I thought they found underage pregnancies? If that (bolded) is the case then I'll agree with you that it's possible a raid was not warranted. However, if it's common practice for young girls to be married older men against their will that would do it for me.
BeauJangles
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Not according to the laws of the United States. Agree or disagree with the validity of the law, polygamy is illegal.
Larry King Live Interview (video):
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/vid...kl.inside.polygamy.cnn
More information is being revealed. After looking at some other info and researching this subject it seems like the women and children are first brainwashed from birth to accept this lifestyle. It looks like the longer men practice this polygamy lifestyle the more it becomes twisted and evil and the less rights women and children have. It is like these FLDS groups are from another planet.
It is thought that possible the person who made the call may be someone who escaped the ranch. The law in the USA is what allows these people to hide what they are doing. Private ownership of land privacy laws only enable this kind of behaviour.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/vid...kl.inside.polygamy.cnn
More information is being revealed. After looking at some other info and researching this subject it seems like the women and children are first brainwashed from birth to accept this lifestyle. It looks like the longer men practice this polygamy lifestyle the more it becomes twisted and evil and the less rights women and children have. It is like these FLDS groups are from another planet.
It is thought that possible the person who made the call may be someone who escaped the ranch. The law in the USA is what allows these people to hide what they are doing. Private ownership of land privacy laws only enable this kind of behaviour.
waggy
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- Dec 14, 2000
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unless something has changed from last night (havent watched TV or read any news sites yet). they had not found ANY pregnant underage girls.
while yes i agree forcing young girls to marry older men is sickening its not a cause to take the children away from the mothers.
There are reports that the people in charge of the raid even lied ot the mothers.
When someone disagrees with you, just say they are "brain washed" and that they require going to "re-education" camps and have their kids taken away.. How many societies have used that line of thinking before (hint: cambodia under pol pot, communist china under mao, soviet union under stalin, etc...)
When people start bringing out the "brain wash" card out, it usually means they no longer have any valid arguments left.
No proof of wrong doing even after 4 years of investigation... but still the witch hunt and broken families continues...
OrByte
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Anytime a minor makes the type of complaint that the investigators recieved from the missing 16 year old then They HAVE to act upon it. That is the risk we assume whenever a cry for help is made from any child.
And I still think that your definition of "family" does not fit this case. The investigators cannot sort out the "families" and therefore the process is slowed down.
If it comes out that the allegations were completely false then I'll agree it was wrong to raid them and separate their families. That said, I think once all the facts are out the raid will have been warranted.
OrByte
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one other point.
It does not bother me that all the children were taken away. Without a doubt those children that can be released to go back to their families will be released, after an investigation.
But this is like a shark swimming in the waters with the guppies...you dont take some of the guppies out of the water while the shark is still out there.
You either remove all the guppies or you take out the shark.
With the type of polygimist environment the investigators are faced with I don't think they have much of a choice. Can you imagine if they only went in there and removed the one teenager that complained and left the other children there? they would still be exposed to the sharks! and probably some pissed off sharks at that!!
that wouldnt be right imho.
It does not bother me that all the children were taken away. Without a doubt those children that can be released to go back to their families will be released, after an investigation.
But this is like a shark swimming in the waters with the guppies...you dont take some of the guppies out of the water while the shark is still out there.
You either remove all the guppies or you take out the shark.
With the type of polygimist environment the investigators are faced with I don't think they have much of a choice. Can you imagine if they only went in there and removed the one teenager that complained and left the other children there? they would still be exposed to the sharks! and probably some pissed off sharks at that!!
that wouldnt be right imho.
If what I heard on the news yesterday true and there are 16-17 year olds with 4 children already the raid was warranted.
Actually preagnant 12 year olds show up at the hospital preagnant now, in every large metropolitan area. So this is not that big of a deal. The problem is that not much actual news about this case is being published or released by officials in Texas. This must mean that they did not have any real evidence or they have completely botched this case from the get go without any prior planning of how they were going to proceed. Seems like they just barged in there with guns and now they expect the courts to solve their problems. This is a complex case and the way that child services is set up they are not prepared with a method they can use to address the legal issues. Normally Child Services needs to investigate about what is going on before they can bring a case. One of the things that appears to be happening is that this group has a kind of hive mentality and they back each other up, and they all work together to hide evidence and protect their way of life. So it will not be easy to bring a case against them. The FLDS people have legal rights also and the system makes it easy for them to hide behind the law.
The minor problem is who made the complaint? The complaint only justified removing the children from one family unit according to the law. So something else really wierd must be going on that they are not exactly explaining. This is confusing the public.
The minor problem is who made the complaint? The complaint only justified removing the children from one family unit according to the law. So something else really wierd must be going on that they are not exactly explaining. This is confusing the public.
The media has a tendency to sensationalize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2...iversity_lacrosse_case, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley) regardless of the truth. What I don't understand is that if there are 16-17 year olds with 4 children, why don't they charge somebody with something? Isn't that proof enough? But yet, the government leaves the public with no information and basically charge no one -- leaving the "perpetrators" (if there are any) to go free to "abuse" other children while at the same time, the government continues to rip families apart.
I call shens on the whole raid!!! 4 years and no proof... but yet, only now are they breaking families apart because of "eminent" danger. Why didn't they do this 4 years ago? How come "little Tommy" is in danger now and not 4 years ago. This whole raid is a charade. This is not about protecting kids, its about justifying an unjustifiable raid.. In all likelihood, the only people who will be hurt here are the kids and their families as the government tries to cover their assesss.
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