire. something like 30 of the 50 girls who were "underage" are actually adults. hell one was 27!

Also some of the girls they claim to be pregnant have/are not pregnant.


they still have the issue of if the raid was even legal.

its starting look like that teh state over reached its authority and are paying for it. Where if they did a real investigation it would have actually helped the kids. now its causing more harm then good.

i suspect when all is said and done the state is going ot get sued and pay out lots to them.

 

[Genx87]

Gee what a surprise. The Texas state govt went overboard based off a false allegation, tried to find something to justify their invasion, and are now being smacked down like they should.

Lets learn another lesson from this.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor
Does this mean they only should have taken the underage girls who were old enough to reproduce so they wouldn't be raped by older male members?

even that is comeing under fire. something like 30 of the 50 girls who were "underage" are actually adults. hell one was 27!

Also some of the girls they claim to be pregnant have/are not pregnant.


they still have the issue of if the raid was even legal.

its starting look like that teh state over reached its authority and are paying for it. Where if they did a real investigation it would have actually helped the kids. now its causing more harm then good.

i suspect when all is said and done the state is going ot get sued and pay out lots to them.

LINK <=== I'm basing my comments off of that and it is nearly a month old.

TBH I haven't read more on the story since then. If that article is accurate and there are pregnant underage women then IMO the raid was justified. If not then they're going to be in hot water for it.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor
Does this mean they only should have taken the underage girls who were old enough to reproduce so they wouldn't be raped by older male members?

even that is comeing under fire. something like 30 of the 50 girls who were "underage" are actually adults. hell one was 27!

Also some of the girls they claim to be pregnant have/are not pregnant.


they still have the issue of if the raid was even legal.

its starting look like that teh state over reached its authority and are paying for it. Where if they did a real investigation it would have actually helped the kids. now its causing more harm then good.

i suspect when all is said and done the state is going ot get sued and pay out lots to them.

LINK <=== I'm basing my comments off of that and it is nearly a month old.

TBH I haven't read more on the story since then. If that article is accurate and there are pregnant underage women then IMO the raid was justified. If not then they're going to be in hot water for it.

I didn't realize the guilt of a few led to the punishment of the whole.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor
Does this mean they only should have taken the underage girls who were old enough to reproduce so they wouldn't be raped by older male members?

even that is comeing under fire. something like 30 of the 50 girls who were "underage" are actually adults. hell one was 27!

Also some of the girls they claim to be pregnant have/are not pregnant.


they still have the issue of if the raid was even legal.

its starting look like that teh state over reached its authority and are paying for it. Where if they did a real investigation it would have actually helped the kids. now its causing more harm then good.

i suspect when all is said and done the state is going ot get sued and pay out lots to them.

LINK <=== I'm basing my comments off of that and it is nearly a month old.

TBH I haven't read more on the story since then. If that article is accurate and there are pregnant underage women then IMO the raid was justified. If not then they're going to be in hot water for it.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...ymay21,0,6127469.story

SAN ANGELO, Texas ? As five judges continued custody hearings Tuesday for children seized from a polygamous sect, Texas welfare officials acknowledged that three more young mothers in custody are 18 or older.

That means the state has no more than 24 underage mothers, not 31, as officials initially said. About 20 others may still be reclassified. Hearings for more than 460 children entered their second day at the Tom Green County courthouse

just one.

so many of the "underage" girls they kidnapped are adults. that opens them up to more lawsuits.

as i have said from the start. teh state should have done a real investigation BEFORE they raided.

not to mention EVEN if there are a few that are underage adn pregnant you can't punish them all.

this was a clusterfuck. the state is going to be paying out for a long time on this fuck up.

 

[Socio]

Looks like they will be getting the kids back

Court: Texas wrongly seized sect children

SAN ANGELO, Texas - A Texas appeals court said Thursday that the state had no right to take more than 400 children from a polygamist sect's ranch, a ruling that could unravel one of the biggest child-custody cases in U.S. history.

The appeals court also said the state was wrong to consider the entire ranch as an individual household and that any abuse claims could apply only to individual households.

That should be enough to get every charge brought forth to date overturned including any pedophilia charges. It should also make it much safer for these perverts to impregnate 13 year olds and brainwash the women in to what could be construed as form slavery because any future prosecution will surely be difficult if not impossible.

 

[lupi]

Damn that probable cause crap!

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor
Does this mean they only should have taken the underage girls who were old enough to reproduce so they wouldn't be raped by older male members?

even that is comeing under fire. something like 30 of the 50 girls who were "underage" are actually adults. hell one was 27!

Also some of the girls they claim to be pregnant have/are not pregnant.


they still have the issue of if the raid was even legal.

its starting look like that teh state over reached its authority and are paying for it. Where if they did a real investigation it would have actually helped the kids. now its causing more harm then good.

i suspect when all is said and done the state is going ot get sued and pay out lots to them.

LINK <=== I'm basing my comments off of that and it is nearly a month old.

TBH I haven't read more on the story since then. If that article is accurate and there are pregnant underage women then IMO the raid was justified. If not then they're going to be in hot water for it.

I didn't realize the guilt of a few led to the punishment of the whole.

It sounds to me like this community accepted this practice. How are pedos normally treated in everyday society?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor
Does this mean they only should have taken the underage girls who were old enough to reproduce so they wouldn't be raped by older male members?

even that is comeing under fire. something like 30 of the 50 girls who were "underage" are actually adults. hell one was 27!

Also some of the girls they claim to be pregnant have/are not pregnant.


they still have the issue of if the raid was even legal.

its starting look like that teh state over reached its authority and are paying for it. Where if they did a real investigation it would have actually helped the kids. now its causing more harm then good.

i suspect when all is said and done the state is going ot get sued and pay out lots to them.

LINK <=== I'm basing my comments off of that and it is nearly a month old.

TBH I haven't read more on the story since then. If that article is accurate and there are pregnant underage women then IMO the raid was justified. If not then they're going to be in hot water for it.

I didn't realize the guilt of a few led to the punishment of the whole.

It sounds to me like this community accepted this practice. How are pedos normally treated in everyday society?

no matter how disgusting and immoral the practice is the cops still need to fallow the law.

i hope the men who are "merrying" the girls die horrible horrible deaths and pay in heal for what they have done.

but i also want them to get busted adn investigated within the law.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: waggy
http://www.chicagotribune.com/...ymay21,0,6127469.story

SAN ANGELO, Texas ? As five judges continued custody hearings Tuesday for children seized from a polygamous sect, Texas welfare officials acknowledged that three more young mothers in custody are 18 or older.

That means the state has no more than 24 underage mothers, not 31, as officials initially said. About 20 others may still be reclassified. Hearings for more than 460 children entered their second day at the Tom Green County courthouse

just one.

so many of the "underage" girls they kidnapped are adults. that opens them up to more lawsuits.

as i have said from the start. teh state should have done a real investigation BEFORE they raided.

not to mention EVEN if there are a few that are underage adn pregnant you can't punish them all.

this was a clusterfuck. the state is going to be paying out for a long time on this fuck up.

I read that story as there are still possibly 24 underage mothers. How many does there have to be to confirm abuse? If there was abuse going on was it condoned by the members? This seems like a small tight-knit community where it would be difficult to hide pregnant minors.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Robor
Does this mean they only should have taken the underage girls who were old enough to reproduce so they wouldn't be raped by older male members?

even that is comeing under fire. something like 30 of the 50 girls who were "underage" are actually adults. hell one was 27!

Also some of the girls they claim to be pregnant have/are not pregnant.


they still have the issue of if the raid was even legal.

its starting look like that teh state over reached its authority and are paying for it. Where if they did a real investigation it would have actually helped the kids. now its causing more harm then good.

i suspect when all is said and done the state is going ot get sued and pay out lots to them.

LINK <=== I'm basing my comments off of that and it is nearly a month old.

TBH I haven't read more on the story since then. If that article is accurate and there are pregnant underage women then IMO the raid was justified. If not then they're going to be in hot water for it.

I didn't realize the guilt of a few led to the punishment of the whole.

It sounds to me like this community accepted this practice. How are pedos normally treated in everyday society?

Wow.. so the witch hunt is starting to crumble.. but yet we still have some echos of "pedos" being whisphers as a parting shot among some of the village simpleton who stubbornly refuse to give up their pitch forks and torches... Will the feds even find one case of child abuse out of this whole mess? Probably not..

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: waggy
http://www.chicagotribune.com/...ymay21,0,6127469.story

SAN ANGELO, Texas ? As five judges continued custody hearings Tuesday for children seized from a polygamous sect, Texas welfare officials acknowledged that three more young mothers in custody are 18 or older.

That means the state has no more than 24 underage mothers, not 31, as officials initially said. About 20 others may still be reclassified. Hearings for more than 460 children entered their second day at the Tom Green County courthouse

just one.

so many of the "underage" girls they kidnapped are adults. that opens them up to more lawsuits.

as i have said from the start. teh state should have done a real investigation BEFORE they raided.

not to mention EVEN if there are a few that are underage adn pregnant you can't punish them all.

this was a clusterfuck. the state is going to be paying out for a long time on this fuck up.

I read that story as there are still possibly 24 underage mothers. How many does there have to be to confirm abuse? If there was abuse going on was it condoned by the members? This seems like a small tight-knit community where it would be difficult to hide pregnant minors.

I understand what you are saying. But on the flip side one needs to prove the allegation. I could go down to the local public school and probably find 24 under aged mothers. Should we yank every kid in the school away from their parents because it is possible a few of them had sex with an adult?

 

[OutHouse]

GOOD! i was saying this all along. I hope texas gets the living shit sued out of them for rights violations.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/n...05-21-1190589243_x.htm

Texas seizure of polygamist-sect kids thrown out

SAN ANGELO, Texas ? In a ruling that could torpedo the case against the West Texas polygamist sect, a state appeals court Thursday said authorities had no right to seize more than 440 children in a raid on the splinter group's compound last month.

The Third Court of Appeals in Austin said the state failed to show the youngsters were in any immediate danger, the only grounds in Texas law for taking children from their parents without court action.