I'd agree it's an insult to all working Americans. She thinks she's qualified to be a senator, a select group of powerful leaders simply because she happens to be born with a certain family name. She's a completely unqualified idiot.
mugs
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The same millions of hard working New Yorkers who elected Hillary Clinton? :laugh:
Having experience holding a political office does not make Palin more qualified. I'd take Kennedy's non-political experience over Palin's proud-to-be-clueless attitude any day.
Except that she doesn't 'simply have a name'. A lot comes with the name in her case. The ignorant one here is you, for saying that when you don't have the information.
You know, the same thing was said about her father, John Kennedy. The youngest man to serve as president, he was some upstart silver spoon kid who had nothing but his father's name and money. Who the hell did he think he was? He was opposed partly for reasons like these by senior party people like Eleanor Roosevelt and Harry Truman - contrasting even more by succeeding the then-oldest president to ever serve who had vast 'experience' as the commander in chief in WWII.
Yet in my view and the view of many JFK was one of our strongest presidents ever in terms of his agenda and positions on issues, despite being 'just some kid with a rich father'.
Now, something you might not know are things like how JFK spent the four years before the election travelling all around the country to all 50 states, listening and building support.
That had not been done. His campaign was one that helped shift our presidential elections away from back-room deals to the primary-dominated process they are today, as he did an end run around the party bosses by running primary campaigns to force their hands, which worked.
Yes, Caroline Kennedy has a famous political name. You know that - and you know little more, it appears, from your comments, but instead of learning the facts before you post, you rush to post how there is no more to her. What does that say about you, not her? You call her an "idiot" - she has co-written among other things fine book on the topic of our constitutional rights, such as on the vague but critical right to privacy. If she is an 'idiot' for that, what does that make you who have not published such things?
What do you know of her understanding her father's political values and legacy that are so treausured by so many, and her desire to promote those values? Nothing?
Then consider the actual 'idiots' in the Senate you don't object to here, while you object to her. She is worse than the Tom Coburns, the Richard Shelbys fighting for the profits of foreign auto makers today? You offer nothing but an unimformed and simplistic and even childish attack on her, and you say she is an idiot.
One more example - Ted Kennedy was another 'nothing but a rich kid' who got a Senate seat on nothing more than his bother being president. Yet he is one of the most respected Senators by his peers - they say how he's put the hard work in and been willing to let others get the credit which has made him one of the most effective people in the Senate. You might not like his politics, or his personal behavior such as at Chappaquiddick, but he's a far better Senator than the 'president's brother' assumption would suggest. Even his well-respected brothers John and Bobby had to recognize Ted was the better Senator than they had been.
You should get informed before you say things you don't know about her qualifications.
Is having sat in the House of Representatives for a while such a guarantee of quality in a Senator? Tell it to Hillary, who she would replace.
Define irony: you put down someone else's comments because they offer no substantial facts for stating their opinion (which I believe anyone...even you...is fully entitled) yet in your response you fail to point out what qualifications she possesses that should garner her this appointment. I mean she even admits she hardly voted during her residency in New York yet she wants to all of the sudden take an active roll in government?
Also to quote oneself in one's signature smacks of arrogance but I digress...
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Bottom line, rich, poor, prominent, or a nobody, Caroline has thrown her hat into the ring, which is the coequal right of every New York State citizen otherwise meeting Senate qualifications.
Don't be outraged, throw your hat into the ring, not a New York resident meeting Senate qualifications, then STFU, because you have no legitimate input.
You are not the decider, the sitting New York Governor is, like I said, get over it. Take your bitches to the sitting New York Governor if you are unhappy about the decision that is yet to be made.
If you are GOP and unhappy, then you are trolling, the GOP forgot to win the NY Governor position even if the LT. Governor succeeded Spitzer in a sex scandal. R's need not apply and are wasting their time if they do.
Besides, Hillary Clinton is not confirmed as Sec of State yet, until then, she somewhat can claim to be still be a New Senator even if she resigned her position on expectation of that Senate conformation.
Don't be outraged, throw your hat into the ring, not a New York resident meeting Senate qualifications, then STFU, because you have no legitimate input.
You are not the decider, the sitting New York Governor is, like I said, get over it. Take your bitches to the sitting New York Governor if you are unhappy about the decision that is yet to be made.
If you are GOP and unhappy, then you are trolling, the GOP forgot to win the NY Governor position even if the LT. Governor succeeded Spitzer in a sex scandal. R's need not apply and are wasting their time if they do.
Besides, Hillary Clinton is not confirmed as Sec of State yet, until then, she somewhat can claim to be still be a New Senator even if she resigned her position on expectation of that Senate conformation.
mugs
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If we applied this standard to everything, there would be no discussion in P&N. Actually, I think you're onto something here...
But wait - I noticed that you've commented on the Minnesota senate race AND Obama's replacement in Illinois. So are you Al Franken or Norm Coleman, and how are do you meet the qualifications to be a senator from both Minnesota and Illinois?
Here's another good standard that should be applied to all P&N discussions. Hey, the republicans also forgot to win the presidency, so I guess they can't complain about anything for the next 4 years! Just like none of the democrats have complained about anything for the last 8 years. :laugh:
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I'd make a great senator. At least I can recognize the root of the nation's economic problems and I wouldn't be handicapped by political correctness. I grew up in a middle class family and can empathize with the working class, and I believe in putting Americans' first. Vote Whippersnapper for U.S. Senator!
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Mugs has a minor point but misses the point by pointing out, " But wait - I noticed that you've commented on the Minnesota senate race AND Obama's replacement in Illinois. So are you Al Franken or Norm Coleman, and how are do you meet the qualifications to be a senator from both Minnesota and Illinois.
But Mugs is comparing apples to oranges and the standards are quite different. (1) In Minnesota, the sitting Governor is not the decider, the question revolve around how the votes are counted. (2) In Illinois,
like New York, the State constitution makes the Governor the decider, but Blogojevich has been arrested and charged with corruption for selling the office, and hence the Governor should not be the decider. But in terms of Burris himself, he might be a fine and qualified choice, but anyone appointed by Blago will not see either Illinois or national US Senate acceptance.
And new York, all the bitching seems centered on a phony outrage at Caroline throwing her hat into the ring as a candidate, or the even more dubious charge that she is in no way qualified as those latter folks seem to ignore some very political books she has written.
But Mugs is comparing apples to oranges and the standards are quite different. (1) In Minnesota, the sitting Governor is not the decider, the question revolve around how the votes are counted. (2) In Illinois,
like New York, the State constitution makes the Governor the decider, but Blogojevich has been arrested and charged with corruption for selling the office, and hence the Governor should not be the decider. But in terms of Burris himself, he might be a fine and qualified choice, but anyone appointed by Blago will not see either Illinois or national US Senate acceptance.
And new York, all the bitching seems centered on a phony outrage at Caroline throwing her hat into the ring as a candidate, or the even more dubious charge that she is in no way qualified as those latter folks seem to ignore some very political books she has written.
I for one do not care if she has not been in politics her whole life. Clearly we have seen any moron can win a Senate seat with a little money and asskissery.
What bugs me is what bugged me about our sitting president. I expect someone at this level of politics to be able to handle oneself in front of the camera without a teleprompter. And if you have watched any of her recent interviews she may be a worse off the cuff speaker than either George W or Obama.
Flame on.
What bugs me is what bugged me about our sitting president. I expect someone at this level of politics to be able to handle oneself in front of the camera without a teleprompter. And if you have watched any of her recent interviews she may be a worse off the cuff speaker than either George W or Obama.
Flame on.
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Perhaps the defect in the Kyle xy argument is that the skill set of a Senator is not in their rapier like wit in Rhetoric. When in fact, the US Senate has 100 of these characters, that basically work collectively using a committee type structure. Most of the grunt work is done by Staff members, but sitting on the top of the food chain are the Senators, because only those special 100 have a vote that will still basically mean nothing unless they can bring at least 50 of their fellow Senators to vote their way.
But on the other hand, kyle xy has a point, when it comes to run for election and go forth to debate on television, good public speaking is a must. And given the fact that Caroline has not quite met expectation in that area may be a Consideration that causes the New York Governor to appoint someone else.
But on the other hand, kyle xy has a point, when it comes to run for election and go forth to debate on television, good public speaking is a must. And given the fact that Caroline has not quite met expectation in that area may be a Consideration that causes the New York Governor to appoint someone else.
in 2 years, whoever gets picked for the senate seat is going to have to run for reelection... giving the seat to someone that isn't widely supported by the people, who's demonstrated an inability to master interviews, and who's never run for an office in their life seems like not a great idea as opposed to someone like Andrew Cuomo, who served in Bill Clinton's cabinet and won his election as AG 2 years ago with 20% of the vote.
Between this woman and Cuomo's son as the other front-runner, it seems New Yorkers are very committed to creating political families. I would guess there would be just the opposite reaction after this administration.
LOL. Your entire repsonse did not list a single thing that qualifies her for being a senator, unless you count writing a book as a qualification, in which case I'm also qualified. That's pretty sad when the best reason you can come up with for her being "qualified" is that she has a good understanding of her father's political values. hahahahaha. I think you pretty much destroyed any semblance of a rational argument as to why she should be a senator. She's obviously not qualified, but that might not stop the governor. No matter how you try to spin it, if she becomes a senator despite having no qualifications whatsoever, it's simply because of her name. If her name was "Johnson" instead of "Kennedy", the thought of her becoming the senator would be laugable.
How much is she willing to pay for the seat? That seems to be about all the democrat criminals in congress are interested in these days.
Oh I agree with your statement in most cases. I just meant to point this out with all of these politicians getting positions primarily on name recognition, i.e. George W., any Kennedy, Clinton, etc. No one in these families needs any qualification but I expect them to put on a good front and make me feel someone confident that they don't just go home and bat around a ball of yarn before taking a nap.
My issue isn't really with her -- I don't know much about her, but based on Craig's post above she appears to be extremely unqualified. My beef is with the fact that because of her name, all she has to do is say she wants to be a senator, and voila, just because her name is "Kennedy".
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The PokerGuy lack of logic is almost wholly contaned her with "LOL. Your entire repsonse did not list a single thing that qualifies her for being a senator, unless you count writing a book as a qualification, in which case I'm also qualified."
Ok, so you wrote a book, she wrote a book, you may be both equally qualified in your own mind, but at the end of the day, your logic stinks, you are in a distinct minority, she threw her hat in the ring and you did not, and Caroline may or may not get the appointment from the New York Governor.
Get over it PokerGuy, you ain't the decider, and in a game where high hand wins, you have the lowest hand in existence, a 2, 3, 4, 6,7, maybe a world beater in a game of low, but other wise, anything beats your nothing. Notice I missed the ace, I sure would not you to have the option of declaring it high or low at your illogical convince.
Ok, so you wrote a book, she wrote a book, you may be both equally qualified in your own mind, but at the end of the day, your logic stinks, you are in a distinct minority, she threw her hat in the ring and you did not, and Caroline may or may not get the appointment from the New York Governor.
Get over it PokerGuy, you ain't the decider, and in a game where high hand wins, you have the lowest hand in existence, a 2, 3, 4, 6,7, maybe a world beater in a game of low, but other wise, anything beats your nothing. Notice I missed the ace, I sure would not you to have the option of declaring it high or low at your illogical convince.
Idiot, one Democratic Governor was a criminal trying to sell the seat. The Democrats in Congress are supporting his arrest and refusing to seat his nominee.
what does throwing her hat in the ring have to do with anything?
Fran Drescher threw her hat into the same ring and I'd be damned hard-pressed to call her qualified to serve as a US Senator.
and if we were only allowed to talk about things we could have a direct influence on, P&N would be a ghost town.
Fran Drescher threw her hat into the same ring and I'd be damned hard-pressed to call her qualified to serve as a US Senator.
and if we were only allowed to talk about things we could have a direct influence on, P&N would be a ghost town.
That's because you're treating all 'political families' the same.
The Kennedys have given us several major figures; the Bushes have given us several creeps.
Family culture has something to do with that - the Kennedys were raised in a 'noblesse oblige' sort of culture by a father who had done some unscrupulous things and raised his children to be public servants, much the way other unscrupulous people did charitable things (from the founding of universities like Stanford to the funding of the Nobel Prize), while the Bush family has long been about unscrupulous pursuit of wealth by 'selling out' IMO.
Do you want Neil the Savings and Loan scammer (who defaulted on a $200 million loan, bringing down the bank that got a taxpayer bailout), or George the guy who ran businesses into the ground before trading on insider stock information, or Jeb the guy who stole the 2000 Florida election for his brother and defaulted on a $5 million business loan at taxpayer expense or lobbied for and got $1 billion in Medicare funding for an HMO whose CEO was then charged with Medicare fraud (and was linked to the mafia and CIA and contras), or Marvin the investment banker who has horse gambling issues?
Or maybe you mean the grandfather who had his bank seized byt the US government for his efforts on behalf of Nazi Germany's leadership?
Or maybe you mean the father who accepted some of the sleaziest jobs in the nation, from heading the Republican National Committee during Watergate when no one would want it, to directing the CIA right when its abuses were becoming clear because Nixon knew Bush was a total company man who would put party loyalty ahead of country - before he was heavily involved in the Iran Contra crimes?
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